Popular Post tonray Posted February 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2018 Sounds like Tony has some significant investments that are getting hammered and he's looking out for number # 1. Time ran out on the Blair folly long ago. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sambum Posted February 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2018 21 minutes ago, oldlakey said: OK to end this my last offer is best of five You're not going to get anywhere - I for one am fed up of reading "legitimate, democratic rights" As far as I am concerned, we had a referendum, the vote went to leave, therefore end of story. But some people would like it to go on, and on, and on and on, until it goes their way, and say "but we were only exercising our legitimate democratic rights". And THEN, the people who disagree with the result of the SECOND referendum can exercise their "legitimate democratic rights" and demand a THIRD referendum, and a FOURTH if it doesn't go their way! Maybe you are right - the best solution is the best of FIVE! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nong38 Posted February 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2018 Tony is so clever he can only speak to the mirror! What other people think does not matter because he is a souper interlectual! He is so clever, he can remember to take his pants down when he goes to the toilet so there!! That what other people think is irrelevant and simply does not believe all this nonsense about people not loving him and adoring him like some sort of god/savior, therefore he must continue to save GB from the Brexit anomaly where 17.4m people bothered to disregard his guidance, well Tony news for you is you had your vote same as anyone else, accept it, you lost people have worked you out, you are not a Socialist you are worried yo are going to lose a fortune when we leave the EU and as Maggie said..........."just rejoice at that news!" 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldlakey Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 27 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: I have a sense of humour. You just aren't funny. Correct, deadly serious as I am trying to up hold democracy under difficult circumstances 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, oldlakey said: Correct, deadly serious as I am trying to up hold democracy under difficult circumstances Yeah, sure...that’s what you are doing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldlakey Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: Yeah, sure...that’s what you are doing. glad you can at least see that Edited February 20, 2018 by oldlakey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vogie Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 20 minutes ago, nong38 said: Tony is so clever he can only speak to the mirror! What other people think does not matter because he is a souper interlectual! He is so clever, he can remember to take his pants down when he goes to the toilet so there!! That what other people think is irrelevant and simply does not believe all this nonsense about people not loving him and adoring him like some sort of god/savior, therefore he must continue to save GB from the Brexit anomaly where 17.4m people bothered to disregard his guidance, well Tony news for you is you had your vote same as anyone else, accept it, you lost people have worked you out, you are not a Socialist you are worried yo are going to lose a fortune when we leave the EU and as Maggie said..........."just rejoice at that news!" Tony maybe be clever but Joe Public can see through him, here is a graph of his support. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, oldlakey said: glad you can at least see that Oh I can see much more than that when it comes to your posting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post oldlakey Posted February 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2018 Just now, Bluespunk said: Oh I can see much more than that when it comes to your posting. Come come Bluespunk be a man and stand up and be counted What are you insinuating Are you suggesting this is personal or is your insinuation about the content of my posting in general Lets not let this descend into bickering its to important would you not agree on that at least 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, oldlakey said: Come come Bluespunk be a man and stand up and be counted What are you insinuating Are you suggesting this is personal or is your insinuation about the content of my posting in general Lets not let this descend into bickering its to important would you not agree on that at least It is simply that your agenda is clear from your posting. Your unwillingness to accept others have the democratic right to call for another vote is something I find distasteful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post oldlakey Posted February 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Bluespunk said: It is simply that your agenda is clear from your posting. Your unwillingness to accept others have the democratic right to call for another vote is something I find distasteful. Even I have got to hand it to you there a nice sidestep I suggest you exercise a little more caution in future Not excepting a democratic decision is more than distasteful its undemocratic you might want to factor that into your thinking 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 15 minutes ago, oldlakey said: Even I have got to hand it to you there a nice sidestep I suggest you exercise a little more caution in future Not excepting a democratic decision is more than distasteful its undemocratic you might want to factor that into your thinking No sidestep. You can advise me all you want but I will post as I see fit. Keep your advice for those who would have any respect for it. I have at no point not said brexit should not happen. Stupid as it is, the brexiteers got their wish. However, those calling for another vote are not disrespecting anything. It is exercising their rights. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3NUMBAS Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 a chiseling Mr 10% maggot whos only interest is what he can screw somewhere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post oldlakey Posted February 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: No sidestep. You can advise me all you want but I will post as I see fit. Keep your advice for those who would have any respect for it. I have at no point not said brexit should not happen. Stupid as it is, the brexiteers got their wish. However, those calling for another vote are not disrespecting anything. It is exercising their rights. The majority must always take precedence over the minority It is undemocratic to do otherwise You and the others who hold a similar opinion are just cherry picking to suit your agenda 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, oldlakey said: The majority must always take precedence over the minority It is undemocratic to do otherwise You and the others who hold a similar opinion are just cherry picking to suit your agenda No one is stopping brexit. Calling for another vote is exercising legitimate democratic rights. Supporting democratic rights is cherry picking? Yeah right, only in the eyes of the authoritarian. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post oldlakey Posted February 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2018 Just now, Bluespunk said: No one is stopping brexit. Calling for another vote is exercising legitimate democratic rights. Supporting democratic rights is cherry picking? Yeah right, only in the eyes of the authoritarian. Do you actually know what the word democracy means The majority decision carries the day Please explain to me why a minority should be able to cancel out a majority We all have democratic rights but the winners decision must always be sacrosanct Because they lost is not a valid reason 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, oldlakey said: Do you actually know what the word democracy means The majority decision carries the day Please explain to me why a minority should be able to cancel out a majority We all have democratic rights but the winners decision must always be sacrosanct Because they lost is not a valid reason Nobody is cancelling the brexit vote. They are exercising their right to call for another vote. Another vote that may or may not lead to a change in direction. That is not the same as cancelling anything. That is a perfectly legitimate thing to do. That is democracy, no matter how much you maybdislike it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post oldlakey Posted February 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: Nobody is cancelling the brexit vote. They are exercising their right to call for another vote. Another vote that may or may not lead to a change in direction. That is not the same as cancelling anything. That is a perfectly legitimate thing to do. That is democracy, no matter how much you maybdislike it. Bluespunk, why do you keep insisting that the democratic rights of a minority should overturn a democratic decision made by a majority Can you not see that is not a sensible position to take How do you justify it from a democratic point of view Coming from a self professed holder of a very good degree in politics perhaps you have a valid reason for that thinking formed from your degree I am a supporter of real democracy in real life, I am just not a fan of your version 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, oldlakey said: Bluespunk, why do you keep insisting that the democratic rights of a minority should overturn a democratic decision made by a majority Can you not see that is not a sensible position to take How do you justify it from a democratic point of view Coming from a self professed holder of a very good degree in politics perhaps you have a valid reason for that thinking formed from your degree I am a supporter of real democracy in real life, I am just not a fan of your version Don’t tell me what I am saying, if you are unable to grasp simple facts. . Calling for a vote is a democratic right. One wonders why brexiteers are so worried by this. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jip99 Posted February 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: Calling for a vote is a democratic right. Didn't we do that already ? We only need to win once.... 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jip99 said: Didn't we do that already ? We only need to win once.... We? I didn’t vote, don’t want to vote, won’t vote if there is another vote. The brexiteers won and shall reap the consequences of the vote, whatever they may be. Still doesn’t negate the right for others to call for another vote. That’s democracy. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post oldlakey Posted February 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: Don’t tell me what I am saying, if you are unable to grasp simple facts. . Calling for a vote is a democratic right. One wonders why brexiteers are so worried by this. I am not telling you what you are saying because I dont have to, simply because its pretty clear what you are saying I wont comment again on your second line as its apparent it would do no good in a democratic sense anyway 555555555 One must stop wondering and give a brexiteer the third degree to obtain a answer The good news for you is that you wont have to canvas them all as I know a minority decision will be quite acceptable for your purposes 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Just now, oldlakey said: I am not telling you what you are saying because I dont have to, simply because its pretty clear what you are saying I wont comment again on your second line as its apparent it would do no good in a democratic sense anyway 555555555 One must stop wondering and give a brexiteer the third degree to obtain a answer The good news for you is that you wont have to canvas them all as I know a minority decision will be quite acceptable for your purposes My purposes? You mean supporting the legitimacy of others to call for a vote? Don't need a decision on that. It’s already an established democratic right. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post oldlakey Posted February 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: My purposes? You mean supporting the legitimacy of others to call for a vote? Don't need a decision on that. It’s already an established democratic right. Sorry Bluespunk but the losers have already exercised their democratic right It was a home win for the Brits, I dont think we will be relegated we as a nation have too much backbone and guts our history proves it beyond a shadow of a doubt It might be 1-00 AM here rather late for me but I spotted what you did there You dropped the another in this Post I am replying to as against the usual their democratic right to call for another vote Nice try but you will need to get up earlier than that as the old Brit saying goes Edited February 20, 2018 by oldlakey 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, oldlakey said: Sorry Bluespunk but the losers have already exercised their democratic right It was a home win for the Brits, I dont think we will be relegated we as a nation have too much backbone and guts our history proves it beyond a shadow of a doubt It might be 1-00 AM here rather late for me but I spotted what you did there You dropped the another in this Post I am replying to as against the usual their democratic right to call for another vote Nice try but you will need to get up earlier than that as the old Brit saying goes Perhaps when you are more awake later today you will explain what on earth you are rambling about here. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post oldlakey Posted February 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: Perhaps when you are more awake later today you will explain what on earth you are rambling about here. You are just being evasive now Bluespunk 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambum Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Just now, oldlakey said: You are just being evasive now Bluespunk I think I know where this is heading - nowhere, and the powers that be will be closing the thread down! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 minute ago, oldlakey said: You are just being evasive now Bluespunk No. That post made no sense whatsoever. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldlakey Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 minute ago, sambum said: I think I know where this is heading - nowhere, and the powers that be will be closing the thread down! Yes you are correct Thats me done 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Scott Posted February 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2018 Please get back to the topic. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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