SURVEY: Do you want Trump to finish his first term?

[Expatthailover]

Would much prefer ( and expect ) a shameful denunciation of the man.

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, Silurian said:

Winning! Um, which side said that again?

 

 

That's encouraging, but Democrats need to groom more under-70 (ideally under-60) candidates for high office.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

That's encouraging, but Democrats need to groom more under-70 (ideally under-60) candidates for high office.

So far I like Corey Booker best on that list. The higher numbers for Biden and Sanders are likely about name recognition. Most on the list aren't very old. 

[heybruce]

4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

So far I like Corey Booker best on that list. The higher numbers for Biden and Sanders are likely about name recognition. Most on the list aren't very old. 

Elizabeth Warren will be 71 by election day in 2020.  I would certainly vote for her over anything remotely Trumpish, but I'd like to see someone younger. 

 

Corey Booker shows promise, but I hope to have a choice of several (or at least a few) decent alternatives during the primaries. 

 

I'd also like to see Democrat voters act like adults and support the Democratic candidate even if he/she isn't their first choice.  People sitting out the general election or voting third party put Trump in the White House.

Edited March 29, 2018 by heybruce

[Jingthing]

Elizabeth Warren will be 71 by election day in 2020.  I would certainly vote for her over anything remotely Trumpish, but I'd like to see someone younger.   

Corey Booker shows promise, but I hope to have a choice of several (or at least a few) decent alternatives during the primaries. 

 

I'd also like to see Democrat voters act like adults and support the Democratic candidate even if he/she isn't their first choice.  People sitting out the general election or voting third party put Trump in the White House.

 

Don't worry. There will likely be 20 or 30 demo contenders! Still very early.  

I guess one big question will be about name recognition. Booker has decent name recognition but many of the candidates will have much less or close to none.

 

Better name recognition doesn't necessarily mean better of course.

 

But if Bernie runs he'll have a big leg up. Personally I don't want Bernie or Warren to run but I'm sure Warren will.

 

Then there's Biden. Can of worms with that one.

 

Overall pretty wide open.

 

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[EVENKEEL]

3 hours ago, heybruce said:

Elizabeth Warren will be 71 by election day in 2020.  I would certainly vote for her over anything remotely Trumpish, but I'd like to see someone younger. 

 

Corey Booker shows promise, but I hope to have a choice of several (or at least a few) decent alternatives during the primaries. 

 

I'd also like to see Democrat voters act like adults and support the Democratic candidate even if he/she isn't their first choice.  People sitting out the general election or voting third party put Trump in the White House.

Folks voting with their pocketbook and HRC put Trump in the White House.

[heybruce]

1 minute ago, EVENKEEL said:

Folks voting with their pocketbook and HRC put Trump in the White House.

"their pocketbooks"?  Since the economy did well under Obama, I assume you are referring to tax cuts resulting in trillion dollar deficits.  That's voting their credit cards, and the payment will come due.

[Jingthing]

Folks voting with their pocketbook and HRC put Trump in the White House.

No it was about white resentment that put the demagogue narrowly over the top with a minority of votes. Very divisive.

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[lannarebirth]

9 hours ago, heybruce said:

That's encouraging, but Democrats need to groom more under-70 (ideally under-60) candidates for high office.

Ideally, under 50. Nader's too old, Bernie's too old, Biden's too old and as he emerges from the relative gravitas of his VP' ncy people will begin to remember why he was such a laughingstock for so many years. There's nobody there that I can see.

[GinBoy2]

I'm pretty much aligned with the idea that that list is a name recognition phenomenon above all else.

The bottom 3 I would actually consider viable candidates and it might break the Democrats away from the shackles of the 'soon to be octogenarians' and the Pelosi old guard and breathe some new life and thinking.

The odd one that is missing in my opinion, is Gavin Newsom. Very well known within California, ex Mayor of SF and currently Lieutenant Governor. I thought he would have a run for it, but he seems pretty content to be running for Governor to replace Jerry Brown.

Then again, maybe he's smartest of all. Have term as Governor, let the dust settle after what is sure to a chaotic 2020 cycle, then be the adult in the room in 2024.

......now where's my crystal ball again?????

[Jingthing]

Gavin has not been on any of the LONGER lists I've seen. Yes, he should be Governor first. 

 

Here's a longer list --

 

http://www.paywallnews.com/news/Analysis-|-The-top-15-Democratic-presidential-candidates-for-2020--ranked.BkgIxA8M9M.html

This "sleeper" has gotten a good bit of attention recently as he's about to receive a "Profiles in Courage" award. I wasn't aware of him before but he presents himself very impressively. Smart without coming off as elitist. Such a contrast to that ridiculous hot mess we've got now. 

 

The idea of a white southerner that has effectively addressed race running against birther boy "trump" is pretty exciting too. 

 

But likely he's just flavor of the week with many more flavors to consider later. 

 

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New Orleans Mayor Mitch Landrieu

Here's a sleeper for you. The mayor has gotten plaudits for his stewardship of the Big Easy and his compelling speaking style, sometimes earning comparisons to another Southern Democrat by the name of Bill Clinton. Anyone unfamiliar with Landrieu should read about his May 2017 speech on race. He played down the possibility of running for president this week, though, telling Trevor Noah, “You never say never,” but “at the moment, I can’t see a pathway.”

 

 

 

To add, this choice is really important as it's very important to beat "trump" if he's there in 2020. ANY incumbent including one as horribly awful as "trump" has a huge built in advantage. The democratic choice had better be good. 

 

Edited March 29, 2018 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

Some interesting details on "trump's" history with lawyers and his current problems with them along with a lot of theories as well.

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Defenseless

Trump desperately needs a crack legal team. But his lawyers are no match for Mueller, and no sane attorney would join them now.

Donald Trump has no real lawyers. Or, to put it more precisely, he has no lawyers capable of representing him as he navigates Robert Mueller’s ever more perilous Russia probe.

 

 

 

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/03/jay-sekulow-michael-cohen-and-the-rest-of-trumps-legal-team-are-no-match-for-robert-mueller.html

Edited March 29, 2018 by Jingthing

[EVENKEEL]

Before Trump wasn't going to finish term, now folks are discussing Dem candidates for 2020. Am I the only one who sees the humor in this?

[heybruce]

33 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Before Trump wasn't going to finish term, now folks are discussing Dem candidates for 2020. Am I the only one who sees the humor in this?

Could be, most people don't find humor in unrelated things.  There will be an election on 2020 regardless of who is in the White House.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

Before Trump wasn't going to finish term, now folks are discussing Dem candidates for 2020. Am I the only one who sees the humor in this?

Nothing new. It's very hard to remove a sitting president, even a criminally corrupt one. I take your post as just another obnoxious taunt. Boring and repetitive. 

Edited March 29, 2018 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

Posted to relate to "trump's" self destructive anti-"globalist" trade policies --

 

 

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Globalization’s Backlash Is Here, at Just the Wrong Time

...

In short, the anti-globalization drive that is spreading across the Western world may be coming at exactly the wrong time — too late to do much to save the working-class jobs that were lost, but early enough to risk damaging the ability of rich nations to sell advanced goods and services to the rapidly expanding global middle class.

 

 

http://www.paywallnews.com/nocat/Globalization’s-Backlash-Is-Here--at-Just-the-Wrong-Time.Hy-f2Wif9f.html

[Khun Han]

30 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Posted to relate to "trump's" self destructive anti-"globalist" trade policies --

Globalization’s Backlash Is Here, at Just the Wrong Time

...

In short, the anti-globalization drive that is spreading across the Western world may be coming at exactly the wrong time — too late to do much to save the working-class jobs that were lost, but early enough to risk damaging the ability of rich nations to sell advanced goods and services to the rapidly expanding global middle class.

 

 

http://www.paywallnews.com/nocat/Globalization’s-Backlash-Is-Here--at-Just-the-Wrong-Time.Hy-f2Wif9f.html

 

Aren't employment rates up in the USA under Trump's presidency?

[simple1]

Fired Veterans Affairs Secretary claims he was dismissed for resisting privatisation. Trump draining the swamp - LOL.

 

http://time.com/5220404/david-shulkin-fired-blame/

 

Edited March 29, 2018 by simple1

[Andaman Al]

2 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Before Trump wasn't going to finish term, now folks are discussing Dem candidates for 2020. Am I the only one who sees the humor in this?

Oh, I didn't know about this rule, is it new? So if Trump is kicked out early and doesn't finish his term will there be no election in 2020? I think the humour is not in Dems starting to discuss candidates, but Trump having already commenced his campaigning. Now THAT's funny! Am I the only one who sees the humour in this?

[lannarebirth]

1 minute ago, Andaman Al said:

Oh, I didn't know about this rule, is it new? So if Trump is kicked out early and doesn't finish his term will there be no election in 2020? I think the humour is not in Dems starting to discuss candidates, but Trump having already commenced his campaigning. Now THAT's funny! Am I the only one who sees the humour in this?

He is collecting funds towards a speculative 2020 campaign. If you knew all the things those funds can be used for you wouldn't think it so funny. Legal expenses arising out of the performance of his official duties can be paid from those funds for instance.

[Khun Han]

23 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Fired Veterans Affairs Secretary claims he was dismissed for resisting privatisation. Trump draining the swamp - LOL.

 

http://time.com/5220404/david-shulkin-fired-blame/

 

 

Oh, the VA needs draining alright. Look at the debacle over HepC (an issue which has blighted the VA since Vietnam). One of it's employees found the cure, on the VA's coin, in VA time, using VA guinea pigs. He was allowed to export it to a private company he subsequently set up (Pharmasett), and then sold it on to Gilead Life Sciences for about 400 Million Dollars.

[simple1]

1 hour ago, Khun Han said:

 

Oh, the VA needs draining alright. Look at the debacle over HepC (an issue which has blighted the VA since Vietnam). One of it's employees found the cure, on the VA's coin, in VA time, using VA guinea pigs. He was allowed to export it to a private company he subsequently set up (Pharmasett), and then sold it on to Gilead Life Sciences for about 400 Million Dollars.

Which was before the dismissed Secretary's tenure. Outsourcing of Public Sector has generally been a disaster e.g. NHS and CSC contract

[heybruce]

6 hours ago, Khun Han said:

 

Oh, the VA needs draining alright. Look at the debacle over HepC (an issue which has blighted the VA since Vietnam). One of it's employees found the cure, on the VA's coin, in VA time, using VA guinea pigs. He was allowed to export it to a private company he subsequently set up (Pharmasett), and then sold it on to Gilead Life Sciences for about 400 Million Dollars.

I looked for the debacle and couldn't find it.  Can you provide a link?

[Khun Han]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

I looked for the debacle and couldn't find it.  Can you provide a link?

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.military.com/daily-news/2016/02/05/former-va-scientist-responds-to-lawmakers-suspicions-drug-sale.html/amp

Edited March 30, 2018 by Khun Han

[heybruce]

29 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.military.com/daily-news/2016/02/05/former-va-scientist-responds-to-lawmakers-suspicions-drug-sale.html/amp

Thank you.  The circumstances of the development of this drug certainly warrant investigation.  Fortunately it looks like it is being investigated.  However what I found to be most scandalous was:

 

" It's also expensive in the U.S., where a standard course of treatment can cost more than $80,000. The VA gets a discount for veterans -- paying about half of that figure, or $40,000, for the eight-week course per veteran."

 

" However, the cost to the VA to treat hepatitis C patients with the drug is significantly higher than the $900 for the same course of treatment in some other countries."

 

US pharmaceutical companies are price gouging like crazy, and no one in Washington is doing anything about it.

[Khun Han]

49 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Thank you.  The circumstances of the development of this drug certainly warrant investigation.  Fortunately it looks like it is being investigated.  However what I found to be most scandalous was:

 

" It's also expensive in the U.S., where a standard course of treatment can cost more than $80,000. The VA gets a discount for veterans -- paying about half of that figure, or $40,000, for the eight-week course per veteran."

 

" However, the cost to the VA to treat hepatitis C patients with the drug is significantly higher than the $900 for the same course of treatment in some other countries."

 

US pharmaceutical companies are price gouging like crazy, and no one in Washington is doing anything about it.

 

Yes, I couldn't agree more. VA patients were being triaged because of this, and some were going to people like Greg Jefferys and Dr James Freeman (fixhepc) to buy the cheap generics themselves. And, even worse, Gilead have lobbied extensively to stop the importation of these cheap generics. Both Greg and Jimmy have received death threats, and regularly have their websites DDoS'd, and their emails hacked.

[Jingthing]

A fresh flavor today in impeachment porn.

BRIBERY!

Is "trump" our briber in chief?

As it often says -- we'll see what happens.

 

 

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WASHINGTON POST 
Why Robert Mueller could be considering bribery charges

Reports of floated pardon offers could give Mueller a way around some legal uncertainties.

...

Much of the news coverage has focused on whether offering pardons to induce a witness not to cooperate in the special counsel’s investigation could constitute obstruction of justice. But there is another potential charge that could apply more directly and that prosecutors might have reason to favor: conspiracy to commit bribery.

 

 

http://www.paywallnews.com/life/Opinion-|-Why-Robert-Mueller-could-be-considering-bribery-charges.BJwMlpi9G.html

Edited March 30, 2018 by Jingthing

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

41 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

A fresh flavor today in impeachment porn.

BRIBERY!

Is "trump" our briber in chief?

 

 

Reading about this guy and his antics makes me feel so DIRTY!!!  

[Jingthing]

Just go ahead, republicans.

I dare you.

Go ahead and run on bully mocking democrats for calling the "trump" tax cuts crumbs for the masses.

Because maybe some day the TRUTH will out. 

 

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The richest Americans get a $33,000 tax break under the GOP tax law. The poorest get $40.

 

http://www.paywallnews.com/news/Analysis-|-The-richest-Americans-get-a-%2433-000-tax-break-under-the-GOP-tax-law--The-poorest-get-%2440-.ByutbO25M.html

[Thakkar]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Just go ahead, republicans.

I dare you.

Go ahead and run on bully mocking democrats for calling the "trump" tax cuts crumbs for the masses.

Because maybe some day the TRUTH will out. 

 

 

http://www.paywallnews.com/news/Analysis-|-The-richest-Americans-get-a-%2433-000-tax-break-under-the-GOP-tax-law--The-poorest-get-%2440-.ByutbO25M.html

 

His supporters won’t care. The fact that the tax bill drives compassionate liberals mad is payment enough for them. That’s how pathetic their lives are.