March 29, 20187 yr 2 minutes ago, Artisi said: That's is correct in the sense the company has no control after departing the depot, but one instance of being caught with booze or drugs on the job - the employer would be justified in terminating the drivers employment. Yes but that does not make the company responsible legally if that driver does a charter run the same as this driver has done and while he is waiting for his passengers for the return run home he either consumes drugs or alcohol before returning to his home base and then his employment can be terminated if someone is at his depot to see the state he is in when he arrives. The employer must catch the driver intoxicated to be able to terminate his employment and normally on charters like this the driver does not arrive back at his depot until late and normally the employer has already gone home.
March 29, 20187 yr 4 minutes ago, Russell17au said: Yes but that does not make the company responsible legally if that driver does a charter run the same as this driver has done and while he is waiting for his passengers for the return run home he either consumes drugs or alcohol before returning to his home base and then his employment can be terminated if someone is at his depot to see the state he is in when he arrives. The employer must catch the driver intoxicated to be able to terminate his employment and normally on charters like this the driver does not arrive back at his depot until late and normally the employer has already gone home. Not what I said - it was caught with booze or drugs on the job - terminate.
March 29, 20187 yr 2 minutes ago, Artisi said: Not what I said - it was caught with booze or drugs on the job - terminate. Ok, I will try to use the correct words so that you maybe able to understand. His employment can only be terminated if it is proven that he has used drugs or alcohol and the only acceptable proof is by being caught by the police and given a urine test for drugs or a positive breath test followed by a blood test to give the blood/alcohol reading because without either of those the driver can contest his sacking in the courts. The boss cannot terminate an employee unless he actually witnesses the worker drinking or using drugs so in your case who caught the employee?
March 29, 20187 yr On 3/28/2018 at 1:17 PM, JOC said: "The poor sod making a living" You have clear missed, that the 'poor sod' was high on meth.... Yes they do that when they get a couple of double shifts thrown at them.
March 29, 20187 yr 3 minutes ago, cooked said: Yes they do that when they get a couple of double shifts thrown at them. There has been nothing said in any of the threads in regards to this incident about the driver doing double shifts or that he was doing two jobs. You maybe assuming wrong
March 29, 20187 yr "Government to urge operators of double decker buses to convert to single decker for safety reasons" Why??? Because the government department responsible for the safe operation of public transport vehicles on Thailand's highways, is too lazy and incompetent to properly enforce the rules regarding construction, inspection, licensing of vehicles and capable drivers. Double deck buses, correctly engineered with quality materials cover millions of miles every day of the year in countries around the world without the regular carnage we see here on Thai roads. see attached link Thai land's government bodies including the RTP operate on a reactive basis as opposed to a proactive one. They wait for things to happen and then jump up and down saying we must solve these problems. Double deck buses are not the problem, it is the coach-builders, owners and operators that are the problem https://www.google.co.th/search?q=double+deck+long+distance++buses&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwigttiE3JHaAhXIo48KHYbMA8AQ_AUICigB&biw=1366&bih=637&dpr=1#imgrc=caDH9Ta1pOklCM:
March 29, 20187 yr 8 minutes ago, Russell17au said: Ok, I will try to use the correct words so that you maybe able to understand. His employment can only be terminated if it is proven that he has used drugs or alcohol and the only acceptable proof is by being caught by the police and given a urine test for drugs or a positive breath test followed by a blood test to give the blood/alcohol reading because without either of those the driver can contest his sacking in the courts. The boss cannot terminate an employee unless he actually witnesses the worker drinking or using drugs so in your case who caught the employee? No need to be so bloody pedantic, you are fully aware of what I was inferring. And just as a reminder, this is Thailand, not Oodnadatta or Gulargambone.
March 29, 20187 yr 3 minutes ago, ratcatcher said: "Government to urge operators of double decker buses to convert to single decker for safety reasons" Why??? Because the government department responsible for the safe operation of public transport vehicles on Thailand's highways, is too lazy and incompetent to properly enforce the rules regarding construction, inspection, licensing of vehicles and capable drivers. Double deck buses, correctly engineered with quality materials cover millions of miles every day of the year in countries around the world without the regular carnage we see here on Thai roads. see attached link Thai land's government bodies including the RTP operate on a reactive basis as opposed to a proactive one. They wait for things to happen and then jump up and down saying we must solve these problems. Double deck buses are not the problem, it is the coach-builders, owners and operators that are the problem https://www.google.co.th/search?q=double+deck+long+distance++buses&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwigttiE3JHaAhXIo48KHYbMA8AQ_AUICigB&biw=1366&bih=637&dpr=1#imgrc=caDH9Ta1pOklCM: You are correct about the buses but it is not even the coach-builders, owners or operators it is the lack of training and the unskilled drivers that cause the accidents
March 29, 20187 yr 20 minutes ago, Russell17au said: You are correct about the buses but it is not even the coach-builders, owners or operators it is the lack of training and the unskilled drivers that cause the accidents The operator of a bus is the driver. I made the point that the coach-builders here use lower quality construction standards than other western and major Asian countries. But you are correct in restating that the training and lack of skill is the main problem.
March 29, 20187 yr 5 hours ago, Russell17au said: There has been nothing said in any of the threads in regards to this incident about the driver doing double shifts or that he was doing two jobs. You maybe assuming wrong I'm not assuming anything. I'm stating that many drivers work terribly long hours, that's why they (I did say 'THEY') have to take yaba and their bosses know it.
March 30, 20187 yr On 3/28/2018 at 1:17 PM, JOC said: "The poor sod making a living" You have clear missed, that the 'poor sod' was high on meth.... with 5 previous convictions.
March 30, 20187 yr 18 hours ago, Russell17au said: Big difference with this incident is that there are trained drivers and there are Thai drivers and your Thai drivers and riders are not professionally trained and tested drivers and riders so your old saying does not count in Thailand It's called "a culture of safety" and the company is responsible for creating and maintaining it. Institute proper training and safety regulations and enforce them. It can be done in Thailand as well as anywhere. You may be willing to accept and shrug your shoulders that getting on a bus is akin to signing your death certificate but I am not.
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