Tony Blair warns British voters: time is running out to stop Brexit folly

[F4UCorsair]

Democracy doesn't demand anything whatsoever other than legal requirements and there is no legal requirement not to run another referendum. The decision whether to run another referendum is also not a legal matter, it is a political decision and that is the responsibility of Parliament. Confusing the legality of the electoral process of running a referendum with that of the decision whether to run another one is what is referred to as a fake pass. A contribution above of confusion and mess.

Yep, and the losers of the second referendum don't like the result so demand another vote. Where does it stop??

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[F4UCorsair]

I really care what you offer. I’m not calling for a vote. 
 
I’m  pointing out the authoritarian nature of the intolerance shown to people who exercise their legitimate, democratic rights. 

That's the intolerance of those who exercised their democratic right and voted to leave??

Glad we have that sorted out.

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[Scott]

Troll post removed. 

[Bluespunk]

6 hours ago, F4UCorsair said:

That's the intolerance of those who exercised their democratic right and voted to leave??

Glad we have that sorted out.

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No it’s not and no you didn’t. 

[malagateddy]

Look folks..the wonderful deed was done..the majority of those who voted in the referendum voted to LEAVE.
Please accept this fact and move on with your lifes..life is short so enjoy it whilst you can

A very happy Brexiteer

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[pagallim]

[malagateddy]

Excellent stuff Pagellim

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[sambum]

13 hours ago, F4UCorsair said:

Yep, and the losers of the second referendum don't like the result so demand another vote. Where does it stop??

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See # Post 396!

[thaibeachlovers]

If Blair is against it, stands to reason that Brexit is the right thing to do.

That man didn't do a single thing right during the time I was in the UK. How anyone could turn the Tories surplus into a deficit without showing anything for it is beyond me.

My memory of him will always be of him walking with Bush while wearing that awful pullover and grovelling in the presence of his master.

I don't think he ever apologised for taking Britain into the Iraq war on a lie.

[malagateddy]

Correct big time

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[nontabury]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If Blair is against it, stands to reason that Brexit is the right thing to do.

That man didn't do a single thing right during the time I was in the UK. How anyone could turn the Tories surplus into a deficit without showing anything for it is beyond me.

My memory of him will always be of him walking with Bush while wearing that awful pullover and grovelling in the presence of his master.

I don't think he ever apologised for taking Britain into the Iraq war on a lie.

Agree, he and his side kick Gordon Bigot Brown have much to answer for.

 

 

[observer90210]

And who asked him to come back ?!!!...really really...

[SheungWan]

On 2/21/2018 at 2:05 AM, F4UCorsair said:

Yep, and the losers of the second referendum don't like the result so demand another vote. Where does it stop??
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Nothing stops. Any decision re referendums is the prerogative of Parliament. Not only that, no single Parliament can oblige subsequent Parliaments what to do (other than that established by parliamentary procedure, precedent and convention). It is unfortunate that most Brexiteers do not seem to have the faintest idea of how parliamentary democracy works.

Edited February 23, 2018 by SheungWan

[nontabury]

9 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Nothing stops. Any decision re referendums is the prerogative of Parliament. Not only that, no single Parliament can oblige subsequent Parliaments what to do (other than that established by parliamentary procedure, precedent and convention). It is unfortunate that most Brexiteers do not seem to have the faintest idea of how parliamentary democracy works.

 

We all know that many of them are arrogant and pompous, but woe betides any M.P that goes against the will of the electorate. A prime example is Anna Souabry. Next election, she’s history.

 

 

[nauseus]

41 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Nothing stops. Any decision re referendums is the prerogative of Parliament. Not only that, no single Parliament can oblige subsequent Parliaments what to do (other than that established by parliamentary procedure, precedent and convention). It is unfortunate that most Brexiteers do not seem to have the faintest idea of how parliamentary democracy works.

In this case Parliament used its prerogative to allow the referendum but it does not have the same moral or constitutional power to confound the result, acceptable to it, or not. Future Parliaments do not have that power either.

[SheungWan]

9 hours ago, SheungWan said:

Nothing stops. Any decision re referendums is the prerogative of Parliament. Not only that, no single Parliament can oblige subsequent Parliaments what to do (other than that established by parliamentary procedure, precedent and convention). It is unfortunate that most Brexiteers do not seem to have the faintest idea of how parliamentary democracy works.

 

8 hours ago, nauseus said:

In this case Parliament used its prerogative to allow the referendum but it does not have the same moral or constitutional power to confound the result, acceptable to it, or not. Future Parliaments do not have that power either.

As I was saying! However, this does not prevent some Brexiteers from bringing up totally bogus arguments which have no legal basis whatsoever. See that weasel word confound? Meaningless. Parliament has every right to undertake another referendum. Reversing a result = confound a result? Oh yes. In the Brexiteer parallel universe it does. No wonder Brexiteers ended up labelling State institutions as Enemies of the People. That's where they end up. Every time.

Edited February 24, 2018 by SheungWan

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, SheungWan said:

 

As I was saying! However, this does not prevent some Brexiteers from bringing up totally bogus arguments which have no legal basis whatsoever. See that weasel word confound? Meaningless. Parliament has every right to undertake another referendum. Reversing a result = confound a result? Oh yes. In the Brexiteer parallel universe it does. No wonder Brexiteers ended up labelling State institutions as Enemies of the People. That's where they end up. Every time.

This decision was given to the people and it's obvious you think that was both the wrong thing to do AND illegal. You and the rest of the remoaners are in fact the weasels, who are prepared to take or support any measures that will void or spoil the result.

 

The EU referendum was obviously necessary due to the result itself. If this result is eventually basically ignored by government(s) then the damage to the UK will be far greater that any consequences of leaving Club Med. Your labels are yours, not mine, Margaret.  

Edited February 24, 2018 by nauseus

[Grouse]

Is this the Brexit thread now? How ironic!

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/22/jeremy-corbyn-could-back-remaining-in-eu-customs-union

 

Common sense from The Grauniad for a change. Looks pretty obvious to me.

 

Actually, TM should just abandon the whole Brexit farce and then resign. The UK has become a laughing stock.

[jinners]

15 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Is this the Brexit thread now? How ironic!

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/22/jeremy-corbyn-could-back-remaining-in-eu-customs-union

 

Common sense from The Grauniad for a change. Looks pretty obvious to me.

 

Actually, TM should just abandon the whole Brexit farce and then resign. The UK has become a laughing stock.

Yes T Maybe has made a <deleted> of it, but what gives you the right to suggest a democratically taken vote should be overturned? Ooops sorry, Grauniad reader and Corbynite. Bring Brexit on, I have no respect for those with out any respect for others, and that applies to pretty much every remoaner out there with their fake news and slanted arguments. Today Airbus said we are committed to staying within the UK. Siemens said we see many more positives than negatives to staying within the UK. As pretty much every inflated fantasy of project fear grinds to a halt. Goldman Sachs, Nissan, need I go on?

[nauseus]

16 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Is this the Brexit thread now? How ironic!

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/22/jeremy-corbyn-could-back-remaining-in-eu-customs-union

 

Common sense from The Grauniad for a change. Looks pretty obvious to me.

 

Actually, TM should just abandon the whole Brexit farce and then resign. The UK has become a laughing stock.

A farce is what it would be if we ignore the referendum result and stay in just to avoid embarrassment. 

 

The EU is as at least as disjointed as the UK Government is right now. And it's going to get a lot worse.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, Grouse said:

Is this the Brexit thread now? How ironic!

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/22/jeremy-corbyn-could-back-remaining-in-eu-customs-union

 

Common sense from The Grauniad for a change. Looks pretty obvious to me.

 

Actually, TM should just abandon the whole Brexit farce and then resign. The UK has become a laughing stock.

IMO the UK lost it when they joined the common market and shafted their real friends, but regardless, IMO May is THE laughing stock and should definitely resign. Pity that they didn't have anyone better suited instead before the last election. I wonder if Cameron cries every morning when he wakes up and realises what he did by resigning?

[dick dasterdly]

2 hours ago, Grouse said:

Is this the Brexit thread now? How ironic!

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/22/jeremy-corbyn-could-back-remaining-in-eu-customs-union

 

Common sense from The Grauniad for a change. Looks pretty obvious to me.

 

Actually, TM should just abandon the whole Brexit farce and then resign. The UK has become a laughing stock.

You're quite right, there is no brexit' thread now.

 

To look on the bright side Blair calling to stop the 'brexit folly' is probably the most indicative thread possible !

 

Edit - fingers crossed that this remains the main 'brexit thread' - as it gives everyone a good reason to support brexit, and always refer back to 'blair supports remain' !

 

Edited February 24, 2018 by dick dasterdly

[dick dasterdly]

12 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO the UK lost it when they joined the common market and shafted their real friends, but regardless, IMO May is THE laughing stock and should definitely resign. Pity that they didn't have anyone better suited instead before the last election. I wonder if Cameron cries every morning when he wakes up and realises what he did by resigning?

"IMO the UK lost it when they joined the common market and shafted their real friends"

I agree and have never understood why the voting populace agreed to join the eec.

[malagateddy]

Perhaps they were/still are being "indoctrinated" at schools/univercities etc etc.

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[thaibeachlovers]

16 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

"IMO the UK lost it when they joined the common market and shafted their real friends"

I agree and have never understood why the voting populace agreed to join the eec.

Without looking it up, I would believe that the politicians lied through their teeth about how wonderful it was going to be.

However, wasn't it supposed to be just a sort of super free trade group? All the political junk was levered in later.

However, coming from a small country that sent many to die in Britain's wars, to be shafted by Britain ( as we were ) is unforgivable, IMO.

[nontabury]

15 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

Perhaps they were/still are being "indoctrinated" at schools/univercities etc etc.

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Correct, my own son was subject to a biased Remoaning teacher in his class at an international school in Thailand. Was this an isolated instance, I think not.

[dick dasterdly]

11 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

Perhaps they were/still are being "indoctrinated" at schools/univercities etc etc.

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Hardly, as the majority of the electorate were far from 'school' age.

 

I was around 15 at the time, but my limited knowledge didn't stop me from realising it  was going to result in higher prices....

[oldlakey]

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Without looking it up, I would believe that the politicians lied through their teeth about how wonderful it was going to be.

However, wasn't it supposed to be just a sort of super free trade group? All the political junk was levered in later.

However, coming from a small country that sent many to die in Britain's wars, to be shafted by Britain ( as we were ) is unforgivable, IMO.

Which country would that be then, just curious

My guess would be OZ

Am I warm

[Grouse]

10 hours ago, jinners said:

Yes T Maybe has made a <deleted> of it, but what gives you the right to suggest a democratically taken vote should be overturned? Ooops sorry, Grauniad reader and Corbynite. Bring Brexit on, I have no respect for those with out any respect for others, and that applies to pretty much every remoaner out there with their fake news and slanted arguments. Today Airbus said we are committed to staying within the UK. Siemens said we see many more positives than negatives to staying within the UK. As pretty much every inflated fantasy of project fear grinds to a halt. Goldman Sachs, Nissan, need I go on?

I am no corbynite.

 

I am also not a moron; Brexit should be canned forthwith.

[Grouse]

7 hours ago, nontabury said:

Correct, my own son was subject to a biased Remoaning teacher in his class at an international school in Thailand. Was this an isolated instance, I think not.

Must be a good school. Which one?