Tony Blair warns British voters: time is running out to stop Brexit folly

[Khun Han]

On 27/02/2018 at 4:49 PM, sambum said:

Obtuse? Don't be ridiculous! Do you even know the meaning of the word? :-

 

"annoyingly insensitive or slow to understand."

 

I am being neither insensitive, or slow to understand - I am merely stating the obvious, and I don't need an animal welfare "expert" to tell me about inhumane animal breeding conditions - if anything, I agree with the suggestion that better conditions would mean a better quality product.

 

All I am saying is that your question wasn't too bright - in fact your reply to my comment  could be described as being deliberately obtuse. "Why do people want to import cheaper food?"  

 

If someone can afford to buy top quality free range chicken eggs laid by chickens that have a comparatively luxurious lifestyle compared to their battery farm counterparts, then good luck to them. However, not everybody has the money to buy the best, and my comment was only stating that of course people want cheaper food, in the same way as they want cheaper TV's cheaper cars, cheaper houses - IT'S A NATURAL HUMAN TRAIT !

 

And you telling me to "wake up" doesn't alter that fact one iota, so get back on your pedestal and preach all you want, but human nature being what it is, the cost of the eggs will determine who buys them, and not whether they come from a happy or a sad chicken! 

 

 

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People with money often pontificate from their position of privilege. It's easy for them to do so. I can afford organic free range eggs and suchlike for my family, but I accept that many families simply can't afford to be so picky. That's the reality.

[Grouse]

You all miss the point

 

Allowing cheap imports will drive down walfare standards generally. That applies whether discussing bacon or shoes.

 

The existing system goes some way to level up the playing field. Incidentally, proper labelling of products would help. 

 

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[Laughing Gravy]

Blair/Major, puppets/muppets of the EU and frankly would sell their mothers. Neither can be trusted and sold the UK down the river with the EU signing the various treaties that kept control of the EU. Now they have the audacity to claim that there should be another referendum (why didn't they offer one when in power) and also that Brexit is too difficult. What better to free the country from the bureaucratic constraints of the EU. These two, vile self serving, out of touch idiots just do not get it. Claiming people didn't know what they voted for is insulting. They should both climb under the rocks they came from. The EU is clearly trying to destabilize the UK with the threat of Northern Ireland. It makes walking away so much easier, keep our money, eat more fish and by wine from elsewhere.

 

I am sue the hardline remainers here, who seem to kiss the backsides of the EU will try and defend it. Unsuccessfully as always. Claiming the EU isn't perfect isn't an excuse for staying in. The fact Blair mentioned that the EU needs to change as the tone across Europe is changing. Yes he is right about that. Claiming the Brexit vote was all about immigration again shows he talks absolutely rubbish. It was about control, sovereignty. making our own decisions from unelected self serving idiots in Brussels. Myself and friends England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and wales who voted leave did so to get out from the EU stranglehold. We tried the club. It didn't work. We want to make our own choices. When will the Blairs/Majors and the other 'gravy train' EU luvvies understand. It is bad enough we have these and then Corbyn, who has gone against his own principles and sold his 'soul to the devil' I would never vote Labour again whilst this traitor is in it.

 

I wish people would let the UK go. I keep hearing we don't want you. then fine. Leave us be and our money as it clearly demonstrates you want/need us a lot. Who would want to be part of a so called progressive democratic organization, that wants to punish you/ destroy you, because you have decided after years of trying to get you to change, you will not.

[bert bloggs]

3 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Blair/Major, puppets/muppets of the EU and frankly would sell their mothers. Neither can be trusted and sold the UK down the river with the EU signing the various treaties that kept control of the EU. Now they have the audacity to claim that there should be another referendum (why didn't they offer one when in power) and also that Brexit is too difficult. What better to free the country from the bureaucratic constraints of the EU. These two, vile self serving, out of touch idiots just do not get it. Claiming people didn't know what they voted for is insulting. They should both climb under the rocks they came from. The EU is clearly trying to destabilize the UK with the threat of Northern Ireland. It makes walking away so much easier, keep our money, eat more fish and by wine from elsewhere.

 

I am sue the hardline remainers here, who seem to kiss the backsides of the EU will try and defend it. Unsuccessfully as always. Claiming the EU isn't perfect isn't an excuse for staying in. The fact Blair mentioned that the EU needs to change as the tone across Europe is changing. Yes he is right about that. Claiming the Brexit vote was all about immigration again shows he talks absolutely rubbish. It was about control, sovereignty. making our own decisions from unelected self serving idiots in Brussels. Myself and friends England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and wales who voted leave did so to get out from the EU stranglehold. We tried the club. It didn't work. We want to make our own choices. When will the Blairs/Majors and the other 'gravy train' EU luvvies understand. It is bad enough we have these and then Corbyn, who has gone against his own principles and sold his 'soul to the devil' I would never vote Labour again whilst this traitor is in it.

 

I wish people would let the UK go. I keep hearing we don't want you. then fine. Leave us be and our money as it clearly demonstrates you want/need us a lot. Who would want to be part of a so called progressive democratic organization, that wants to punish you/ destroy you, because you have decided after years of trying to get you to change, you will not.

I do wish you wouldnt say such nice things about Britains answer to Lord Haw Haw ,just tell the truth Blair is lower than the sh-t that stuck to my shoe the other day ,as for Major , he is so irrelevant its not even worth talking about him .

 

Edited March 2, 2018 by bert bloggs

[malagateddy]

Blair..major aka the Carlile Group..soros..rothchilds..goldman sachs..citibank..etc etc.
The people who pull strings at the corrupt autocratic eu..junker tusk etc are but jobsworths for them
Hopefully all over Thailand..there soon will be big brexiteer parties celebrating the UK leaving the rancid eu[emoji6][emoji23][emoji6]

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[Laughing Gravy]

The man should be in the dock at the Hague over the WMD. Just seeing him on TV angers me, as who does he think he is? A champion of the people. Not at all. A servant of the establishment who lies, lies and tells more lies. He shouldn't be given air time on TV and obviously Brussels allowing him a speech just shows their stance on democracy. The sooner the UK leaves the EU the better.

[Grouse]

????

 

No need for further reply.

 

The majority is correct?

 

Not this bunch!

 

 

 

Edited March 2, 2018 by Grouse
Lightening the mood

[malagateddy]

Only your opinion..buy the way..are you British?

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[Grouse]

2 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

Only your opinion..buy the way..are you British?

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Who me? Absolty buy the way!

[malagateddy]

The word is "absolutely" not absolty[emoji6]

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[Grouse]

Anyway, when you've all finished spitting rivits, ponder this: Trump has just slapped 25% import duty on steel!

 

Why is that do you think?

 

The Brexiters always say the EU is a protection racket. Absolutely, we don't want our living standards dragged to the lowest common denominator. I think Trump is wrong and over the top as always but at least he tries to protect the interests of the workers in the American Union!

[Grouse]

3 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

The word is "absolutely" not absolty

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You don't do irony do you ?. I therefore am obliged to request that you confirm that you are British? 

[malagateddy]

Born 1950 in Glasgow..raised and worked all my days in Glasgow..retired from business and now enjoying retirement in Chaiyaphum Province

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[jinners]

1 hour ago, Grouse said:

Anyway, when you've all finished spitting rivits, ponder this: Trump has just slapped 25% import duty on steel!

 

Why is that do you think?

 

The Brexiters always say the EU is a protection racket. Absolutely, we don't want our living standards dragged to the lowest common denominator. I think Trump is wrong and over the top as always but at least he tries to protect the interests of the workers in the American Union!

EU is a protection racket and everyone knows it. The spineless amongst the remainiacs, politicians and all, just like the status quo, cosy locked in pensions for the eliterati, no rocking of the boat, not when 90% of the UK catch goes elsewhere anyway, accounts not signed off for 18 years, boring really something everyone should know. This Liebour thing of 'race to the bottom' was absolute horse crap. At least they've (finally) stopped using Singapore as a example of everything that can be bad in Asia. Pretty brain dead using a shining example of efficiency and capitalism as a negative. Says it all really.

[Grouse]

6 minutes ago, jinners said:

EU is a protection racket and everyone knows it. The spineless amongst the remainiacs, politicians and all, just like the status quo, cosy locked in pensions for the eliterati, no rocking of the boat, not when 90% of the UK catch goes elsewhere anyway, accounts not signed off for 18 years, boring really something everyone should know. This Liebour thing of 'race to the bottom' was absolute horse crap. At least they've (finally) stopped using Singapore as a example of everything that can be bad in Asia. Pretty brain dead using a shining example of efficiency and capitalism as a negative. Says it all really.

Did you read and understand my post?

[malagateddy]

Well said Jinners

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[dick dasterdly]

6 hours ago, Grouse said:

You all miss the point

 

Allowing cheap imports will drive down walfare standards generally. That applies whether discussing bacon or shoes.

 

The existing system goes some way to level up the playing field. Incidentally, proper labelling of products would help. 

 

?

I can't see why.  You made an earlier post stating that uk 'welfare' standards didn't meet eu standards?  Hard to see then how they could fall any lower.... .

 

I'm annoyed that you can imply that eu animal welfare standards are ok - when battery farming etc. is still allowable under the eu ...

 

 

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, malagateddy said:

Born 1950 in Glasgow..raised and worked all my days in Glasgow..retired from business and now enjoying retirement in Chaiyaphum Province

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Nice and peaceful, I always feel relaxed in Isaan. My lot come from That Phanom, not so far from you 

[dick dasterdly]

 

2 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

The man should be in the dock at the Hague over the WMD. Just seeing him on TV angers me, as who does he think he is? A champion of the people. Not at all. A servant of the establishment who lies, lies and tells more lies. He shouldn't be given air time on TV and obviously Brussels allowing him a speech just shows their stance on democracy. The sooner the UK leaves the EU the better.

"The man should be in the dock at the Hague over the WMD. Just seeing him on TV angers me, as who does he think he is? A champion of the people. Not at all. A servant of the establishment who lies, lies and tells more lies. He shouldn't be given air time on TV and obviously Brussels allowing him a speech just shows their stance on democracy. "

 

Agree entirely.

[Grouse]

1 minute ago, dick dasterdly said:

I can't see why.  You made an earlier post stating that uk 'welfare' standards didn't meet eu standards?  Hard to see then how they could fall any lower.... .

 

I'm annoyed that you can imply that eu animal welfare standards are ok - when battery farming etc. is still allowable under the eu ...

 

 

There is a strong effort to enforce high animal husbandry standards in the EU. Far from perfect but far far better than standards in many other countries such as here for example. Gove says he wants to have even higher standards 

 

In real terms, food has never been cheaper. That requires efficient production.

 

Allowing unfettered imports will force our own farmers to compete with countries where hellish conditions are legal. I for one see nothing good in that.

 

What is/was your line of business?

[malagateddy]

Haven't a clue..what's nearest city to you?

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[Grouse]

1 minute ago, malagateddy said:

Haven't a clue..what's nearest city to you?

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Nakhon Phanom is NE of you on the Mekong.

 

I live in Phuket for business reasons. Not peaceful at all and not very Thai to be frank

[dick dasterdly]

16 minutes ago, jinners said:

EU is a protection racket and everyone knows it. The spineless amongst the remainiacs, politicians and all, just like the status quo, cosy locked in pensions for the eliterati, no rocking of the boat, not when 90% of the UK catch goes elsewhere anyway, accounts not signed off for 18 years, boring really something everyone should know. This Liebour thing of 'race to the bottom' was absolute horse crap. At least they've (finally) stopped using Singapore as a example of everything that can be bad in Asia. Pretty brain dead using a shining example of efficiency and capitalism as a negative. Says it all really.

"The spineless amongst the remainiacs, politicians and all, just like the status quo, cosy locked in pensions for the eliterati"

 

Agree, but they're not spineless - just self-serving....

[malagateddy]

Grouse..never been to Phuket..no notion to go either..just another Blackpool to me

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[dick dasterdly]

2 hours ago, Grouse said:

 

 

Why is that do you think?

 

The Brexiters always say the EU is a protection racket. Absolutely, we don't want our living standards dragged to the lowest common denominator. I think Trump is wrong and over the top as always but at least he tries to protect the interests of the workers in the American Union!

"I think Trump is wrong and over the top as always but at least he tries to protect the interests of the workers in the American Union!"

 

Really .  You genuinely believe that trump cares about the 'little people'?

 

But trump is a distraction to this topic, and I'm sure you've brought him up for this reason....

[dick dasterdly]

7 hours ago, Grouse said:

You all miss the point

 

Allowing cheap imports will drive down walfare standards generally. That applies whether discussing bacon or shoes.

 

The existing system goes some way to level up the playing field. Incidentally, proper labelling of products would help. 

 

?

 

34 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

I can't see why.  You made an earlier post stating that uk 'welfare' standards didn't meet eu standards?  Hard to see then how they could fall any lower.... .

 

I'm annoyed that you can imply that eu animal welfare standards are ok - when battery farming etc. is still allowable under the eu ...

 

 

 

25 minutes ago, Grouse said:

There is a strong effort to enforce high animal husbandry standards in the EU. Far from perfect but far far better than standards in many other countries such as here for example. Gove says he wants to have even higher standards 

 

In real terms, food has never been cheaper. That requires efficient production.

 

Allowing unfettered imports will force our own farmers to compete with countries where hellish conditions are legal. I for one see nothing good in that.

 

What is/was your line of business?

I'm at a loss to respond.

 

Eu have no problem with battery farming/uk apparently somehow have even lower standards/imports from other countries will have even lower (ha ha ) 'animal welfare' standards!

Edited March 2, 2018 by dick dasterdly

[sambum]

9 hours ago, Grouse said:

You all miss the point

 

Allowing cheap imports will drive down walfare standards generally. That applies whether discussing bacon or shoes.

 

The existing system goes some way to level up the playing field. Incidentally, proper labelling of products would help. 

 

?

No, you are missing the point - you are talking welfare standards - we" are not talking welfare standards - "we" are talking prices! 

[sambum]

2 hours ago, Grouse said:

Nice and peaceful, I always feel relaxed in Isaan. My lot come from That Phanom, not so far from you 

Ahhh - cosy - "My lot" says a lot about your standpoint!

Edited March 2, 2018 by sambum

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[mercman24]

BLAIR  the war criminal. dont give this man airtime, he is a no body.