Popular Post bert bloggs Posted February 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Bluespunk said: Nothing like a football match. Ridiculous analogy. EDIT: Oh, and by the way...I've never called for another vote... Good because there will not be one . 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sambum Posted February 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Bluespunk said: Nothing like a football match. Ridiculous analogy. EDIT: Oh, and by the way...I've never called for another vote... Not so ridiculous really - if you have a vote and lose by, say, 5%, does that give you the right to call for another vote? If you win, you win - if you lose, you lose -democracy. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air Smiles Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, sambum said: Not so ridiculous really - if you have a vote and lose by, say, 5%, does that give you the right to call for another vote? If you win, you win - if you lose, you lose -democracy. If that is true then why is there an election every 4 years? The referendum was to gauge the will of the people, I don't see the harm in gauging the will of the people again now that far more is known about Brexit. But, it sounds like the Brexiteers are terrified of another referendum as they now realise the mood has shifted ...so democracy is the last thing they want. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 hour ago, bert bloggs said: Good because there will not be one . In a democracy that is not correct. In a dictatorship, or a closed mind or a scared brexiteer...it is always the case. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 9 minutes ago, sambum said: Not so ridiculous really - if you have a vote and lose by, say, 5%, does that give you the right to call for another vote? If you win, you win - if you lose, you lose -democracy. Completely, absolutely, unequivocally ridiculous analogy to compare referendums to football. Also in a democracy, everyone has the right to call or campaign for a new vote. To refuse this right is dictatorship. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Dude Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 On 1/4/2018 at 11:34 AM, smedly said: wonder who is sponsoring his anti brexit rhetoric Wouldn't surprise me if it was that anti-democratic meddling scumbag Soros. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambum Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 13 minutes ago, Air Smiles said: If that is true then why is there an election every 4 years? The referendum was to gauge the will of the people, I don't see the harm in gauging the will of the people again now that far more is known about Brexit. But, it sounds like the Brexiteers are terrified of another referendum as they now realise the mood has shifted ...so democracy is the last thing they want. Now that is a ridiculous comment! They have an election every 4 years because if your political party loses an election, you get the chance to vote again in 4 years time. The referendum was made, and because you don't like the result "Let's have another referendum", and if you don't like the result again "Let's have another referendum", and if you don't like the result again .............. ad infinitum? "A certain poster" will say yes - in fact he did in an earlier post/thread, but that is not my interpretation of democracy! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bert bloggs Posted February 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Bluespunk said: In a democracy that is not correct. In a dictatorship, or a closed mind or a scared brexiteer...it is always the case. Keep on calling me names ,its still not going to happen , i suggest you stop throwing your toys out of the pram , just get on with life . 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambum Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 19 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: Completely, absolutely, unequivocally ridiculous analogy to compare referendums to football. Also in a democracy, everyone has the right to call or campaign for a new vote. To refuse this right is dictatorship. You and I agree on a lot of things, but I am afraid on this one we will have to differ. You are completely, absolutely, unequivocally convinced that you are right, and I disagree. We have both stated our opinion, neither of us are going to change our mind, so I suggest that we consider our discussion on this matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 2 hours ago, bert bloggs said: Good because there will not be one . What, a football match? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 50 minutes ago, bert bloggs said: Keep on calling me names ,its still not going to happen , i suggest you stop throwing your toys out of the pram , just get on with life . Me? Keep telling you, I have never called for another vote. I'm just pointing out the authoritarian streak that saying ''no vote ever again'' reveals. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 48 minutes ago, sambum said: You and I agree on a lot of things, but I am afraid on this one we will have to differ. You are completely, absolutely, unequivocally convinced that you are right, and I disagree. We have both stated our opinion, neither of us are going to change our mind, so I suggest that we consider our discussion on this matter Yep, seems that way. I will never accept it is wrong for someone to exercise their democratic rights. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambum Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Just now, Bluespunk said: Yep, seems that way. I will never accept it is wrong for someone to exercise their democratic rights. For ever and ever and ever - Amen! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 minute ago, sambum said: For ever and ever and ever - Amen! Yep. ;-] 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambum Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Bluespunk said: Yep. ;-] Snap! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Just now, sambum said: Snap! ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambum Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Just now, Bluespunk said: ? Go on - you can have the last word! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post malagateddy Posted February 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2018 Blair..Soros..Obama..Legarde of world bank..Osborne..etc etc All have fingers in "sticky pies"Thankfully the vote was LEAVE !!!!!Sent from my SM-G7102 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post oldlakey Posted February 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Bluespunk said: Me? Keep telling you, I have never called for another vote. I'm just pointing out the authoritarian streak that saying ''no vote ever again'' reveals. Both sides had their chance to speak, then the electorate spoke Its time for all to respect that vote, thats what democracy is all about as far as I am concerned Politicians being what they are who knows whats waiting around the corner Maybe the sour grapes brigade will get their wish only time will tell 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, oldlakey said: Both sides had their chance to speak, then the electorate spoke Its time for all to respect that vote, thats what democracy is all about as far as I am concerned Politicians being what they are who knows whats waiting around the corner Maybe the sour grapes brigade will get their wish only time will tell Democracy is about many things, including exercising your rights. It includes calling for a vote, if that that is your view. It does not include an authoritarian refusal to accept this right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sanemax Posted February 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2018 Just now, Bluespunk said: Democracy is about many things, including exercising your rights. It includes calling for a vote, if that that is your view. It does not include an authoritarian refusal to accept this right. Yes, and that vote was held and the results must be accepted 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post oldlakey Posted February 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2018 Just now, Bluespunk said: Democracy is about many things, including exercising your rights. It includes calling for a vote, if that that is your view. It does not include an authoritarian refusal to accept this right. As several people have pointed out in this thread this could go on for ever if we were stupid enough to allow it The fact is a legal, no hanky panky vote has taken place I will repeat myself, the vote needs to be respected 6 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, oldlakey said: As several people have pointed out in this thread this could go on for ever if we were stupid enough to allow it The fact is a legal, no hanky panky vote has taken place I will repeat myself, the vote needs to be respected That is still no cause to deny people their legitimate, democratic rights. The right to call for a vote needs to be respected. Edited February 20, 2018 by Bluespunk 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post oldlakey Posted February 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2018 Just now, Bluespunk said: That is still no cause to deny people their legitimate, democratic rights. The right to call for a vote vote needs to be respected. OK to end this my last offer is best of five 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Just now, oldlakey said: OK to end this my last offer is best of five I really care what you offer. I’m not calling for a vote. I’m pointing out the authoritarian nature of the intolerance shown to people who exercise their legitimate, democratic rights. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sanemax Posted February 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, oldlakey said: OK to end this my last offer is best of five No, that would be unfair . They should have a vote once every year Voting once every year until the vote is cast as "Remain" That vote shall be binding and there will be no more votes held in the future 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post oldlakey Posted February 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: I really care what you offer. I’m not calling for a vote. I’m pointing out the authoritarian nature of the intolerance shown to people who exercise their legitimate, democratic rights. Bluespunk, if there is one thing I am certain of its the fact that you never have, you are not at the moment and probably never will call for another vote Goodnight 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, oldlakey said: Bluespunk, if there is one thing I am certain of its the fact that you never have, you are not at the moment and probably never will call for another vote Goodnight I don’t need you to tell me what I have said either. I know already. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post oldlakey Posted February 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Bluespunk said: I don’t need you to tell me what I have said either. I know already. You really have no sense of humour do you fellow member Lets say you have stated that on more than one occasion 5555555555 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, oldlakey said: You really have no sense of humour do you fellow member Lets say you have stated that on more than one occasion 5555555555 I have a sense of humour. You just aren't funny. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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