Alcohol/anxiety treatment?

[wump]

I have been a little too hard on the liquor lately. I keep waking up with anxiety and severe shortness of breath which only goes away after drinking alcohol. Anyone know any good doctors? I'm a bit reluctant to go to Bangkok Hospital due to the overcharging... It's not so much about the money, I just want to get a proper diagnosis. Any help is sincerely appreciated.

Edited May 20, 2017 by wump

[moonseeker]

Hi there:

 

The fact that you are facing your problem and are asking for advise is already a first step and fantastic. I have never touched alcohol, but seen what it can do to you in my night-clubs and here in Pattaya especially :-) 

I believe there is a AA group in Pattaya, google it. Certainly there is one in Thailand. I hope others with better info come forward to support you. I feel, you might control the habit yourself: intelligence and will  and admission are the first steps. You have done that.

I wish you all the best and fast recovery!  MS>

 

On second thought, you might contact Sheryl below, she is very competent medically and might have some more advise.

 

https://www.thaivisa.com/forum/profile/14639-sheryl/

Edited May 20, 2017 by moonseeker

[wump]

Thanks for your reply but I'm sure alcohol is not the problem. It's the anxiety that's killing me. Of course, drinking is 90% responsible for it, but I won't stop the cycle until I get proper treatment.

[Chivas]

Been there got the ticket when I had serious problems in the past.....need a tapering off dose of diazapam and when the alcohol withdrawal symptons are gone (because thats what it is) have a rethink why you're hitting the booze so much in the first place

I could have written that OP myself and what we did to address it

 

I used to drink a 3 litre bottle of 8% cider in literally minutes to kill the anxiety when in reality it was the booze not anxiety that was the problem, and then topped up with 6 more litres over course of a day

Edited May 20, 2017 by Chivas

[wump]

18 minutes ago, moonseeker said:

 

 

On second thought, you might contact Sheryl below, she is very competent medically and might have some more advise.

 

https://www.thaivisa.com/forum/profile/14639-sheryl/

I hope Sheryl does reply, her advice is usually excellent.

Edited May 20, 2017 by wump

[wump]

2 minutes ago, Chivas said:

Been there got the ticket when I had serious problems in the past.....need a tapering off dose of diazapam and when the alcohol withdrawal symptons are gone (because thats what it is) have a rethink why you're hitting the booze so much in the first place

I could have written that OP myself and what we did to address it

I got a couple of Valiums in here but right now it's much worse than in the past. I am not sure if I can do it myself.

 

Where does the shortness of breath come from? Only from me hyperventilating?

[digbeth]

There's a listing of AA type meetings in the local papers like Pattaya Mail, saw a posting for over eater groups that meets behind restaurant that serves great pizza... 

[Chivas]

4 minutes ago, wump said:

I got a couple of Valiums in here but right now it's much worse than in the past. I am not sure if I can do it myself.

 

Where does the shortness of breath come from? Only from me hyperventilating?

almost certainly yes.....you're caught in a vicious circle currently and you'll not knock off the booze without meds at this point. I learnt the hard way with meds you'll be off the booze in 7 days no issue

you're probably boozing to enable you to sleep as well...??

Edited May 20, 2017 by Chivas

[wump]

I really don't have any alcohol problem. The problem is anxiety which needs to go away. Give me millions of Valiums or a bottle of gin or cocaine or whatever.. But I'd rather get to the source of the problem which is why I asked for a therapist.

Edited May 20, 2017 by wump

[wump]

Thank you guys for being so supportive. I'm sure I can do it but I never been there before.

[Chivas]

1 minute ago, wump said:

I really don't have any alcohol problem. The problem is anxiety which needs to go away. Give me millions of Valiums or a bottle of gin or cocaine or whatever.. But I'd rather get to the source of the problem of it which is why I asked for a therapist.

yes but you cant gulp valium/diazapam indefinately and not taper them off or you'll end up wobbling even more from withdrawal symptoms

[Chivas]

1 minute ago, wump said:

Thank you guys for being so supportive. I'm sure I can do it but I never been there before.

go up pattaya memorial its not too expensive for just a consultation

[wump]

13 minutes ago, Chivas said:

yes but you cant gulp valium/diazapam indefinately and not taper them off or you'll end up wobbling even more from withdrawal symptoms

The valiums only help so far... I need to get to the root of the problem.

Edited May 20, 2017 by wump

[wump]

4 minutes ago, Chivas said:

go up pattaya memorial its not too expensive for just a consultation

 

Had a bad experience there.... not too keen on it.

[daveAustin]

Op, may I suggest reading The Power of Now, Eckhart Tolle, along with any treatment you receive.

 

All the best. 

[wump]

Eckhart Tolle is excellent. I have to admit I have not been taken care of my mental advancement lately. Thank you for the tip.

Edited May 20, 2017 by wump

[swissie]

I hear the word anxiety. Alarm bells are starting to ring!

Half of the so called "Alcoholics" have no physical dependency concerning alcohol. Actually most don't even like the taste of alcohol.

There is a segment of the populace, that finds it hard to live in a cold, unforgiving "dog eat dog world". In other words, to them, the world "sucks". Alcohol will detach them from this world that "sucks", called reality.= The world becomes not better, but at least "bearable".

Sensitive people are mostly affected by this sort of pseudo-alcoholism.

Unfortunately, to this very day, modern medical science refuses to differentiate between physical dependency and mental alcohol dependancy. A boozer is a boozer, period.

Returning to the OP's problem, involving "anxiety", a standart "anti- alcohol- therapy" is unlikely to remedy the problem.
IMO: The "anxiety" problem would have to be addressed beforehand. Trying to extrapolite where those "anxiety-attacks" come from.
Cheers. 

[carlyai]

Hello,

I had a workplace accident where the incorrectly constructed scaffolding collapsed, leaving me with serious back injuries.

I had many back operations, and eventually was on lots of prescribed medicine.

I had anxiety, and waking up not being able to breath and my heart racing.

I went cold turkey on all the drugs and worked with a good clinical phycologist and practiced self hypnosis to control the pain.

It is that bloody valium that caused anxiety, heart racing, cold sweats, can't breath etc.

To my mind you've got to stop the valium. You do come out the other end.

You need someone's help, and although I haven't been there, I have enquired with Robert about getting my son into the rehab centre. He had an Ice problem.

Give Robert a call and have a look at the website.

"Best regards Robert Cook Director SafeHouse Rehab Center Eastern Seaboard Thailand
Email: [email protected] Tel No: 0066 917 399536
 

 

Website: SafeHouse Rehab Center Thailand"




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[wump]

I only took the Valium when I had to drive for 12 hours straight (and couldn't drink) one week ago. Thinking about it, that's only when the real anxiety started. Coincidence?

[carlyai]

Anxiety is a horrible thing, but with people to help, no drugs or drink, plenty of exercise, and meditation, you get through it and come out the other side.


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[Sheryl]

Alcohol abuse i(and for that matter drug abuse) is often the result of an attempt to self medicate an underlying mood disorder (anxiety and/or depression).

 

You are ahead of the curve in that you already recognize the anxiety.

 

To manage it appropriately you need a combination of short-term therapy (counselling) and, probably, medications - the right type, non-addictive.

 

You would do best to come in to Bangkok for this. I recommend the following doctor and the following place for counselling:

 

1- Doctor (specialist in addiction and mood disorders, will help you get off the booze and get the anxiety down to tolerable level)  https://www.bumrungrad.com/doctors/Pichai-Saengcharnchai

 

2 - Counselling  http://www.psiadmin.com/  

Ben Weinstein is especially good

 

The shortness of breath could indeed be anxiety but if you have not had a complete check up in say the past year it would be wise to get one just to be sure there isn't an underlying physical problem. You can do that at virtually any hospital.  Make sure it includes a stress test.

 

[wump]

Thanks a lot for your reply. May I ask: If the shortness of breath is completely gone when drinking, could it still be a physical problem?

Edited May 21, 2017 by wump

[wump]

10 hours ago, swissie said:

I hear the word anxiety. Alarm bells are starting to ring!

Half of the so called "Alcoholics" have no physical dependency concerning alcohol. Actually most don't even like the taste of alcohol.

There is a segment of the populace, that finds it hard to live in a cold, unforgiving "dog eat dog world". In other words, to them, the world "sucks". Alcohol will detach them from this world that "sucks", called reality.= The world becomes not better, but at least "bearable".

Sensitive people are mostly affected by this sort of pseudo-alcoholism.

Unfortunately, to this very day, modern medical science refuses to differentiate between physical dependency and mental alcohol dependancy. A boozer is a boozer, period.

Returning to the OP's problem, involving "anxiety", a standart "anti- alcohol- therapy" is unlikely to remedy the problem.
IMO: The "anxiety" problem would have to be addressed beforehand. Trying to extrapolite where those "anxiety-attacks" come from.
Cheers. 

 

Bloody hell, that's my soul in a nutshell  .. no kidding.

[Sheryl]

31 minutes ago, wump said:

Thanks a lot for your reply. May I ask: If the shortness of breath is completely gone when drinking, could it still be a physical problem?

 

It is possible, since alcohol dulls sensations. More likeley the shortness of breadth is due to anxiety, even a panic attack. But it would be safest to rule out an underlying  physical problem.

 

 

[nitrogen987654321]

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Edited June 4, 2017 by nitrogen987654321

[nitrogen987654321]

Guys!! I need an explanation on this topic, I'll tell my story. And I want to ask you advice. I do not drink chronocally. Everyone month (average), I drink around 6 or so beers, fast. And this is not the first time I've read on the Internet, mainly on the site gynecomastiapro ,  that  drinking alcohol can lead to gynecomastia. Im still confused on how and why. Do they mean alcohol mimiks etrogen when it is in the body? What are the causes of gynecomastia?

Edited June 4, 2017 by nitrogen987654321

[wump]

Of course beer leads to large breasts. But certainly not from 6 beers.

 

To update the op: I've had a major nervous breakdown and spent a night in hospital and didn't drink for a week at all. Afterwards I kind of got back nearly to the usual level. I am going back home in a week or so and since I don't drink back home I am trying to stock up on the Valium. Kinda expensive (500 Baht vs 150 Baht earlier) but I am sure it will help with the withdrawal symptoms (which in my experience are gone by day 5 anyway). The nervous breakdown actually made me realize what the real problem was/is, so maybe I can finally lead a normal life.

 

Anyone not having a panic/anxiety disorder just can't imagine just how lucky they are sitting around and doing nothing and not thinking they are dying. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

[howard ashoul]

On 2017-6-5 at 5:24 AM, nitrogen987654321 said:

Guys!! I need an explanation on this topic, I'll tell my story. And I want to ask you advice. I do not drink chronocally. Everyone month (average), I drink around 6 or so beers, fast. And this is not the first time I've read on the Internet, mainly on the site gynecomastiapro ,  that  drinking alcohol can lead to gynecomastia. Im still confused on how and why. Do they mean alcohol mimiks etrogen when it is in the body? What are the causes of gynecomastia?

On average drinking level, beer contains subtances, that causes breast to grow. But because they are not powerful and you're drinking just a small ammouts, it's not a problem.

 

If you start drinking heavily, you will overload your livers (I'm not even talking about cirhosis, just overhelm them with work, just 3 days on a row). As a result livers will start releasing toxins, that are very very very similar to women hormone estrogen.

 

At that point you will lose libido, you will go bald your breast will start to grow. As soon as you will give a rest to livers, it will stop. But It won't undo efects that aready happend. These toxins (fake estrogen) is just a symptom of a tired livers... .

Edited June 14, 2017 by howard ashoul

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