How to avoid an overstay?WP and Nonb

[Mariathehappiest]

Good morning all! Still trying to figure out timing for leaving my job and not getting overstay. I'd hate to get it because going to apply for US visa next year and don't want to have any notes about any overstay. So, my situation is like that:

1. Changing my job , resigning from a small tutoring school and getting ready to work in a gov. school. Gave the notification to my current employer in advance (30 days).

2. Have a WP and nonb(which is 3 month - issued on 8 of Dec,2017, expires on 7th of March.). WP issued for a year on 17th of Dec.

3. When my current employer received my resignation letter, he probably was pissed off and gave me threads that he will report about me to the education ministry and I might have problems in the future if apply for new job. But, this is not going to happen because I didn't break the law or school rules.

4. In the beginning of the week employer told that they will cancel my visa and wp. In the end, they told that only wp will be cancelled and visa remains valid till March and I can stay in Thailand.

The problem is: I don't trust my current employer . That's why I need to know for a sure. Might it be an overstay if I cancel my wp on 18th of Feb and leave a country later, on 25th to apply for new non b abroad? Or I should take termination letter to the immigration and cancel that visa in advance? Also, I want to enter Laos by land. If it happen in the early morning of 19th of Feb, will it be overstay since my wp probably will be cancelled on 18th?. Thanks in advance! Hope, my description is not messy

[Crossy]

You appear to still be on your original visa so, despite your WP being cancelled, you can remain until your original "Admitted Until" date of 7 March 2018.

 

 

[Mariathehappiest]

10 minutes ago, Crossy said:

You appear to still be on your original visa so, despite your WP being cancelled, you can remain until your original "Admitted Until" date of 7 March 2018.

 

 

Thanks a lot! So, there sure won't be any complications with it? If my wp cancelled until visa expires?

[lemonjelly]

you’re ok, they cannot cancel a visa, only an extension of stay, which you don’t have.


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[anon789561]

the work permit doesn't affect a visa or permission to stay if cancelled as far as i am aware. you might need UJ to clear this up properly

[BritTim]

I think your permission to stay remains intact. However, wait for @ubonjoe to confirm this. There is no doubt whatsoever that an entry using a Non B from a consulate overseas would remain valid after your work permit was canceled. You, however, received the Non B at an immigration office inside Thailand, and it is possible this could affect the rules because I think that means immigration would have the right to cancel your Non B visa.

[Crossy]

14 minutes ago, BritTim said:

You, however, received the Non B at an immigration office inside Thailand

This could prove VERY important.

 

Joe where are you?

[Lite Beer]

Looks to me like his original Immigration issued Visa has expired and he now has an extension of stay that ends on the day his employment ends.

[overherebc]

53 minutes ago, Lite Beer said:

Looks to me like his original Immigration issued Visa has expired and he now has an extension of stay that ends on the day his employment ends.

Looks like a single entry Non B.

it hasn't been changed to an extention of stay yet, that would be due to happen around March.

The mention of a re-entry permit is just to let the OP know if he goes out of Thailand for a day or two he must get the re-entry permit to keep the single entry 'live'.

Imm' won't cancel his 'visa' so he can stay til March.

[ubonjoe]

3 hours ago, Mariathehappiest said:

4. In the beginning of the week employer told that they will cancel my visa and wp. In the end, they told that only wp will be cancelled and visa remains valid till March and I can stay in Thailand.

That can cancel your work permit without your presence.

Entries from a visa are not normally canceled and even if they tried to they would need your passport and your consent to do it.

I don't think you have anything to worry about/.

[Crossy]

@ubonjoe Does the fact that this appears to be in immigration issued non-B (issued inside Thailand) have any bearing?

 

[ubonjoe]

10 minutes ago, Crossy said:

 Does the fact that this appears to be in immigration issued non-B (issued inside Thailand) have any bearing?

It should not make much difference.

It seems the OP's concern is that it would be canceled without his knowledge which would not happen.

[Mariathehappiest]

19 minutes ago, Crossy said:

@ubonjoe Does the fact that this appears to be in immigration issued non-B (issued inside Thailand) have any bearing?

 

Thanks for commenting! Just updated with my employer. They are going to cancel my wp, since it has a name of the school on it. Now new question: how many hours I have to leave a country once it cancelled? Immigration officer told it depends on how I leave it. That's all they told.(((. So, if I have 24 hours, does it mean that if  I get my visa cancelled at 11 am. on 19th, Feb., I might enter another country (Laos) at 6 am on 20th? Or it would be too late?

[Crossy]

I admit to being confused now. Immigration do not cancel WPs, the Labour Department does and they don't cancel visas.

 

Where did you go and to whom did you talk?

[ubonjoe]

3 minutes ago, Mariathehappiest said:

Thanks for commenting! Just updated with my employer. They are going to cancel my wp, since it has a name of the school on it. Now new question: how many hours I have to leave a country once it cancelled?

You work permit being canceled does not automatically cancel your permit to stay. 

I think you can stay until your March 7th without a problem.

[overherebc]

13 minutes ago, Mariathehappiest said:

Thanks for commenting! Just updated with my employer. They are going to cancel my wp, since it has a name of the school on it. Now new question: how many hours I have to leave a country once it cancelled? Immigration officer told it depends on how I leave it. That's all they told.(((. So, if I have 24 hours, does it mean that if  I get my visa cancelled at 11 am. on 19th, Feb., I might enter another country (Laos) at 6 am on 20th? Or it would be too late?

Don't understand that about Imm' telling you to leave unless they are assuming you are on an extension of stay which you're not, you're on a visa.

Did your school tell you that's what Imm' said or did you ask Imm' yourself?

[Mariathehappiest]

4 minutes ago, overherebc said:

Don't understand that about Imm' telling you to leave unless they are assuming you are on an extension of stay which you're not, you're on a visa.

Did your school tell you that's what Imm' said or did you ask Imm' yourself?

I've been at the immigration office, they told me that this visa will be cancelled since there is a name of school, provided this. My employer said the same. They need my presence. Only thing I concerned about is timing. Because if visa cancelled on 19th, and I will cross the border next morning, will it be overstay?

[overherebc]

17 minutes ago, Mariathehappiest said:

I've been at the immigration office, they told me that this visa will be cancelled since there is a name of school, provided this. My employer said the same. They need my presence. Only thing I concerned about is timing. Because if visa cancelled on 19th, and I will cross the border next morning, will it be overstay?

Is it possible to apply for an extension at Imm', be refused and given 7 days to leave.

1900 baht for that.

Asking, not stating BTW. 

One day overstay there is no fine. They may put a stamp saying one day but that doesn't cause any future problems.

[overherebc]

If you could push to get everything' visa' cancelled early AM you could get to a border before it closes on the same day if you feel that's best for you.

Any friends who could drive you there?

Or get a cheap flight BKK Malaysia stay one night and fly back the next day with cash 20,000 to show and a print out of booking somewhere to stay in case you're asked.

[Mariathehappiest]

27 minutes ago, overherebc said:

Is it possible to apply for an extension at Imm', be refused and given 7 days to leave.

1900 baht for that.

Asking, not stating BTW. 

One day overstay there is no fine. They may put a stamp saying one day but that doesn't cause any future problems.

Thanks! Oh, I don't know for a fact, but is it possible to bring the cancellation letter to immigration in advance? I heard that officers will stamp passport with the date of termination

[overherebc]

8 minutes ago, Mariathehappiest said:

Thanks! Oh, I don't know for a fact, but is it possible to bring the cancellation letter to immigration in advance? I heard that officers will stamp passport with the date of termination

I believe that is possible.

[Mariathehappiest]

10 minutes ago, overherebc said:

I believe that is possible.

Thank you. I'll update my post as soon as I know more details

[overherebc]

5 minutes ago, Mariathehappiest said:

Thank you. I'll update my post as soon as I know more details

Best of luck with it.

Hope it works out for you.

[BritTim]

55 minutes ago, Mariathehappiest said:

I've been at the immigration office, they told me that this visa will be cancelled since there is a name of school, provided this. My employer said the same. They need my presence. Only thing I concerned about is timing. Because if visa cancelled on 19th, and I will cross the border next morning, will it be overstay?

I am a little surprised, especially as @ubonjoe (usually very reliable) indicated that the initial 90-day entry on the Non B would be treated normally (i.e. not canceled when your employment terminated). Are you sure immigration was aware, when you asked, that you are on the initial 90-day stay and not an extension of stay on the basis of working?

In the end, it will depend on the immigration office what happens if your employer shows them a termination letter. If immigration decides your permission to stay should be canceled, you had better attend as otherwise you will be faced with a backdated cancellation and overstay.

[Mariathehappiest]

11 minutes ago, BritTim said:

I am a little surprised, especially as @ubonjoe (usually very reliable) indicated that the initial 90-day entry on the Non B would be treated normally (i.e. not canceled when your employment terminated). Are you sure immigration was aware, when you asked, that you are on the initial 90-day stay and not an extension of stay on the basis of working?

In the end, it will depend on the immigration office what happens if your employer shows them a termination letter. If immigration decides your permission to stay should be canceled, you had better attend as otherwise you will be faced with a backdated cancellation and overstay.

I shown that visa to the officer and he said that it will be cancelled. I'm confused a bit too. But, if it's possible to cancel nonb in advance, I'll do it and leave a country for a few days