Trump abandons 'defective' Iran nuclear deal, to revive sanctions

[simple1]

11 minutes ago, heybruce said:

So you do blame Trump for rising oil prices.  I disagree, the oil market and its prices have been largely beyond the control of the US for decades.  Even now the US oil industry functions as the swing producer; responding to changes of prices, not dictating them.

 

But if you want US motorists to blame Trump for rising gas prices, that's fine with me.

Oil price increases will impact US domestic consumers so don't know why the member is claiming a good outcome for Trump. Trump  pulling out of the Iran agreement has been blamed for recent oil (petrol) price increases in Australia.

[observer90210]

19 hours ago, rgraham said:

This agreement was flawed to start and accomplished nothing to benefit the west, good riddance!

Wrong....reviving the sanctions will put many western firms in hot soup as they have already invested huge amounts of money in Iran for business. Airbus, Total just to name a few....but perhaps ultimately the main goal was not to harm Iran, but to crush the other western firms prospering in business in Iran ?

[Hummin]

Higher oil prices will stimulate new energy sources, and Saudi is not interested in that? 

 

There is a braking point when it comes to oil price, even some estimate 200 and even 300 usd barrel

Edited May 10, 2018 by Hummin

[mikebike]

1 hour ago, PhonThong said:

That's why the rig count is rising. 

For every action, there is a reaction.

Don't forget more jobs also.

The Forbes article did say "highest rig count since 2015".

[Grouse]

2 hours ago, dexterm said:

I agree with the poster above. What was wrong with the deal that Obama and others took years to negotiate?

 

It was the best deal Iran would accept. It is working and now Trump has no deal at at all.

 

These tweaks that everyone keeps talking about as though minor adjustments are tantamount to Iran rolling over completely, just because Trump 7,000 miles away says so.It's something Iran simply will not do.  

 

Tweak 1. Extend the agreement beyond 2025...that could easily be negotiated in a new agreement in 5 or 6 years time before the old one expires

 

Tweak 2.  Iran's ballistic missile programme. Trump wants Iran to give up the ability to defend itself against its enemies: Israel and Saudi Arabia.  While Israel, the real terrorist state in the Middle East, can develop as much sophisticated weaponry as it likes, knowing that the US admin will hypocritically turn a blind eye to that (US even finances it) and its nuclear weapons too.

 

Tweak 3. Abandon its Shia brothers and sisters in Lebanon, Syria, the Gulf states, and Yemen to their fate at the hands of Israel, Saudi Arabia and other Sunni armies.

 

Tweak 1 is a possibility that can be negotiated in future. But 2 and 3 Iran would never have agreed to even with Obama. Obama got the best deal he could and it was working.

 

This whole business is not about nuclear weapons at all..that program has been suspended and it could be extended indefinitely That's just the smoke screen, it's really about the USA trying to eliminate the one power that will stand up to Israel and Saudi Arabia.

 

Trump is manufacturing an excuse to go to war, and giving Iranian hawks the pretext to do likewise. I wonder if the draft dodger in chief will be there to welcome the body bags home. Sad.

It's about 38 years since Reagan backed Saddam in his unprovoked war on Iran which lasted for years and resulted in over 1M Iranian deaths (about 10% from gas).

 

I'm not surprised that Iran (like Russia actually) is rather keen on defence

[Hummin]

45 minutes ago, Grouse said:

It's about 38 years since Reagan backed Saddam in his unprovoked war on Iran which lasted for years and resulted in over 1M Iranian deaths (about 10% from gas).

 

I'm not surprised that Iran (like Russia actually) is rather keen on defence

And with help from Kuwait to make saddam bankrupt after the war with overproduction of oil, so Saddam could not repay his dept excactly to Kuwait. Overproduction low prices, short story. And who pulled the strings and accepted it happening? 

[lannarebirth]

6 hours ago, selftaopath said:

Good for you however there are projected rate increases. 

http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/17/news/economy/trump-premiums/index.html

Yes, the rate goes up every year.

[simple1]

12 hours ago, observer90210 said:

Wrong....reviving the sanctions will put many western firms in hot soup as they have already invested huge amounts of money in Iran for business. Airbus, Total just to name a few....but perhaps ultimately the main goal was not to harm Iran, but to crush the other western firms prospering in business in Iran ?

As an example Trump Administration has pulled the plug for licensing the Boeing and Airbus multi billion $ deals with Iran - assume this equates to job losses - MAGA - lol.

 

Recently read Trump pulling out of the Iran agreement was likely a move by the deflector in chief as the Mueller investigation gets closer to Trump Administration malpractices. 

[lannarebirth]

35 minutes ago, simple1 said:

As an example Trump Administration has pulled the plug for licensing the Boeing and Airbus multi billion $ deals with Iran - assume this equates to job losses - MAGA - lol.

 

 

I can't speak for Airbus but Boeing has an order backlog equal to seven years of production.

[simple1]

8 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

 

I can't speak for Airbus but Boeing has an order backlog equal to seven years of production.

Read yesterday the newly arrived Trump Admin Ambassador for Germany stated German companies now trading with Iran and should cease doing so - went down like a ton of bricks.

[thaibeachlovers]

To read some of the posts on here, there are posters that apparently think Iran is a wonderful country that is a paragon of virtue and has nothing to do with promoting terrorism!

[CharlesSwann]

26 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

To read some of the posts on here, there are posters that apparently think Iran is a wonderful country that is a paragon of virtue and has nothing to do with promoting terrorism!

You need to dissociate the people of Iran from the current set of fanatical rulers who are an aberration and will not be there forever. Everyone is buying into the narrative that because of fanatical Ayatollahs and their whipped-up anti-Americanism, the Iranian people are generically evil. History shows a different picture - they are cultured and tolerant - they are actually even pro-Israel. The west should be helping the Iranian people shrug off the yoke of the clerics, not simply demonising them - that plays into the Ayatollah's hands.

 

Israel, who have most to benefit from their removal, should know that, but Israel can't see anything beyond its own paranoia and they are dragging the west with it. Everyone should take a bigger perspective rather than obsessing about Iran's nuclear capability. Trump's decision (whether he intended it that way or not) takes a step towards serving that purpose.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

To read some of the posts on here, there are posters that apparently think Iran is a wonderful country that is a paragon of virtue and has nothing to do with promoting terrorism!

Is your point that the US should not have agreements with countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Russia, North Korea...?

[heybruce]

Those who believe the nonsense that Trump spew's should consider reality:

 

" It took the combined efforts of Congress and two U.S. presidents—George W. Bush and Barack Obama—nearly a decade to cripple Iran’s economy. Rebuilding economic pressure after Washington pulls out from the JCPOA would be an even greater challenge, given international opposition to the U.S. withdrawal and scant international support for renewed sanctions. The result could be a “win-win” situation for Iran, in which it is both freed from the JCPOA’s constraints on its nuclear activity and able to retain at least part of the sanctions relief for which it bargained."   https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/iran/2018-05-04/challenge-reinstating-sanctions-against-iran?cid=nlc-fa_twofa-20180510 

 

 

 

 

[Hummin]

3 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Is your point that the US should not have agreements with countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Russia, North Korea...?

Better to skip Nato, and continue dealing with Saudi, NK, and so on! 

Save alot of billions, 

 

 

Check out who is using most on weapons and army

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

 

US-Saudi Arabia seal weapons deal worth nearly $110 billion immediately, $350 billion over 10 years

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/20/us-saudi-arabia-seal-weapons-deal-worth-nearly-110-billion-as-trump-begins-visit.html

 

Donald Trump has bragged about how Saudi Arabia is a “big purchaser” of American armaments as peace groups assert that the weapons the US is selling to the kingdom are being used to kill thousands of innocent people in Yemen. 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-saudi-crown-prince-mohammed-bin-salman-weapons-armaments-yemen-civil-war-a8265821.html

[heybruce]

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Better to skip Nato, and continue dealing with Saudi, NK, and so on! 

Save alot of billions, 

 

 

Check out who is using most on weapons and army

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

 

US-Saudi Arabia seal weapons deal worth nearly $110 billion immediately, $350 billion over 10 years

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/20/us-saudi-arabia-seal-weapons-deal-worth-nearly-110-billion-as-trump-begins-visit.html

 

Donald Trump has bragged about how Saudi Arabia is a “big purchaser” of American armaments as peace groups assert that the weapons the US is selling to the kingdom are being used to kill thousands of innocent people in Yemen. 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-saudi-crown-prince-mohammed-bin-salman-weapons-armaments-yemen-civil-war-a8265821.html

Is your argument that the US should only deal with countries that spend a lot of money buying weapons from the US?

[Hummin]

2 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Is your argument that the US should only deal with countries that spend a lot of money buying weapons from the US?

I have the feeling some do, but me, no! 

 

A majority of Dondald Trump voters, do believe they would be better off if not part of Nato. But I would like to know who is the biggest contributers to their economy, even they do not pay as much as USA to Nato, we still protect their interests world wide. Thats the reason USA sitll is and have the biggest economy as for now. 

[Hummin]

Alot of things have been spewed about the iranians, and how bad they are and so on. But how much history do you know about Iran, and how involved Britain and Usa have been to this dissaster? 

 

There is alot to read and also many non biased docs concerning Iran, middle east Afghanistan and more. 

 

You can start here, and if interested continue double check facts

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–United_States_relations

 

Irak - Iran war where Cia helped Saddam with chems

http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/08/26/exclusive-cia-files-prove-america-helped-saddam-as-he-gassed-iran/

 

 

[Jingthing]

I think the historical reasons for Iranian hostility to the U.S. government are very well understood by pretty much anyone that has been paying attention. But that probably doesn't include the current U.S. president. But even understanding the history, it doesn't follow that there aren't real issues with modern Iranian behavior or that it would be a good thing for them to have nukes. Of course, the idiotic move by "trump" basically speeds up the chances of Iran having nukes. He seems to have a fantasy about regime change there. Seems very doubtful or even if that accidentally happened that things would be better. 

Edited May 11, 2018 by Jingthing

[wabothai]

On 5/9/2018 at 1:30 AM, ezzra said:

Or maybe he just grew tired from a madman and tyrants pointing an ICBM loaded with nukes at his country chanting ' death to America, death to the big satan' when those missiles will be pointed at the European and Russian, maybe they'll change their tune as well...

And where are you IDF'ers illegal nukes pointed at?

[one baht]

Regardless of our opinions,

 And we are all entitled to an opinion and nobody is wrong ,

 and we can only hope things get better than worse ,

 personally my thoughts are with the innocent

Terrible stuff War .

 

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, wabothai said:

And where are you IDF'ers illegal nukes pointed at?

Yes, they have them, Iran doesn't.

[thaibeachlovers]

21 hours ago, heybruce said:

Is your point that the US should not have agreements with countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Russia, North Korea...?

 

Nice try at deflection, but no cigar.

[Hummin]

22 hours ago, heybruce said:

Is your point that the US should not have agreements with countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Russia, North Korea...?

They even want to become friends with North Korea 

 

"Pompeo: US hopes to have NKorea as 'close partner' not enemy"

 

https://newsok.com/pompeo-us-to-help-north-korea-economy-if-it-gives-up-nukes/article/feed/2192558

[heybruce]

On 5/11/2018 at 12:16 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

To read some of the posts on here, there are posters that apparently think Iran is a wonderful country that is a paragon of virtue and has nothing to do with promoting terrorism!

 

On 5/11/2018 at 1:18 AM, heybruce said:

Is your point that the US should not have agreements with countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Russia, North Korea...?

 

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

 

Nice try at deflection, but no cigar.

My post is not deflection, yours is.  My question is legitimate, and remains unanswered.

[Opl]

Trump Explains That Lifting Sanctions on Huge Chinese Company Is OK Because It’s Just a Personal Favor for China’s President

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/05/trump-favor-for-iran-linked-chinese-company-is-just.html

Donald J. Trump

 

✔ @realDonaldTrump

 

 

ZTE, the large Chinese phone company, buys a big percentage of individual parts from U.S. companies. This is also reflective of the larger trade deal we are negotiating with China and my personal relationship with President Xi.

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