Trump blasts states for refusing to hand over voter data

[heybruce]

5 hours ago, funandsuninbangkok said:

You start your argument admitting voter roles are a mess then descend into a pretzel of logic only and intellectual from some ivory tower could believe. 

 

Democrats are against looking for voter fraud because they depend on it. 

Voter databases aren't 100% accurate, but that doesn't not prove voter fraud.  My "intellectual" argument consists of quotes from Time magazine and pointing out the stiff penalties for voter fraud.  Is this "pretzel logic"  really to intellectual for you? 

 

You have no evidence of voter fraud, you believe it as an act of faith, not demonstrated fact.

 

Regarding your final statement, I repeat:  Just because you, and Trump, want to believe in massive voter fraud doesn't make it real.

Edited July 4, 2017 by heybruce

[pennine]

On 7/2/2017 at 2:17 PM, heybruce said:

Transparency in government means transparency in government operations and debates, it does not mean revealing sensitive personal information about tens of millions of US voters. 

 

Remember, this is the president who can't keep a government secret.  He's pretty good at keeping his personal finances secret, though.

Exactly. He won't reveal his Tax position. What is he trying to hide?

[Chou Anou]

[Si Thea01]

15 hours ago, charmonman said:

He is the President of the United States. It has everything to do with everyone else. People need to have confidence that the President is clean and free of financial entanglements and conflicts of interest which would affect his ability to do his job fairly. A large portion of the US citizenry have serious doubts that this is so.

What is he hiding?

People do have confidence despite what the negative reports have to say.  As I said, there is nothing to force him to release them despite what you and others say.  Get used to it and just move forward because all you are doing at the moment is rehashing the garbage put of by the MSM .

 

[Scott]

I think we can drop the discussion of Trump's taxes.   It is a deflection and off-topic.  

[Johpa]

Just another irrelevant distraction to take your eyes off the final dismantling of the New Deal and the imposition of the corporate oligarchy by then billionaire class, all of whom are envious of the Russian oligarchs and their monster yachts.  Don't mind about the slow degradation of public education by Betsy Devos, don't mind about the destruction of the environment by Scott Pruitt.  Instead, become fixated on the ghost busters chasing phantom voters or twitter battles. As long as you keep your eyes off the real news, the new ruling US oligarchs are happy.

[heybruce]

4 hours ago, Si Thea01 said:

People do have confidence despite what the negative reports have to say.  As I said, there is nothing to force him to release them despite what you and others say.  Get used to it and just move forward because all you are doing at the moment is rehashing the garbage put of by the MSM .

 

Right.  Besides, if you can't trust the word of a loud, arrogant conman with a history of lying, who can you trust?

 

Back on topic, I'm sure Trump and friends would use the personal voter data to further their on ends.  Why would anyone object to that?

[joecoolfrog]

On Monday, July 03, 2017 at 2:40 PM, funandsuninbangkok said:

Of course!

 

republican governments are not corrupt!

Satire I assume !

[ilostmypassword]

1 minute ago, joecoolfrog said:

Satire I assume !

Sadly enough, probably not.

[boomerangutang]

The US is a big country. Trump is a shyster.  If Trumpsters can find one example, out of 250 million voters, of someone cheating, he will scream about it from the ramparts, as if he's found a N.Korean mole in the Pentagon.  As with everything else Trump screams, his fans will rise up in glory at hearing Trump's golden words.  With one voice they will shout, "You see.  There was voter fraud.  This proves 3 million people in California and Maine voted illegally. Our Great Leader is vindicated.  He is right and righteous, as he always is."

 

Note:  years ago, a small bit of voter fraud was found.  I believe it was Illinois.  It turned out that well over half the illegal votes cast, at that time, were for conservative candidates.

[ilostmypassword]

10 hours ago, Johpa said:

Just another irrelevant distraction to take your eyes off the final dismantling of the New Deal and the imposition of the corporate oligarchy by then billionaire class, all of whom are envious of the Russian oligarchs and their monster yachts.  Don't mind about the slow degradation of public education by Betsy Devos, don't mind about the destruction of the environment by Scott Pruitt.  Instead, become fixated on the ghost busters chasing phantom voters or twitter battles. As long as you keep your eyes off the real news, the new ruling US oligarchs are happy.

Actually, since they plan to use this info to effectively disenfranchise voters who overwhelmingly would vote against those oligarchs, it's not a trivial issue at all.

[funandsuninbangkok]

2 hours ago, boomerangutang said:

The US is a big country. Trump is a shyster.  If Trumpsters can find one example, out of 250 million voters, of someone cheating, he will scream about it from the ramparts, as if he's found a N.Korean mole in the Pentagon.  As with everything else Trump screams, his fans will rise up in glory at hearing Trump's golden words.  With one voice they will shout, "You see.  There was voter fraud.  This proves 3 million people in California and Maine voted illegally. Our Great Leader is vindicated.  He is right and righteous, as he always is."

 

Note:  years ago, a small bit of voter fraud was found.  I believe it was Illinois.  It turned out that well over half the illegal votes cast, at that time, were for conservative candidates.

Yes quite a big small bit profiled here by Salon.com. Obamas hometown. Hardly the right-wing publication. Ignoring  - liberals can't handle the truth. 

 

http://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_style_illinois_decades_old_notoriety_for_election_corruption_is_legendary/

 

 

Edited July 5, 2017 by funandsuninbangkok

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, funandsuninbangkok said:

Yes quite a big small bit profiled here by Salon.com. Obamas hometown. Hardly the right-wing publication. Ignoring  - liberals can't handle the truth. 

 

http://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_style_illinois_decades_old_notoriety_for_election_corruption_is_legendary/

 

 

The only "voter fraud" in the last 30 years found was an alderwoman in one ward who gave away raffle tickets for a chance to win small prizes to people who voted.  This incentive to vote (no pressure on how to vote) was judged illegal. 

 

This hardly qualifies as "millions of illegal immigrants voting", as Trump claimed without evidence.

[funandsuninbangkok]

4 hours ago, heybruce said:

The only "voter fraud" in the last 30 years found was an alderwoman in one ward who gave away raffle tickets for a chance to win small prizes to people who voted.  This incentive to vote (no pressure on how to vote) was judged illegal. 

 

This hardly qualifies as "millions of illegal immigrants voting", as Trump claimed without evidence.

"Found" is the active word here. Since Chicago is a machine politic town run by Democrats they never find any voter fraud. 

 

Your asking the crooks to guard the bank. 

 

 

[Chou Anou]

[heybruce]

52 minutes ago, funandsuninbangkok said:

"Found" is the active word here. Since Chicago is a machine politic town run by Democrats they never find any voter fraud. 

 

Your asking the crooks to guard the bank.

Actually you article gives many examples of voter fraud found and eliminated decades ago.  It also illustrates the great lengths the city is going to in order to eliminate voter fraud.

 

Funny how people who insist there is massive voter fraud without evidence also insist there is insufficient evidence to investigate possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, in spite of suspicious links between campaign people and questionable Russians.

[Johpa]

12 hours ago, ilostmypassword said:

Actually, since they plan to use this info to effectively disenfranchise voters who overwhelmingly would vote against those oligarchs, it's not a trivial issue at all.

A valid point.

[Scott]

Off-topic post removed.   Please stay on topic.  

[selftaopath]

On 7/2/2017 at 9:42 AM, darksidedog said:

Trump is clearly desperate to find some evidence to back up any of his ludicrous claims, like this or Obama bugged me! With absolutely no evidence to back up the claim that there was widespread voter fraud, he wants to waste loads of tax payers money searching, and then has the gall to moan when told certain information is confidential and he just can't have it. When multiple States have told him the same thing, you have to be a complete moron to think they will shift their position, just by sending out a sad and pitiful tweet on the matter. Does he not realise that every time he does it, the whole world just laughs at him even more?

In his demented mind he is already The U.S. Dictator. So in this mindset what he says ought not be disputed or refused. He is mentally ill; must be removed.

Edited July 6, 2017 by selftaopath
typographical error

[mesquite]

1 hour ago, selftaopath said:

In his demented mind he is already The U.S. Dictator. So in this mindset what he says ought not be disputed or refused. He is mentally ill; must be removed.

Don't worry.  He will remove himself on January 20, 2025 upon completion of his second term.

[heybruce]

The voter fraud issue explained in very simple language, which many people will reject since they don't like the conclusion.

 

"Take this study by Loyola Law School professor Justin Levitt, in which he tracked US elections from 2000 to 2014 in search of voter fraud, or, as he put it, "specific, credible allegation that someone may have pretended to be someone else at the polls."

He found 31 such instances out of more than 1 billion (yes, billion with a "b") votes cast. 31!"

 

" A five-year study on voter fraud commissioned by the George W. Bush administration reached that same conclusion back in 2007. Wrote the New York Times at the time: "The Justice Department has turned up virtually no evidence of any organized effort to skew federal elections." "

 

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/05/politics/kobach-voter-fraud/index.html

 

 

[selftaopath]

On 7/2/2017 at 2:21 PM, Thaidream said:

No State is trying to hide anything- it is a State responsibility to monitor all elections not the Federal Government.  Trump wants to look for something that is not there to prove a point of exaggeration.  He may be President but he lost the popular vote and there is no way 3 million more voters who voted for Clinton or others were frauds.  I am more concerned that Russian agents directed a hack of the voting machines and changed the vote totals and that Trump may not actually have won.

Donald Trump is wasting millions on this nonsense and his private travels to Florida while refusing universal healthcare to millions of Americans.

45 doesn't care who's money he spends. He doesn't care about America or Americans. All.... let me repeat... ALL he cares about is himself (and maybe his family).

[Skywalker69]

While the rest of the us blasts Trump for not relase his tax papers.

[charmonman]

On 7/4/2017 at 6:32 AM, Si Thea01 said:

People do have confidence despite what the negative reports have to say.  As I said, there is nothing to force him to release them despite what you and others say.  Get used to it and just move forward because all you are doing at the moment is rehashing the garbage put of by the MSM .

 

The polls say otherwise, but I guess according to you that is just garbage put out by the MSM. By your definition any news article that doesn't agree with your own prejudices is just garbage. How convenient.

 

I'm not "rehashing" anything. I'm making the point that before he starts asking of others "what are they hiding" he should be prepared to answer the same question himself. The question remains. What is he hiding when he refuses to do what every other President since Nixon has done?