Trump weighs Syria options, Russia envoy says he 'cannot exclude' war

[IAMHERE]

8 hours ago, neeray said:

Trump is no Kennedy in a confrontation like this. 

Kennedy had a lot more missiles than Russia at that time; USA could actually have won a nuclear exchange with Russia in the early 60's. Now days the USA would lose any nuclear war with the Russians or Chinese because we don't target the population.

Edited April 13, 2018 by IAMHERE

[Krataiboy]

4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

This is no joke.

We are headed now into a place where it's entirely possible where Russians and Americans will be intentionally killing each other. That's beyond the cold war even, except for the spy stuff. 

Absolutely. The Doomsday Clock is ticking nearer to midnight than at any time since the Cuban missile crisis.

 

The good news is that the farsighted leaders of our advanced Western democracies have had taxpayer-funded bomb-proof bunkers built in case the balloon goes up.

 

The bad news is they're not for the likes of the plebs, whose taxes funded their construction, but only themselves, the military and a few hand-picked VIPs.

 

I'm guessing Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates and George Soros already have bunks booked.

 

Putin has done the same, of course, for himself and his fellow oligarchs. The difference is that, unlike his counterparts in the West, the head of the Russian political mafia has already held country-wide  civil defence exercises which will help 40 million Russians weather a nuclear attack.

 

He's  also had enough well-provisioned underground shelters dug to ensure 11 million Muscovites survive a even preemptive first strike by the US and/or its allies.

 

I bet the good citizens of London, New York and Paris, as the tame mass media rah, rahs the mindless sabre-rattling of Mother Theresa, Dopey Don and boy wonder Emmanuel, only wish they could say the same.

 

 

Edited April 13, 2018 by Krataiboy

[maximillian]

2 hours ago, Srikcir said:

How about a Syrian-Iranian threat against Israel?

 

Or rather an Israeli-Saudi threat against Syria-Iran ?

Edited April 13, 2018 by maximillian

[maximillian]

1 hour ago, phantomfiddler said:

How so of his own making ? Trump did not orchestrate the Russia/Syria connection, and neither did he gas innocent civilians !

Right, he doesn't gas innocent civilians, he kills them with drones.

Trump Has Killed More Civilians with Illegal Drone Strikes in 9 Months

Than Obama Did in 8 Years (Ron Paul Liberty Reports)

http://www.ronpaullibertyreport.com/archives/trump-has-killed-more-civilians-with-illegal-drone-strikes-in-9-months-than-obama-did-in-8-years

[Morch]

4 minutes ago, maximillian said:

Right, he doesn't gas innocent civilians, he kills them with drones.

Trump Has Killed More Civilians with Illegal Drone Strikes in 9 Months

Than Obama Did in 8 Years (Ron Paul Liberty Reports)

http://www.ronpaullibertyreport.com/archives/trump-has-killed-more-civilians-with-illegal-drone-strikes-in-9-months-than-obama-did-in-8-years

 

But this topic ain't about drones.

[fakename]

A week or so ago, and American official, while talking about the China and American trade deficit, said that  China BLINKED, meaning China was backing down. Well, I think that Trump is blinking, when it comes to bombing Syria. He has a big mouth, and no brains. 

[Krataiboy]

5 hours ago, riclag said:

Krataiboy-What should the USA do, in this politically divided America?Should the allies and the USA grow some and handle chemicals being used on rebels through retaliation or through diplomatic means ,while knowing 1 year ago missiles where used to try to persuade them to stop?Just asking

The political divide is not as big as you seem to think. When it comes to foreign policy, it matters little whether Democrats or Republicans are running the show. The US strategy for global hegemony was set long ago. It can be tweaked, but not changed except by a supreme act of will which the present incumbent of the White House seems disinclined to demonstrate.

 

Both the US and Russia are run by political/corporate elites motivated primarily by greed and self-interest. They don't want a world war, any more than you do. Apart from any other consideration, such as the future of mankind, it would cramp their lush lifestyles. The sabre-rattling we are witnessing over Syria is just more theatre - bread and circuses for the masses and a tried and tested means of achieving population control through fear.

 

War could break out between the the two superpowers, but it would almost certainly be by accident father than design.  Putin, Trump and the rest of the plutocracy have the most to lose if the balloon goes up. 

 

So it is odds on that, one way or anther, the latest Syria crisis will get sorted - as all the rest have been. But what do I know, really?  I'm just an interested bystander, like you, with no influence on the outcome. So open another Bud and count your blessings. We do, after all, live in what all the experts tells us are the best of all times since the dawn of human history.

 

Cheers!

 

[bristolboy]

44 minutes ago, fakename said:

A week or so ago, and American official, while talking about the China and American trade deficit, said that  China BLINKED, meaning China was backing down. Well, I think that Trump is blinking, when it comes to bombing Syria. He has a big mouth, and no brains. 

Doesn't seem like he's backing down. More's the pity.

Biggest task force since Iraq on course for Syria

The largest US air and naval strike force since the 2003 Iraq war was heading towards Syria last night as Theresa May won the backing of the cabinet to join in military action.

US-led strikes after the suspected chemical weapon attack in Douma, which left as many as 40 people dead, are expected within the next three days.

The prime minister continued yesterday to face down demands for a Commons vote on whether Britain should join the US in any punitive action against President Assad.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/biggest-task-force-since-iraq-on-course-for-syria-bpjn699bt

[serialK]

3 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Doesn't seem like he's backing down. More's the pity.

Biggest task force since Iraq on course for Syria

The largest US air and naval strike force since the 2003 Iraq war was heading towards Syria last night as Theresa May won the backing of the cabinet to join in military action.

US-led strikes after the suspected chemical weapon attack in Douma, which left as many as 40 people dead, are expected within the next three days.

The prime minister continued yesterday to face down demands for a Commons vote on whether Britain should join the US in any punitive action against President Assad.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/biggest-task-force-since-iraq-on-course-for-syria-bpjn699bt

 

They will need a bunch of tugs to tow the brit ships out of there because the engines stop working if the weather goes over 20c

[Davmaac]

9 hours ago, riclag said:

Krataiboy-What should the USA do, in this politically divided America?Should the allies and the USA grow some and handle chemicals being used on rebels through retaliation or through diplomatic means ,while knowing 1 year ago missiles where used to try to persuade them to stop?Just asking

The USA and the UK both have chemical weapon facilities of their own. Also it is a documented fact that Iraq purchased chemical weapons from the UK to use against the kurds back in the 90's. Also there has so far been no sold proof from the UK or USA that there was a chemical attack or if there was that Russia was responsible. Add to this the UK and USA turning a blind eye to what is happening in Palestine and the Yemen and it is clear that these people are hypocrites with absolutley no credibility.

[Davmaac]

12 hours ago, Expatthailover said:

If there is reprisal comprising the usa, uk and France then no chance will russia hang around.  Uk and france would stomp them like an insect.

However I dont believe trump will strike anywhere where there are russians because of his beholding tp putin and his desire to get into russian real estate in the future.

I think it would be the other way around actually. Russia would stomp on the UK/France. The UK military is a shadow of its former self and the French aren't really up to much. Russia wouldnt have a problem and if they did they could call on their allies China, Iran etc.

[Khun Han]

8 hours ago, Morch said:

 

But this topic ain't about drones.

In view of the fact that the topic is partially about "Trump weighing his Syria options", it's quite possible that his continuing use of drones is on the agenda. But, nice try at diversion . No surprise there .

[Khun Han]

3 hours ago, Davmaac said:

The USA and the UK both have chemical weapon facilities of their own. Also it is a documented fact that Iraq purchased chemical weapons from the UK to use against the kurds back in the 90's. Also there has so far been no sold proof from the UK or USA that there was a chemical attack or if there was that Russia was responsible. Add to this the UK and USA turning a blind eye to what is happening in Palestine and the Yemen and it is clear that these people are hypocrites with absolutley no credibility.

 

We are not just turning a blind eye to the atrocities in the Yemen, we are supporting them through our supply of huge amounts of armaments to Saudi. Compare and contrast our behaviour toward routine Saudi bombardment of schools in the Yemen with our 'moral outrage' toward an unproven chemical attack in Douma, Syria. It's sick and warped beyond belief.

[arithai12]

9 hours ago, IAMHERE said:

Kennedy had a lot more missiles than Russia at that time; USA could actually have won a nuclear exchange with Russia in the early 60's. Now days the USA would lose any nuclear war with the Russians or Chinese because we don't target the population.

In case of nuclear weapons  the "population" is the unavoidable target whether you intend it or not.

 

 

[Khun Han]

5 minutes ago, Inepto Cracy said:

I think the so called gas attack is fake news. There are pictures circulating on facebook of actors making behind the scenes and after the scenes instagram pics, to put on their private messages.

In one news shot, the little boy with all the pipes and tubes over his shirtless body, actually opens his eyes and smiles, before shutting them very quickly and moving his head to the side.

I call fake on this news item.

 

Then there's the hospital worker, who is on the video of people being hosed down, stating in an interview on RT (and giving his name) that people came into the hospital suffering from smoke inhalation from a bomb drop, and somebody started going on about a chemical attack, so people started doing what can be seen in said video.

[simple1]

Air attack on Syria has commenced by UK. France and USA.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/04/13/politics/trump-us-syria/index.html

Edited April 14, 2018 by simple1

[Morch]

6 hours ago, Khun Han said:

In view of the fact that the topic is partially about "Trump weighing his Syria options", it's quite possible that his continuing use of drones is on the agenda. But, nice try at diversion . No surprise there .

 

No, the comment responded to was a deflection. And I'm yet to see a report suggesting some sort of drone campaign is in the cards - with regard to the situation at hand.

[Krataiboy]

10 hours ago, Davmaac said:

The USA and the UK both have chemical weapon facilities of their own. Also it is a documented fact that Iraq purchased chemical weapons from the UK to use against the kurds back in the 90's. Also there has so far been no sold proof from the UK or USA that there was a chemical attack or if there was that Russia was responsible. Add to this the UK and USA turning a blind eye to what is happening in Palestine and the Yemen and it is clear that these people are hypocrites with absolutley no credibility.

Couldn't agree more. Wars are seldom the result of public demand. And this one, if it starts, will be no exception. Unfortunately, those  likely to be left standing will be the same political psychopaths who now run our lives.

 

The 64,000-dollar question we need to ask ourselves, assuming the future remains relevant, is what on earth are we doing allowing such dreadful creatures to determine our destinies and what we can do to replace them with individuals of intelligence and integrity, more empathetic with most people's aspirations.

 

It's a question that would certainly have been worth contemplating as we huddled in our nuclear shelters - except that those idiots now trying to frogmarch us into war conveniently forgot to build us any.

[Morch]

6 hours ago, Khun Han said:

 

We are not just turning a blind eye to the atrocities in the Yemen, we are supporting them through our supply of huge amounts of armaments to Saudi. Compare and contrast our behaviour toward routine Saudi bombardment of schools in the Yemen with our 'moral outrage' toward an unproven chemical attack in Douma, Syria. It's sick and warped beyond belief.

 

That "we" again. Unsurprising you go on about Yemen, while failing to acknowledge Russia's and Syria's record on such matters, in relation to the topic at hand. Whinging about faux "moral outrage" while engaging in such is disingenuous.

[Ron19]

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[Ron19]

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[midas]

I sincerely hope for her sake the UK Prime Minister hasn't duped the British public twice. First time by not providing any evidence whatsoever regarding the Salisbury poisoning and now this and destroying any evidence before it can be verified

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The Russian Defence Ministry on Friday accused Britain of staging a fake chemical attack in the Syrian town of Douma last weekend, a bold charge that comes amid Moscow's stern warnings to the West against striking Syria.

One day before a team from the international chemical weapons watchdog was to arrive in Douma, just east of Damascus, Russian Defence Ministry spokesman Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov said that images of victims of the purported attack were fakes staged with "Britain's direct involvement, " without providing evidence.

 

https://www.thenational.ae/world/mena/russia-blames-uk-for-staging-fake-syrian-chemical-attack-1.721287

[Khun Han]

2 hours ago, Morch said:

 

That "we" again. Unsurprising you go on about Yemen, while failing to acknowledge Russia's and Syria's record on such matters, in relation to the topic at hand. Whinging about faux "moral outrage" while engaging in such is disingenuous.

[Khun Han]

3 hours ago, Morch said:

 

No, the comment responded to was a deflection. And I'm yet to see a report suggesting some sort of drone campaign is in the cards - with regard to the situation at hand.

 

In view of the fact that nobody had a clue about what type of response was going to take place, your excuse is quite disingenuous. But, you are persistent, I'll grant you that .

[Morch]

6 hours ago, Khun Han said:

 

In view of the fact that nobody had a clue about what type of response was going to take place, your excuse is quite disingenuous. But, you are persistent, I'll grant you that .

 

In terms of a military response? There was actually many assessments, most pretty much conforming to what was actually carried out. So the "nobody had a clue" nonsense, is just a nothing comment. An ongoing campaign involving drones was not among the options listed in this regard. Carry on  your with your deflections, that's all you've got.

 

[Krataiboy]

On 4/13/2018 at 7:03 PM, stag4 said:

Impeached for what exactly?

 

You have a computer and presumably know how to do a search on Google?

[Khun Han]

44 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

In terms of a military response? There was actually many assessments, most pretty much conforming to what was actually carried out. So the "nobody had a clue" nonsense, is just a nothing comment. An ongoing campaign involving drones was not among the options listed in this regard. Carry on  your with your deflections, that's all you've got.

 

 

More of the usual nonsense. Assessments generally assessed a range of options.

 

[Morch]

10 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

More of the usual nonsense. Assessments generally assessed a range of options.

 

 

More deflections. You claimed none had a clue. It's being pointed out that many of the assessment were correct. With regard to military options - no, there weren't all that many realistic ones suggested.

[Khun Han]

4 hours ago, Morch said:

 

More deflections. You claimed none had a clue. It's being pointed out that many of the assessment were correct. With regard to military options - no, there weren't all that many realistic ones suggested.

 

Nothing has been pointed out. You have made a claim without evidence. Which follows perfectly the shenanigans of your protagonists in this debacle.

[Morch]

5 hours ago, Khun Han said:

 

Nothing has been pointed out. You have made a claim without evidence. Which follows perfectly the shenanigans of your protagonists in this debacle.

 

Seems like you're having difficulties following the discussion. May want to re-read posts before commenting. As for "shenanigans", you haven't demonstrated any, just claimed that there are such. And "my protagonists"? Kinda narrow minded there, but do tell. For reference and clearance - nothing said by me about this strike being especially effective in curbing Assad's activities, or promoting US goals.