Brexit has created chaos in Britain – nobody voted for this

[lincolnshire poacher]

They said the same about the Titanic

[lincolnshire poacher]

On 6/24/2018 at 1:56 PM, The Renegade said:

This is the only FACT you need to concern yourself with is.

 

The UK IS LEAVING the EU.

 

Get used to it, stop your bleating and start making plans for what you need to do when this happens.

I've left the EU and Little Britain and come to live inThailand, so I've Brexitted to avoid the slump in living standards which will be following soon. I hope you have made some good plans, you will need them. Oh, but I forgot, you will have your share of 350.000.000 a week to live on. Enjoy !

[lincolnshire poacher]

On 6/24/2018 at 2:31 PM, Grouse said:

Ultimately it was a protest vote by those not doing so well. The EU was the wrong target

Exactly, lets blame the foreigners, not the Tories

[aright]

7 hours ago, SheungWan said:

 

Other than the pointless splutterings from our Hard Brexiteer friends absolutely nothing in response to the legal fact that Brexit is the responsibility of the Government and Parliament. Oh! And the additional political reality that their previous political heroes (Ministers Johnson, Davis, Gove, Fox) are currently nowhere to be found other than hinting at bringing down the Government. Why? Because they at least know what will be the outcome and have the marbles to know when to pull back. Unlike our forum contributors who seem to have absolutely zero understanding of the meaning of process.

 

"They find it is easier to focus on the problems rather than address the opportunities."

 

If you're not lighting any candles don't complain about being in the dark.

[The Renegade]

9 hours ago, SheungWan said:

Other than the pointless splutterings from our Hard Brexiteer friends absolutely nothing in response to the legal fact that Brexit is the responsibility of the Government and Parliament.

'' nothing in response to the legal fact that Brexit is the responsibility of the Government and Parliament. ''

 

So what were all the Remainiacs  hitting the streets of London on Saturday for ? Does your above statement not apply to them ? Are they exempt because they support and agree with your agenda ?

 

Another remove foot from mouth before hitting the keyboard moment. Remainers certainly have that down to a fine art.

[Kieran00001]

7 hours ago, nontabury said:

 

Do you know what Could means ?

 

I am sorry that you have trouble with such basic comprehension but he does not only speak in could's, but also in 'have already done's', perhaps you missed the "15 major banks and financial services who have already set up on the continent or Dublin".

[nauseus]

5 hours ago, lincolnshire poacher said:

Exactly, lets blame the foreigners, not the Tories

Looks like Grouse has a Mini Me?

[The Renegade]

42 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Looks like Grouse has a Mini Me?

That statement should read

 

Quote

Looks like Grouse has another Mini Me?

 

Sausageman to the rescue ??

Edited June 26, 2018 by The Renegade

[Jip99]

1 hour ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

I am sorry that you have trouble with such basic comprehension but he does not only speak in could's, but also in 'have already done's', perhaps you missed the "15 major banks and financial services who have already set up on the continent or Dublin".

 

 

They have been there for years.

[Kieran00001]

1 hour ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

They have been there for years.

 

There are actually 18 financial institutes who have set up new European headquarters since the Brexit vote, but pretend that happened years before the referendum if it makes you feel better.

[dick dasterdly]

3 hours ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

I am sorry that you have trouble with such basic comprehension but he does not only speak in could's, but also in 'have already done's', perhaps you missed the "15 major banks and financial services who have already set up on the continent or Dublin".

And how many jobs in the uk have been lost as a result of those  "15 major banks and financial services who have already set up on the continent or Dublin".?

 

I've no idea whether these new subsidiaries were set up before or after the brexit vote, but do know that financial service companies expand the number of their subsidiary operations wherever they know/have a reasonable certainty they can make a profit.

 

As a result of the lack of certainty, it makes sense for these companies to open new operations in eu countries - but I suspect few (if any) uk jobs have been lost so far as a result.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, The Renegade said:

'' nothing in response to the legal fact that Brexit is the responsibility of the Government and Parliament. ''

 

So what were all the Remainiacs  hitting the streets of London on Saturday for ? Does your above statement not apply to them ? Are they exempt because they support and agree with your agenda ?

 

Another remove foot from mouth before hitting the keyboard moment. Remainers certainly have that down to a fine art.

They were exercising their democratic right to protest, gather as they wish and express their views collectively.

 

[Kieran00001]

21 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

And how many jobs in the uk have been lost as a result of those  "15 major banks and financial services who have already set up on the continent or Dublin".?

 

I've no idea whether these new subsidiaries were set up before or after the brexit vote, but do know that financial service companies expand the number of their subsidiary operations wherever they know/have a reasonable certainty they can make a profit.

 

As a result of the lack of certainty, it makes sense for these companies to open new operations in eu countries - but I suspect few (if any) uk jobs have been lost so far as a result.

 

Didn't Deutsche bank lay some British staff off earlier this month?  They told us they will be laying off 7000 people this year, its started.

[dick dasterdly]

3 hours ago, The Renegade said:

'' nothing in response to the legal fact that Brexit is the responsibility of the Government and Parliament. ''

 

So what were all the Remainiacs  hitting the streets of London on Saturday for ? Does your above statement not apply to them ? Are they exempt because they support and agree with your agenda ?

 

Another remove foot from mouth before hitting the keyboard moment. Remainers certainly have that down to a fine art.

 

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

They were exercising their democratic right to protest, gather as they wish and express their views collectively.

 

The Renegade was reacting to sheungwan's comment that "Brexit is the responsibility of the Government and Parliament." .

 

Do you agree with him (in which case surely you disagree with the demonstrations over the weekend?) - or do you disagree with the poster?

[The Renegade]

1 minute ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Didn't Deutsche bank lay some British staff off earlier this month?  They told us they will be laying off 7000 people this year, its started.

Is that due to Brexit ?

 

Or is due to Deutsche bank going through 3 CEO's in 5 years because it is in absolute sh!tstate.  Having to massively restructure as it has watched it's share price plummet from €100 to €9 over the last 10 years ?

 

Definitely Brexit related ??

[Eloquent pilgrim]

On 6/24/2018 at 10:36 AM, RuamRudy said:

There is an aspect to TA that is not covered in the article you quoted - that of the expected response from the person with whom you are having a dialogue.

 

Basically, whenever you are communicating with anybody, you subconsciously anticipate the type of response you will receive - and generally you tend to be correct in that assumption. So if you go in aggressively, you will most likely receive an aggressive response, but you tend to know that type of response will come - and that is the point I was making about how possibly you both were encouraging aggression through your posts, each of you ramping up the ante. 

 

There is another interesting aspect to the concept - where the response of the other person is not within the range of expected responses, like when you tell a joke and the person you told it to bursts into tears, or you shout aggressively at someone and they respond by laughing like a madman. These may be genuine responses from those who are a bit unhinged, but some people, savvy about the concept, use this technique to throw the other person completely. 

 

Anyway, again I go off topic. Back to the bedlam. 

This is too far off topic and inappropriate for open comment, so I have sent you a PM in response 

[Kieran00001]

4 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

Is that due to Brexit ?

 

Or is due to Deutsche bank going through 3 CEO's in 5 years because it is in absolute sh!tstate.  Having to massively restructure as it has watched it's share price plummet from €100 to €9 over the last 10 years ?

 

Definitely Brexit related ??

 

 

Their Brexit contingency plan is probably Brexit related, don't you think?  That plan has already been put into action, throughout this year they are migrating client accounts to managers on the continent, once that is done do you think they will still have work for the client managers in the UK who have seen their clients moved to the continent, or will you then stop laughing and consider for a moment the British people who are losing their jobs?

 

[transam]

2 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

 

Their Brexit contingency plan is probably Brexit related, don't you think?  That plan has already been put into action, throughout this year they are migrating client accounts to managers on the continent, once that is done do you think they will still have work for the client managers in the UK who have seen their clients moved to the continent, or will you then stop laughing and consider for a moment the British people who are losing their jobs?

 

HSBC were venturing to move staff jobs to Malaysia near 20 years back to save money...Brit staff were asked to go there to train the Malay staff their job..

[billd766]

3 hours ago, nauseus said:

Looks like Grouse has a Mini Me?

 

2 hours ago, The Renegade said:

That statement should read

 

 

Sausageman to the rescue ??

 

Might that not be Minnie Mouse?

 

On second thoughts, Yes.

 

Minnie Mouse used to make me laugh too.

[dick dasterdly]

15 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

Is that due to Brexit ?

 

Or is due to Deutsche bank going through 3 CEO's in 5 years because it is in absolute sh!tstate.  Having to massively restructure as it has watched it's share price plummet from €100 to €9 over the last 10 years ?

 

Definitely Brexit related ??

 

Just now, Kieran00001 said:

 

 

Their Brexit contingency plan is probably Brexit related, don't you think?  That plan has already been put into action, throughout this year they are migrating client accounts to managers on the continent, once that is done do you think they will still have work for the client managers in the UK who have seen their clients moved to the continent, or will you then stop laughing and consider for a moment the British people who are losing their jobs?

 

The Renegade made very good points that you chose to ignore, relying on the 'fear factor' opinions of:-

 

1) "That plan has already been put into action, throughout this year they are migrating client accounts to managers on the continent"

 

Do you have any proof to support this claim?  Even if true, we go back to the question of proof as to how many brit. jobs have been lost so far?

 

2) "once that is done do you think they will still have work for the client managers in the UK who have seen their clients moved to the continent"

 

Assuming this even happens (again - a 'what will happen in the future' opinion of remainers), I doubt many care about the minimal number of financial institutions "client managers in the UK"....

[The Renegade]

45 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

Didn't Deutsche bank lay some British staff off earlier this month?  They told us they will be laying off 7000 people this year, its started.

The inference is clear, the 7000 that you are whining about is Brexit related.

 

Sorry to burst your little remainer bubble.

 

39 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

Is that due to Brexit ?

 

Or is due to Deutsche bank going through 3 CEO's in 5 years because it is in absolute sh!tstate.  Having to massively restructure as it has watched it's share price plummet from €100 to €9 over the last 10 years ?

 

Definitely Brexit related ??

The 7000 that you are whinging about are nothing to do with Brexit and all to do with the performance of  Deutsche bank over the last 10 years.

[tebee]

Honda too is now warning of the problems continuing production in the UK if we leave the SM and CU 

 

https://www.ft.com/content/8f46b0d4-77b6-11e8-8e67-1e1a0846c475

[dick dasterdly]

6 minutes ago, transam said:

HSBC were venturing to move staff jobs to Malaysia near 20 years back to save money...Brit staff were asked to go there to train the Malay staff their job..

Reminds me of the NatWest fiasco a couple of years back, when they dumped their quality staff in favour of a cheaper option elsewhere - and crashed everyones' accounts for a few days....  IIRC, they had to beg some of the dumped staff to come back and sort out the problems?

[The Renegade]

4 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Do you have any proof to support this claim?  Even if true, we go back to the question of proof as to how many brit. jobs have been lost so far?

The vast majority of those 7000 jobs are being lost in the US.

[Kieran00001]

11 minutes ago, transam said:

HSBC were venturing to move staff jobs to Malaysia near 20 years back to save money...Brit staff were asked to go there to train the Malay staff their job..

 

HSBS is an Asian bank and have been in Malaysia since 1884, in fact they are the oldest bank in Malaysia.

[The Renegade]

10 minutes ago, tebee said:

Honda too is now warning of the problems continuing production in the UK if we leave the SM and CU 

 

https://www.ft.com/content/8f46b0d4-77b6-11e8-8e67-1e1a0846c475

tebee.

 

So nice to see you

 

How I have missed your pessimism and constant doom & gloom today.

 

Welcome back, you make me realise how great my life is ?

Edited June 26, 2018 by The Renegade

[dick dasterdly]

Just now, tebee said:

Honda too is now warning of the problems continuing production in the UK if we leave the SM and CU 

 

https://www.ft.com/content/8f46b0d4-77b6-11e8-8e67-1e1a0846c475

Again!  "warning"!

 

We've heard all these 'warnings' for so long (certainly since just before the referendum), that many of us are a little tired of these 'warnings'....

[transam]

1 minute ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

HSBS is an Asian bank and have been in Malaysia since 1884, in fact they are the oldest bank in Malaysia.

Head office is in London...My ex worked there for a couple of decades..

[tebee]

13 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

tebee.

 

So nice to see you

 

How I have missed your pessimism and constant doom & gloom today.

 

Welcome back, you make me realise how great my life is ?

Yep, it's been border run time.

 

So glad to see you have missed me ?

[Kieran00001]

14 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

 

The Renegade made very good points that you chose to ignore, relying on the 'fear factor' opinions of:-

 

1) "That plan has already been put into action, throughout this year they are migrating client accounts to managers on the continent"

 

Do you have any proof to support this claim?  Even if true, we go back to the question of proof as to how many brit. jobs have been lost so far?

 

2) "once that is done do you think they will still have work for the client managers in the UK who have seen their clients moved to the continent"

 

Assuming this even happens (again - a 'what will happen in the future' opinion of remainers), I doubt many care about the minimal number of financial institutions "client managers in the UK"....

 

We know what they are planning and also already doing because their plans all have to be submitted to the Prudential Regulation Authority. 

 

For the Deutsche bank, that plan was to move 20,000 client accounts to Frankfurt over 18 months starting last July.  They also stated that they would be looking at moving between 2000 and 4000 jobs to Europe.

 

Similar plans have been submitted by the other banks.  UBS stated that they are looking at moving 1500 jobs, Morgan Stanley 200, JP Morgan several hundred, HSBC 1000, Goldman Sachs 'hundreds', and Credit Suisse 3000, for example.

 

You may doubt that many Brexiteers care that bankers are going to lose their jobs, and perhaps you are right, but that would only say something about Brexiteers, their selfishness and thoughtlessness.