Extradition of Yingluck not easy: PM Prayut

[baboon]

3 hours ago, Odysseus123 said:

"Here we go 'round the mulberry bush

the mulberry bush..

the mulberry bush

Here we go 'round the mulberry bush

So early in the morning!"

 

[Mickmouse1]

3 hours ago, ukrules said:

Don't rule out the possibility that she might also have a British passport and could have held one for many years.

That will not give her immunity from facilities get justice in Thailand if she is a dual national. I am sure it is stated in the UK PASSPORTS?

[nong38]

If its not easy best do something that is, massage the Tourists numbers coming to paradise for a knees up.

[Mickmouse1]

Then stop messing around and wasting money

[Serviceman78]

Come on now, if they REALLY wanted her back, run a black bag operation. Drug her, put a hood over her head, fly her covertly (she doesn't have to know who picked her up) and drop her off in front of a Thai prison lol. Problem solved!

[JAG]

Come on now, if they REALLY wanted her back, run a black bag operation. Drug her, put a hood over her head, fly her covertly (she doesn't have to know who picked her up) and drop her off in front of a Thai prison lol. Problem solved!

Once they have accomplished that, then they can set their minds to getting people to wear crash helmets on motorcycles[emoji4] [emoji4] [emoji4]

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[worgeordie]

Even my cat knows they dont really want her back in Thailand,

causing problems,followers demonstrating,but in the effort to

save a bit of face by saying they will do everything to get her

back,  (after they were the ones that let her escape in first place,

just like they knew Thaksin was not going to be returning from 

the Olympics) a comedy of errors.

regards worgeordie

[Muggi1968]

Why not just let the UK keep her...

Yess she is a beautiful woman but do we really need her in  Thailand ?????

[dinsdale]

They don't want her back. Can't afford to send her to jail and make a martyr of her. 

[klauskunkel]

4 hours ago, webfact said:

“Please don’t make this a domestic issue,” Prayut said.

Your Defense Minister buddy in charge of security made it an international issue when he let her escape to a foreign country, while he was busy playing with his burrowed watches.

Is there no one in the government who can play at being inept in a more competent way? Your befuddled attempts at explaining things make my brain hurt.

[Andybristol20032003]

Wish they would leave her alone and go after the influential drinks manufacturer guy who murdered someone,  but is allowed to get away with it 

[Bill Miller]

From the existing extradition treaty between the UK and Thailand, which some soi disant "experts" have claimed does not exist:

ARTICLE 5

A fugitive criminal shall not be surrendered if the offence in respect of which his surrender is demanded is deemed by the Party on whom the demand is made to be one of a political character or if he prove that the requisition for his surrender has in fact been made with a view to try or punish him for an offence of a political character.

And:
"...the verdict of the Supreme Court’s Criminal Division for Political Office Holders."

Any questions? How could a conviction by a "...Criminal Division for Political Office Holders." be considered as anything but "...of a political character"?

[stament]

3 hours ago, ukrules said:

Don't rule out the possibility that she might also have a British passport and could have held one for many years.

highly doubtful, on what basis are you saying this? she would have had to have lived in the UK for a number of years to obtain one. Do you have knowledge of her living there long enough in order for it to be even a possibility?

 

You cant buy a UK passport and citizenship like you can in other countries.

 

I do think though if they thought they were going to get into trouble and the writing was on the wall they have the resources to purchase a passport and citiznship from other countries, and think this is what is likely to have happened.

[Becker]

1 hour ago, steven100 said:

Anti-government protesters carry signs against ousted Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra as they march in central Bangkok.

 

 

Activists marking the fact that watch # 18 has been spotted on Prawit's arm, although this one is only worth a paltry 1.5 million Baht.

 

 

 

 

PS. Have you booked your flight out of Thailand yet for when the Shins are back in power? Time is quickly running out for the dinos currently in charge and Air Asia has a sale so hurry up Steven, buddy!!!

[Mattd]

6 minutes ago, stament said:

You cant buy a UK passport and citizenship like you can in other countries.

Unfortunately it seems that you might have been able to: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/04/golden-visa-immigration-deal-british-citizenship-home-office

[YetAnother]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

Prime Minister Gen Prayut Chan-o-cha yesterday admitted that the extradition process was “generally uneasy”.

 

“Could we even get the other ex-PM back? Did they send him back?” Prayut said,

am generally uneasy about using inane phrases;

according to the wiki definition of criminal negligence, assuming the UK has access to the facts at trial, and despite that case being tried here in what was political persecution, her conviction will not rise to the standard for UK extradition;

indeed it does not even rise to the criminal standard of her brother, who apparently has not even come close to being extradited;

i believe that when weighing all the facts , the UK will come to the conclusion there are more grounds for asylum than extradition;

then the extradition game is over 

[lonewolf99]

here are a few countries that sell passports that Khun Yinluck could use.

I would go for St Kitts if I had 250,000 U.S. and the Shins have plenty of them....it is also a former British Colony so no real problems travelling to the UK.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/passports-for-cash-the-countries-selling-citizenship-to-tax-havens-10104087.html

[Bill Miller]

"Even without an Interpol arrest warrant ...".
I keep seeing references to this including in announcements from The Powers.
There is no such thing as "an Interpol arrest warrant". An Interpol Red Notice is an advisory to other members of the Interpol community that an arrest warrant has been issued by a fellow member state, and that co-operation in the arrest and extradition of said fugitive would be appreciated. Interpol does not have any authority to compel a given member state to do this. Furthermore Interpol itself has set certain standards for issuing such a notice and it is almost certain that Yingluck's situation does not fit:
 

"Legal basis

A Notice is published only if it fulfils all conditions for processing the information. For example, a Notice will not be published if it violates Article 3 of the INTERPOL Constitution, which forbids the Organization from undertaking any intervention or activities of a political, military, religious or racial character."

The verdict was handed down by a special division for political crimes, and under the jurisdiction of a usurping military junta. Two conditions which would at least give the Interpol General Secretariat cause to consider carefully before acceding to a Red Notice request.

 

[evadgib]

 

[Shoeless Joe]

3 hours ago, Odysseus123 said:

If all the smug talking heads were replaced by cardboard cutouts would you,instinctively, be able to spot  the difference?

Yes...Thailand would be run more effectively and efficiently!

[outsider]

The General has not received official report on YL's whereabouts. But Boris Johnson has already informed them that YL was in London - in September. Ok, the matter will be dealt in accordance with relevant legal process. Right...

 

What a a bunch of bumbling, idiotic muppets.

 

 

[SpeakeasyThai]

5 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

They are so full of it!

 

"Cat and mouse" game? I read in both English papers that she was in the UK several months ago. There was no "cat and mouse" game.

 

The reason that the government do not request the extradition of Yingluck (or Thaksin) is that they were democratically leaders of |Thailand who were supplanted by the military via coup. Were the Junta to request extradition, it would be turned down officially because both would claim that they were put on trial by the military who supplanted them in a coup. 

 

Or put another way...

 

...the international community would brand Thailand's Justice system as unfair, unreliable and untrustworthy.

 

It would be a humiliation.

 

And we all know how they cannot handle loss of face with their fragile Thai mentality

[stament]

1 hour ago, James HKT said:

The UK government will probably take the view that Yingluck was a democratically elected leader who was ousted in a military coup and any request for ex-tradition by those same unelected military leaders would be refused to protect the principal of democracy. This must have been discussed behind closed doors already and no request has been made, or probably will be. If an application was to be made it would have been already, as soon as evidence appeared that she was in London.

 

It makes no difference what passport she entered the UK on, it would still show her name and DOB, the UK Immigration authorities would have know immediately she enterered the UK. Even without an Interpol arrest warrant the British security services would put a flag by the name of anyone of interest, and a fleeing ex prime minister would be of interest. 

 

Even if she or her brother were to come back it would cause so must instability here that it is far better they continue their exile, for ever.

agree

[kevden]

It would have been preferable to prevent her fleeing. Ensuring she remained within Thailand, (especially in the days leading to the Court decision) should have been less difficult than an extradition. 

[jayboy]

48 minutes ago, YetAnother said:

am generally uneasy about using inane phrases;

according to the wiki definition of criminal negligence, assuming the UK has access to the facts at trial, and despite that case being tried here in what was political persecution, her conviction will not rise to the standard for UK extradition;

indeed it does not even rise to the criminal standard of her brother, who apparently has not even come close to being extradited;

i believe that when weighing all the facts , the UK will come to the conclusion there are more grounds for asylum than extradition;

then the extradition game is over 

More than that.For extradition the relevant crime has also to be a serious crime in the country from which extradition is sought.For the UK authorities and most other people it isn't even clear she has committed a crime at all.

[samsensam]

4 hours ago, Odysseus123 said:

Actually...they are not putting any effort into it at all.

 

39 wild and whimsical topics on TVF does not constitute "effort" in my book.

 

If all the smug talking heads were replaced by cardboard cutouts would you,instinctively, be able to spot  the difference?

 

of course they are not putting any effort in returning her to the country, it's the last thing they want. it's all about retaining some 'face'. they let her abscond in the first place to remove the potential domestic strife if she remained in the country and became a polarising point, even martyr, for the discontented and/or poor.

 

 

[xen]

Do they, meaning the government and the string pullers, really want her back in the country. It will mean further trials and custody all the while she gathers support from the grieved redshirts and other supporters. Easier and cheaper to pretend they don't know where she is. Out of sight, out of mind.!

 

Put your hands over your eyes and the world disappears -(old Thai proverb).

[xen]

Do they, meaning the government and the string pullers, really want her back in the country. It will mean further trials and custody all the while she gathers support from the grieved redshirts and other supporters. Easier and cheaper to pretend they don't know where she is. Out of sight, out of mind.!

 

Put your hands over your eyes and the world disappears -(old Thai proverb).

[Odysseus123]

21 minutes ago, outsider said:

The General has not received official report on YL's whereabouts. But Boris Johnson has already informed them that YL was in London - in September. Ok, the matter will be dealt in accordance with relevant legal process. Right...

 

What a a bunch of bumbling, idiotic muppets.

 

 

Yes,but wouldn't

 

 you agree that it is far safer for us all if they continue in their phantsasmagorical view of themselves?

I would think that an honest appraisal of their astounding society might create some alarm and despondwncy

[metisdead]

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