Witnesses testify in defence of ex-PM Yingluck on rice pledging scheme

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Witnesses testify in defence of ex-PM Yingluck on rice pledging scheme

 

Former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra stood trial  at the Supreme Court’s Criminal Division for Holders of Political Positions to hear her witnesses giving testimonies to defend her for rice pledging scheme case today (July 7).

 

Four defendant witnesses testified in her favour today. They are her two deputy prime ministers Niwatthamlong Boonsongphaisal and Plodprasop Suraswadi and former Nakhon Nayok governor Surachai Srisarakham, and former National Security Council chief Lt Gen Paradorn Pattanathabutr.

 

Ms Yingluck arrived at the court before 9.00 am amid a hundred of supporters giving her morale boost.

 

Before entering the courtroom, Ms Yingluck remained confident of her innocence with the evidence she has produced to the court, while dismissing charge of dereliction of duty filed by the attorney-general.

 

She said she would like to give verbal statement in closing the case which the court will schedule the date again.

 

Full story: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/witnesses-testify-defence-ex-pm-yingluck-rice-pledging-scheme/

 

 

-- © Copyright Thai PBS 2017-07-08

[sungod]

She must of attended court more times than parliament now.

[halloween]

Anybody notice the glaring omission - the DPM charged with investigating corruption in her rice scam? Where could he be now?

[robblok]

24 minutes ago, halloween said:

Anybody notice the glaring omission - the DPM charged with investigating corruption in her rice scam? Where could he be now?

Of course they would not include that in the defense.. and see how they try to say that there was no need for her to be present.. as she delegated it all. Would be ok if she was not chairwoman and had not attended any meetings.. Ah they are the defense they have to do the best to get their client of. 

Raising an issue.. is different as taking actions on warnings.. but I guess judges are not stupid and know the difference. 

[Confuscious]

What's the use?
She is already deemed guilty before any trial started.
She is "RED" and everything "RED" is guilty for the Junta.

[Eric Loh]

It is junta time. They don't snatch power, appoint crony anti corruption agencies, protect themselves with amnesty and use article 44 to seize assets of political enemies for nothing. 

[scorecard]

 

Plodprasop Suraswadi testified in her defense.

 

This guy has massive nasty / negative baggage including human rights stuff, intimidation and more.

 

Who would see this guy as credible and honest?

 

Nobody, in fact given his history it surprises me that yl's defense team would want him anywhere near this case.

 

Dredging past the bottom now. 

[hansnl]

1 hour ago, Confuscious said:

What's the use?
She is already deemed guilty before any trial started.
She is "RED" and everything "RED" is guilty for the Junta.

I can not and will not escape the idea the 'red' did a lot of wrong.

So maybe they are guilty of some things, like the rice scheme, shooting and throwing grenades, threatening to build an army, threatening to break up the country, destroying buildings, killing 2500 "drug users", killing Innocents, threatening voters, buying votes, etc.

I presume some of all that needs some, ehhh, judicial review?

 

[sawadee1947]

1 hour ago, scorecard said:

This guy has massive nasty / negative baggage including human rights stuff, intimidation and more.

oh yeah, so quite different from this junta???? Dream on

[champers]

Sadly, it seems the less corrupt a Thai politician is, the less effective and popular they are. Abhisit is a prime example.

[scorecard]

36 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said:

oh yeah, so quite different from this junta???? Dream on

 

Well I'll ask you a question - Would you want plod.... to be a witness to support you?

 

Please don't deflect.

[NCC1701A]

i hope the court sentences her to a good spanking for her crimes.

 

and i will carry out the sentence.

 

 

[than]

5 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

It is junta time. They don't snatch power, appoint crony anti corruption agencies, protect themselves with amnesty and use article 44 to seize assets of political enemies for nothing. 

 

Like other thread, you not understand what happen in Thailand, this is an article give you an analysis of problem in the rice pledging scheme

 

http://www.loc.gov/law/foreign-news/article/thailand-crisis-in-thai-rice-pledging-scheme/

 

Only 8% of farmers receive benefit from the scheme (high to moderate-income farmers), poor farmers have not enough plot of land to participate to the scheme (but in the PTP programm all farmers and not for one categories of farmers). 

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 For example, it found that the farmers who would receive the most benefit from the scheme would be high to moderate-income farmers (around 1.185 million households), because they are capable of cultivating considerable amounts of rice for the purpose of selling their product to the government. (Id.) In contrast, low-income farmers possess only the ability to cultivate rice for consumption by their own households. Thus, they would not have enough rice to enter into the rice pledging scheme. (Id.) Furthermore, THAI PBS found that only 8% of farmers would benefit from this scheme. (1 Year: Problems of Rice Pledging Scheme of Yingluck Administration, supra.)

Now she cannot (or not want) to stop corruption and cheating in the scheme, rice from Cambodia and Myanmar were used by thai traders for the scheme.

 

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 According to a Burmese news outlet, Ye Min Aung, Secretary of the Burmese Rice Merchants Federation, stated that “at the beginning of this year (2013 ), Thai traders started to buy normal rice and broken rice [grains] from Myanmar and transport it across the border. This cross border rice trade is related to the Thai government’s rice scheme. Thai farmers will benefit if they buy cheap Burmese rice and import it into Thailand for this scheme.” (Thai Subsidy Scheme Leads to Burmese Rice Sell-Off, THE IRRAWADDY (July 3, 2013).)

 

 

This trial is based on evidences not on your supposed plots. She was negligent in her duty to control and to stop the scheme when she can.

 

During 2012 to 2014 she receive warms from IMF, scholars and oppositions parties, but she decide to do nothing. In the European countries, this scheme would be scrap immediate for stop loose in states budget.

 

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• the World Bank (2012): a loss of 1.2 per cent of GDP for the 2012/2013 Program (or based on the Thai GDP at 2013 it equals $11 billion);

• Recently, the Bank’s 2014 East Asia Economic Update quoted an estimate by Thailand’s Ministry of Finance suggesting a loss of 3.8 per cent of GDP (or based on the Thai GDP at 2014 it equals $14.7 billion) (The World Bank 2014).

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This time the attack on a programme that is costing the government billions of dollars a year and adding to worries about the country’s economy is delivered diplomatically, but none the less forcefully, by the International Monetary Fund.

In its annual review of the Thai economy, the IMF said this of an initiative into which the administration of prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra has now poured well over $20bn since it was launched in late 2011:

"The staff sees clear merit in replacing the rice pledging scheme with budgetary transfers targeted at low-income agricultural households." (In fact, surveys showed that only High and middle-income farmers were the real The real beneficiaries of this schemes).

Financial Times : Thai rice scheme: IMF ramps up the criticism Nov 12 2013

 

[than]

2 hours ago, NCC1701A said:

i hope the court sentences her to a good spanking for her crimes.

 

and i will carry out the sentence.

 

 

Ok, I come to see a Chang for me please

[Eric Loh]

9 minutes ago, than said:

 

Like other thread, you not understand what happen in Thailand, this is an article give you an analysis of problem in the rice pledging scheme

 

http://www.loc.gov/law/foreign-news/article/thailand-crisis-in-thai-rice-pledging-scheme/

 

Only 8% of farmers receive benefit from the scheme (high to moderate-income farmers), poor farmers have not enough plot of land to participate to the scheme (but in the PTP programm all farmers and not for one categories of farmers). 

Now she cannot (or not want) to stop corruption and cheating in the scheme, rice from Cambodia and Myanmar were used by thai traders for the scheme.

 

 

 

This trial is based on evidences not on your supposed plots. She was negligent in her duty to control and to stop the scheme when she can.

 

During 2012 to 2014 she receive warms from IMF, scholars and oppositions parties, but she decide to do nothing. In the European countries, this scheme would be scrap immediate for stop loose in states budget.

 

 

The people should decide; not a coup. And has bad policies, extravagance spending, subsidies and corruption improved? Worse, what recourse has the people or the law provide when there are no avenues for people to voice their opinion and speak out and the amnesty cancel out any lawful ways to bring the injustices to court. Open your eyes. 

[seajae]

15 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

The people should decide; not a coup. And has bad policies, extravagance spending, subsidies and corruption improved? Worse, what recourse has the people or the law provide when there are no avenues for people to voice their opinion and speak out and the amnesty cancel out any lawful ways to bring the injustices to court. Open your eyes. 

I see you avoided acknowledging the fact that the article you commented on showed all the proof of her guilt and you changed the subject totally to the coup, cant admit she is guilty hey and refusing to comment when the facts are put before you, typical and shows how pathetic your claims of her innocence are

[than]

25 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

The people should decide; not a coup. And has bad policies, extravagance spending, subsidies and corruption improved? Worse, what recourse has the people or the law provide when there are no avenues for people to voice their opinion and speak out and the amnesty cancel out any lawful ways to bring the injustices to court. Open your eyes. 

Like PTP and is injustice method, open your eyes too Eric. PTP always try to destroyed check of balance by try to pass unconstitutional law to take control of independent agencies and stop probe against them !

NACC probe on YL and her scheme in January 2014 during the caretaker government of Boonsongpaisan (PTP) not under this current government !

[scorecard]

53 minutes ago, seajae said:

I see you avoided acknowledging the fact that the article you commented on showed all the proof of her guilt and you changed the subject totally to the coup, cant admit she is guilty hey and refusing to comment when the facts are put before you, typical and shows how pathetic your claims of her innocence are

 

Tricky dishonest el...

[Eric Loh]

2 hours ago, seajae said:

I see you avoided acknowledging the fact that the article you commented on showed all the proof of her guilt and you changed the subject totally to the coup, cant admit she is guilty hey and refusing to comment when the facts are put before you, typical and shows how pathetic your claims of her innocence are

Has the Supreme Court ruled on her case? So she is guilty because you say so. Illogical and really hilarious. 

[scorecard]

2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

The people should decide; not a coup. And has bad policies, extravagance spending, subsidies and corruption improved? Worse, what recourse has the people or the law provide when there are no avenues for people to voice their opinion and speak out and the amnesty cancel out any lawful ways to bring the injustices to court. Open your eyes. 

 

Read your own post again el.

 

You trap yourself with most of your own points.

 

e.g. Amnesty cancelled - your colour and morals are so obvious.

[Eric Loh]

2 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 

Read your own post again el.

 

You trap yourself with most of your own points.

 

e.g. Amnesty cancelled - your colour and morals are so obvious.

Just say my post have you all in tangle for being factual. You can't be talking moral when you disown universal suffrage. 

[bangrak]

2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

The people should decide; not a coup. And has bad policies, extravagance spending, subsidies and corruption improved? Worse, what recourse has the people or the law provide when there are no avenues for people to voice their opinion and speak out and the amnesty cancel out any lawful ways to bring the injustices to court. Open your eyes. 

No, not from you, it can't be, you can't be the Eric Loh we had here before, as, he would never have written 'The people should decide; not a coup' about the present topic! As he knew damn well that this is for Justice, for the Courts to decide, 'the people' (should...) decide about who represents them in Parliament, and (when it would do) its duty to make the good laws for people and country, it is called the 'legislative power', it is another power called 'judicial' which implements those laws in their rulings, and yet another power called 'executive' which should ...execute the decisions and policies voted in Parliament. The separation, and good working, of these three powers are vital to the political system called Democracy... That it is not for a coup to decide about Yingluck's guilt, no doubt, and it's a highly esteemed assembly of Judges going to decide about it, as it should! But positive about that coup, is that when it would not have been, Yingluck would not have seen a courtroom, and the country would have, IMO, fallen in the abyss the Shins &Co. was violently pushing it too.

[YetAnother]

dont understand this; i thought we are on the verge of a verdict;  witnesses should be all done with

[scorecard]

49 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Just say my post have you all in tangle for being factual. You can't be talking moral when you disown universal suffrage. 

 

Again you cannot respond to the points in my post, so again you divert.

 

Pathetic.

[Baerboxer]

9 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

It is junta time. They don't snatch power, appoint crony anti corruption agencies, protect themselves with amnesty and use article 44 to seize assets of political enemies for nothing. 

 

None of which has anything to with the fact Yingluck was, based on not bothering to attend or apparently do anything but delegate, appears to have been negligent in her duties.

[Eric Loh]

10 minutes ago, bangrak said:

No, not from you, it can't be, you can't be the Eric Loh we had here before, as, he would never have written 'The people should decide; not a coup' about the present topic! As he knew damn well that this is for Justice, for the Courts to decide, 'the people' (should...) decide about who represents them in Parliament, and (when it would do) its duty to make the good laws for people and country, it is called the 'legislative power', it is another power called 'judicial' which implements those laws in their rulings, and yet another power called 'executive' which should ...execute the decisions and policies voted in Parliament. The separation, and good working, of these three powers are vital to the political system called Democracy... That it is not for a coup to decide about Yingluck's guilt, no doubt, and it's a highly esteemed assembly of Judges going to decide about it, as it should! But positive about that coup, is that when it would not have been, Yingluck would not have seen a courtroom, and the country would have, IMO, fallen in the abyss the Shins &Co. was violently pushing it too.

Seem that my post was misinterpreted or perhaps just your comprehension deficit.  The rice scheme is a government policy and the electorate will have the chance to express their opinion and judge on this policy and others at the ballot box. The current court hearing and asset seizure stand on their own. 

 

You are making lots of assumptions and that's perfectly your opinion about country going in the abyss. I can also have my opinion that rice price may recover when India stopped exporting rice and the wider economy will be better than the current abysmal dire situation. 

 

 

[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

Has the Supreme Court ruled on her case? So she is guilty because you say so. Illogical and really hilarious. 

 

So you believe that the DPM witness's excuse, that she needn't have attended every (when she never attended any) meetings and delegated everything (with zilch follow up) means she wasn't negligent?

 

And of course, he never ever lie would he? 

 

 

[Baerboxer]

2 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Seem that my post was misinterpreted or perhaps just your comprehension deficit.  The rice scheme is a government policy and the electorate will have the chance to express their opinion and judge on this policy and others at the ballot box. The current court hearing and asset seizure stand on their own. 

 

You are making lots of assumptions and that's perfectly your opinion about country going in the abyss. I can also have my opinion that rice price may recover when India stopped exporting rice and the wider economy will be better than the current abysmal dire situation. 

 

 

 

Doesn't matter whose scheme it was. The then PM appointed herself chairperson and made statements asserting there were no issues, corruption or otherwise in the scheme and that it was self financing and there was no issue with cash flows.

 

Then shortly after she assured the protesting unpaid farmers they'd be "paid next week" - only they weren't.

 

The reality, as that she wasn't really running things, and by keeping her away, out travelling, they could fall back on plausible deniability. They shouldn't have let her chair it. Then she could have blamed others.

[scorecard]

9 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Seem that my post was misinterpreted or perhaps just your comprehension deficit.  The rice scheme is a government policy and the electorate will have the chance to express their opinion and judge on this policy and others at the ballot box. The current court hearing and asset seizure stand on their own. 

 

You are making lots of assumptions and that's perfectly your opinion about country going in the abyss. I can also have my opinion that rice price may recover when India stopped exporting rice and the wider economy will be better than the current abysmal dire situation. 

 

 

 

None of which is relevant to the charges of gross dereliction in her management duties!

Edited July 8, 2017 by scorecard

[Eric Loh]

8 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

So you believe that the DPM witness's excuse, that she needn't have attended every (when she never attended any) meetings and delegated everything (with zilch follow up) means she wasn't negligent?

 

And of course, he never ever lie would he? 

 

 

You think Prayut attend all the committee that he chaired? Some committee like the National strategy preparation committee, Reform committee, Strategy committee, Reconciliation committee etc etc. 

 

He is busy with many work, right ? Can't attend all. That's why committe have deputies.