Back to Thailand after getting a 3 year ban

[mstevens]

11 hours ago, Monkeyrobot said:

James Bond & Jason Bourne use fake passports all the time with no trouble, then again Jason Bourne always has people trying to terminate him. Have you considered plastic surgery to change your look? 

Why stop with just plastic surgery?  How about a full sex change?

[mstevens]

10 hours ago, Just Weird said:

Definitely not even maybe relevant, unless it's just to satisfy your own curiosity.   How can some unknown event in the future affect anything?  Does having one overstay indicate a propensity?

"One overstay" many not show a propensity.....but there's a big difference between overstaying a day or two or overstaying for more than a year which the OP did.  I don't think anyone can say that overstaying for more than a year is simply a "mistake".

[bobalolo]

I was just being lazy to go out every 3 months to do a visa run. 

I understand that money plays in Thailand and I have no problems to pay to get back.

I would be happy if I can get a contact in private messages of someone who had this problem before.

[BuddyDean]

Having been a juror on a Federal immigration case, I can say that "illegal re-entry" is far more serious than overstaying.  The biggest difference in LOS will be no jury.  It is a criminal offense, more than just deportable.  So is Visa fraud.....somewhere in the paperwork you declare you have not been declared non-grata.  Been stuck in line behind people with two passports...I usually switch lines....many are gaming the system, or trying to.

[jacko45k]

16 hours ago, bobalolo said:

I can get a new one, or a new passport from a different country.

The question is will they know I am the same person? I do not mind changing my name on a different country passport (or the same country). How sophisticate are they anyway? 

If I try to cross from a land border what is the worst that they can do if they find out?

Hmm, your disregard for immigration and necessary procedures (which got you banned in the first place) is apparent. Should you succeed in returning under a new passport, if your perfidy is uncovered here, there will likely be a sterner rebuke.

[ubonjoe]

I have removed some off topic inflammatory posts. From now on they will be removed without notice.

[Tony125]

15 hours ago, Thai Ron said:

I know a fella who got deported for being in the wrong place at the wrong time (Police conducted a raid on an office and charged everyone with working without a permit even though he was just meeting a friend)

He paid 250000 baht to a fixer (who I presume bribed a court official to remove the blacklisting) and was back in the country 2 months later like nothing had happened.

 

 

If he gets the blacklisting removed as your friend did then no problem however I seem to remember a person who was blacklisted from Thailand for 5 years came back with second passport (dual national). Someone recognized him an alerted  Thai authorities who picked him up. He was tried for illegal entry and sentenced to 2 years . Reason  the person is banned, doesn't make any difference if he gets another passport if he is let in and then discovered he will face charges of illegal entry.

 

[007 RED]

OP…. In your original post you asked “Anyone has experience with reversing the ban?  Are there lawyers who has done it before? (Successfully)".

 

To be honest, your chances of having your overstay ban expunged are extremely remote.  The ban has been imposed by immigration in accordance with the Ministerial Regulation and there is no official route for appealing against that ban.

 

There are a large number of agents/lawyers who claim to have connections in high places and will sweet talk you into believing that they can get your ban removed for a ‘fee’.  These people will happily string you along and take your money with little/no comeback when they don’t come up with the goods.

 

You mentioned in a later post that you would be willing to pay to be able to return to Thailand.  If you were able to find a Mr Fix-it, you will be talking in the order of 10 million Baht plus. 

[007 RED]

21 hours ago, bobalolo said:

I can get a new one, or a new passport from a different country.

The question is will they know I am the same person? I do not mind changing my name on a different country passport (or the same country). How sophisticate are they anyway? 

If I try to cross from a land border what is the worst that they can do if they find out?

The immigration system is not the best in the world.  That said, it is still fairly sophisticated and has an 80% plus capability of identifying you even if you change your name and/or obtain a new passport even from a different country.

 

If you try to gain entry to Thailand by plane, the Advance Passenger Information System will more than likely flag you up as ‘deny boarding’ to the airline. 

 

If you attempt to gain entry to Thailand via one of the land border crossings, then when the IO scans your passport, if the system flags you up as banned, the IO will refuse you entry and send you back in the direction you came from.

 

If by some chance the system did not pick you up as a banned person when you presented at an approved entry point, and you were subsequently caught, then expect immigration to throw the book at you. You will almost certainly be charged with entering the Kingdom illegally (e.g. entered whilst banned) and as this is a criminal offence you will be taken to Court, fined plus a good possibility of spending some time in one of the government’s ‘guest houses’ with deportation and a life ban thrown in for good measure.

 

Regardless of what your reasons may be for wanting to return before the end of your ban, the risks and possible consequences are not really worth it.

[Thai Ron]

6 minutes ago, 007 RED said:

You mentioned in a later post that you would be willing to pay to be able to return to Thailand.  If you were able to find a Mr Fix-it, you will be talking in the order of 10 million Baht plus. 

Won't even begin to imagine which part of your person you pulled that comedy number from.

Last i heard (the anecdote I provided in an earlier post happened in 2014) a blacklisting can be removed for 250,000 baht.

[Just Weird]

10 hours ago, sanemax said:

Yes, but my point was that even if he did show up with a new PP and got given permission to stay, he would still be in Thailand illegally, due to his three year ban , contrary to what you said 

Well, contrary to what you said and even though some people refuse to accept that I didn't make any mention of his getting a new passport, I would imagine that if a competent person, i.e. an Immigration Officer gives someone permission to stay then they have permission to stay.  But then I'm not familiar enough with Immigration law and I doubt that you are either to continue arguing the point that I never made.

[007 RED]

16 hours ago, Thai Ron said:

I know a fella who got deported for being in the wrong place at the wrong time (Police conducted a raid on an office and charged everyone with working without a permit even though he was just meeting a friend)

He paid 250000 baht to a fixer (who I presume bribed a court official to remove the blacklisting) and was back in the country 2 months later like nothing had happened.

 

I'm sorry but that is just hear say... court officials have nothing to do with immigration and they certainly no access to the immigration system to be able to expunge such a ban.

[Just Weird]

7 hours ago, mstevens said:

"One overstay" many not show a propensity.....but there's a big difference between overstaying a day or two or overstaying for more than a year which the OP did.  I don't think anyone can say that overstaying for more than a year is simply a "mistake".

I didn't say that there wasn't a difference neither did I suggest that the OP's overstay was a mistake. 

 

What I did say, though, was that the reason for his overstay is irrelevant to his question about being allowed back to Thailand, which it is.  He's been banned and curiosity about how he came to be on overstay is just that, curiosity, and will not affect his getting back into the country, neither can it affect any 'advice' that curious Thaivisa members provide.

[Just Weird]

6 minutes ago, 007 RED said:

I'm sorry but that is just hear say... court officials have nothing to do with immigration and they certainly no access to the immigration system to be able to expunge such a ban.

You'd be surprised about the access boiler rooms have to whoever they need to have access to!  

 

Anyway, the poster that you replied to didn't say that a court official had sorted it, he said that he "presumed" that's what happened.

[ubonjoe]

11 minutes ago, 007 RED said:

I'm sorry but that is just hear say... court officials have nothing to do with immigration and they certainly no access to the immigration system to be able to expunge such a ban.

If done correctly by a judge/court a blacklisting could be removed by a court order. It would require the order to be submitted to immigration to remove it.

The administrative court would likely be the correct route to get it done. 

[Thai Ron]

7 minutes ago, 007 RED said:

I'm sorry but that is just hear say... court officials have nothing to do with immigration and they certainly no access to the immigration system to be able to expunge such a ban.

It's not hearsay at all.

The court had plenty to do with his blacklisting since he appeared before one prior to being whisked off to the airport with the court order instructing immigration to blacklist him for working in the kingdom without permission nestling in the back pocket of the police escort.

Immigration have the power to blacklist you for overstay or to deny you entry into the country but you can only be blacklisted for working illegally by a court order.

[bobalolo]

31 minutes ago, Thai Ron said:

Won't even begin to imagine which part of your person you pulled that comedy number from.

Last i heard (the anecdote I provided in an earlier post happened in 2014) a blacklisting can be removed for 250,000 baht.

Do you know where and who can set it up?

 

I wasn't charged by court, just paid 20,000 fine and was stamped and received a letter that says I am banned from Thailand for 3 years. there was no court.

[Thai Ron]

47 minutes ago, bobalolo said:

Do you know where and who can set it up?

 

I wasn't charged by court, just paid 20,000 fine and was stamped and received a letter that says I am banned from Thailand for 3 years. there was no court.

I'm not going to discuss the details of something illegal on the open forum.

Edited October 25, 2017 by Thai Ron

[steven100]

A ban for 3 years has been activated & is in place.  See you in 2020.

This is why the Thailand has immigration laws.

[EcigAmateur]

1 hour ago, steven100 said:

A ban for 3 years has been activated & is in place.  See you in 2020.

This is why the Thailand has immigration laws.

 

How miserable must be some people on this forum to be happy that anybody is banned.

[007 RED]

2 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

If done correctly by a judge/court a blacklisting could be removed by a court order. It would require the order to be submitted to immigration to remove it.

The administrative court would likely be the correct route to get it done. 

Joe… Sorry, but with all due respects, having overstayed in the Kingdom by over a year on what grounds is OP going to appeal against the 3 year ban?  I don't think "laziness" (to quote the OP) is not really a justifiable reason for an overstay appeal.

 

As you are aware the overstay ban is automatic and there is no appeals procedure, so it is highly unlikely (unless there are extenuating circumstances) that a Court would even entertain hearing such a case.

[ubonjoe]

6 minutes ago, 007 RED said:

Joe… Sorry, but with all due respects, having overstayed in the Kingdom by over a year on what grounds is OP going to appeal against the 3 year ban?  I don't think "laziness" (to quote the OP) is not really a justifiable reason for an overstay appeal.

 

I was replying to a general statement you made and mine was not directed at the OP.

6 minutes ago, 007 RED said:

As you are aware the overstay ban is automatic and there is no appeals procedure, so it is highly unlikely (unless there are extenuating circumstances) that a Court would even entertain hearing such a case.

Not sure about there not being some kind of appeal for it.

I personally think the minister's order for the banning could be appealed since it contradicts the immigration act. It also was not done under normal procedures like many other things under article 44.

IMO it should of been done as an amendment to the immigration act and at the same time increased the max fine of 20k baht which is the root of what caused the overstay problem in the first place.

[FritsSikkink]

9 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

I was replying to a general statement you made and mine was not directed at the OP.

Not sure about there not being some kind of appeal for it.

I personally think the minister's order for the banning could be appealed since it contradicts the immigration act. It also was not done under normal procedures like many other things under article 44.

IMO it should of been done as an amendment to the immigration act and at the same time increased the max fine of 20k baht which is the root of what caused the overstay problem in the first place.

The root cause is not to leave the country when you have to.

[ubonjoe]

5 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

The root cause is not to leave the country when you have to.

I don't see how that has anything to do with my post.

The reason people overstayed in many cases was because the overstay fine of 20k baht is less than a ticket home. People are still overstaying less than 90 days because of it now.

 

[Media1]

No chance never going to happen 

[NanLaew]

On 10/24/2017 at 6:16 PM, Thai Ron said:

I know a fella who got deported for being in the wrong place at the wrong time (Police conducted a raid on an office and charged everyone with working without a permit even though he was just meeting a friend)

He paid 250000 baht to a fixer (who I presume bribed a court official to remove the blacklisting) and was back in the country 2 months later like nothing had happened.

 

I reckon anyone who can easily spring for a quarter mill and has the connections to make a deportation order disappear wasn't simply meeting a friend in a boiler room.

[NanLaew]

On 10/25/2017 at 11:38 AM, Thai Ron said:

I'm not going to discuss the details of something illegal on the open forum.

That means send him a PM.

[Psimbo]

On 10/24/2017 at 1:05 PM, bobalolo said:

I can get a new one, or a new passport from a different country.

The question is will they know I am the same person? I do not mind changing my name on a different country passport (or the same country). How sophisticate are they anyway? 

If I try to cross from a land border what is the worst that they can do if they find out?

I have two passports from different countries- they pinged me at immigration as one had been reported as lost (not that I had done anything wrong). For about a year after they still stopped and asked me so they are aware.

 

I would suggest that if you tried and got found out you'd probably get a far longer ban. It's not worth it.

[Psimbo]

On 10/25/2017 at 1:14 PM, EcigAmateur said:

 

How miserable must be some people on this forum to be happy that anybody is banned.

How sad that some people think its OK to have contempt for the laws of a country one is a guest in. He broke the law and he paid the price, which included a ban.

Edited October 26, 2017 by Psimbo

[Thai Ron]

2 hours ago, NanLaew said:

I reckon anyone who can easily spring for a quarter mill and has the connections to make a deportation order disappear wasn't simply meeting a friend in a boiler room.

250,000 baht isn't a large sum of money.

At the time, it would've been about GBP5,000 but I suppose it's all relative.

If he had the kind of connections I suspect you're alluding to, he'd have been able to avoid the ban in the first place.