Israeli gunfire wounds at least 28 Palestinians as Gaza border protests build

[nausea]

Oh dear. There'll be a reckoning one day - brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, children, of those killed. I'm afraid the Biblical solutions don't work anymore. The days are long gone when you could wipe out a people and take their virgin daughters as your concubines.

[ivor bigun]

Dexterm said on the first page that there was"not a single scratch on an Israeli" glad to hear the good news

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[JimmyTheMook]

6 minutes ago, ivor bigun said:

Dexterm said on the first page that there was"not a single scratch on an Israeli" glad to hear the good news

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Except:

 

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/comprehensive-listing-of-terrorism-victims-in-israel

[dexterm]

1 hour ago, ivor bigun said:

Dexterm said on the first page that there was"not a single scratch on an Israeli" glad to hear the good news

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Sadly the situation has grown worse for the IDF. It appears an Israeli soldier has now been bruised by a stone.

 

But don't worry, the IDF retaliated and murdered 106 including 16 children, 2 paraplegics and 2 journalist clearly marked Press, also injuring 12,000,  3500 by live ammunition, and many others by dropping tear gas from drones on tents hundreds of yards away from the fence where unarmed Palestinians were protesting peacefully, killing a baby.

 

I think that's called disproportionate use of force...which is diplomatese for mass murder.

 

This is the Israeli version of Sharpeville and Soweto. The writing is on the wall for the apartheid state.

Edited May 21, 2018 by dexterm

[Jingthing]

3 hours ago, nausea said:

Oh dear. There'll be a reckoning one day - brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, children, of those killed. I'm afraid the Biblical solutions don't work anymore. The days are long gone when you could wipe out a people and take their virgin daughters as your concubines.

Yes, the reckoning when the people of Gaza wake up and kick out ... HAMAS!

[Morch]

1 hour ago, dexterm said:

Sadly the situation has grown worse for the IDF. It appears an Israeli soldier has now been bruised by a stone.

 

But don't worry, the IDF retaliated and murdered 106 including 16 children, 2 paraplegics and 2 journalist clearly marked Press, also injuring 12,000,  3500 by live ammunition, and many others by dropping tear gas from drones on tents hundreds of yards away from the fence where unarmed Palestinians were protesting peacefully, killing a baby.

 

I think that's called disproportionate use of force...which is diplomatese for mass murder.

 

This is the Israeli version of Sharpeville and Soweto. The writing is on the wall for the apartheid state.

 

It is quite telling that you lump all casualties together. If one was to accept your pushed narrative - none of them acted violently, none tried to breach the fence, none carried out attacks, none were Hamas personnel. Everyone was on a fun day out enjoying a "peaceful" protest.

 

You routinely deny or ignore any reports not in line with your pushed narrative, be them issued by the Hamas itself or Israel. But somehow, accepting as gospel each report that does support your point of view. Casualty figures, for example, are all issued by the Hamas or by the Hamas run Ministry of Health in Gaza. Neither known to be a paragon of accuracy and truth on these matters. And yet - presented as unquestionable, undisputed fact. Or the infant - which you fail to mention had a precondition, and wasn't supposed to be there anyway (according to her own family!).

 

Milking casualties and fatalities for every ounce of PR value, is something you routinely do. Pretty much in line with Hamas strategy. Casualties are supposedly good for promoting the "cause".

[dexterm]

1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

It is quite telling that you lump all casualties together. If one was to accept your pushed narrative - none of them acted violently, none tried to breach the fence, none carried out attacks, none were Hamas personnel. Everyone was on a fun day out enjoying a "peaceful" protest.

 

You routinely deny or ignore any reports not in line with your pushed narrative, be them issued by the Hamas itself or Israel. But somehow, accepting as gospel each report that does support your point of view. Casualty figures, for example, are all issued by the Hamas or by the Hamas run Ministry of Health in Gaza. Neither known to be a paragon of accuracy and truth on these matters. And yet - presented as unquestionable, undisputed fact. Or the infant - which you fail to mention had a precondition, and wasn't supposed to be there anyway (according to her own family!).

 

Milking casualties and fatalities for every ounce of PR value, is something you routinely do. Pretty much in line with Hamas strategy. Casualties are supposedly good for promoting the "cause".

>>It is quite telling that you lump all casualties together. If one was to accept your pushed narrative - none of them acted violently, none tried to breach the fence, none carried out attacks, none were Hamas personnel. Everyone was on a fun day out enjoying a "peaceful" protest.

 ...your spin; your strawman.

 

I notice you question the enormity of the atrocity purely on statistical grounds, but not a single word of compassion for any of the victims. More trying to milk it score points against Hamas.

 

You mention the baby's precondition as reported by a Gazan doctor. Looks as though you don't regard Gaza Health reports as spurious when it suits your narrative.

[Morch]

5 minutes ago, dexterm said:

>>It is quite telling that you lump all casualties together. If one was to accept your pushed narrative - none of them acted violently, none tried to breach the fence, none carried out attacks, none were Hamas personnel. Everyone was on a fun day out enjoying a "peaceful" protest.

 ...your spin; your strawman.

 

I notice you question the enormity of the atrocity purely on statistical grounds, but not a single word of compassion for any of the victims. More trying to milk it score points against Hamas.

 

You mention the baby's precondition as reported by a Gazan doctor. Looks as though you don't regard Gaza Health reports as spurious when it suits your narrative.

 

How is it a spin or a straw-man, when you it accurately describes your "accounts"? You do not differentiate between casualties, you refuse to accept not all were innocent, peaceful protestors. You deny Hamas involvement, when this becomes unattainable you claim it doesn't matter anyway. Deflection follows deflection.

 

I notice that you try to play the emotional angle, as if it somehow conveys credibility. Being an emotional exhibitionist (even a fake one) is not a requirement. 

 

Regarding the infant - do try to keep up, or at least keep the lame spins down a bit. The Gazan doctor's report was contradicting the "official" version of the Hamas run Ministry of Health in Gaza. It was corroborated by the infant's own family.

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[dexterm]

As far as I am concerned the Palestinian demonstrators are all innocent.
They have a right of return to their lands under international law and to protest against the inhumane conditions imposed upon them, and if the IDF fire at them they have a perfect right to resist however they can. There is no moral equivalence between the invader and the invaded, the occupier and the occupied. They are the refugees prevented from returning to their land, and the IDF are the invaders who ethnically cleansed them, herded them into a ghetto, and control 100% of their lives. Now it seems even to protest is a crime punishable by death.

Edited May 22, 2018 by dexterm

[Morch]

4 hours ago, dexterm said:

As far as I am concerned the Palestinian demonstrators are all innocent.
They have a right of return to their lands under international law and to protest against the inhumane conditions imposed upon them, and if the IDF fire at them they have a perfect right to resist however they can. There is no moral equivalence between the invader and the invaded, the occupier and the occupied. They are the refugees prevented from returning to their land, and the IDF are the invaders who ethnically cleansed them, herded them into a ghetto, and control 100% of their lives. Now it seems even to protest is a crime punishable by death.

 

Your personal views as to all the Palestinian protestors being "innocent" mean less than  nothing. It just goes to show previous posts pretending to call for an even-handed, balanced inquiry were a sham.

 

The Palestinians' supposed "right of return" is not a license to violence, something clearly stated in the original UN Resolution.

 

As for implying all Palestinian violence was in response to IDF fire - this isn't factual, but something you made up.

 

That you pretend the situation in the Gaza Strip is disconnected from Hamas agenda, policies and actions does not change facts. That you pretend things were always thus, does not change facts. That you pretend Israel is the only party involved in this does not change facts.

 

But then, your posts got little use for facts. It's all about a one-sided, emotion-heavy, fact-lite narrative.

 

[dexterm]

27 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Your personal views as to all the Palestinian protestors being "innocent" mean less than  nothing. It just goes to show previous posts pretending to call for an even-handed, balanced inquiry were a sham.

 

The Palestinians' supposed "right of return" is not a license to violence, something clearly stated in the original UN Resolution.

 

As for implying all Palestinian violence was in response to IDF fire - this isn't factual, but something you made up.

 

That you pretend the situation in the Gaza Strip is disconnected from Hamas agenda, policies and actions does not change facts. That you pretend things were always thus, does not change facts. That you pretend Israel is the only party involved in this does not change facts.

 

But then, your posts got little use for facts. It's all about a one-sided, emotion-heavy, fact-lite narrative.

 

I regard Palestinians trapped in Gaza as innocent because they have a right to a better future,  have a right to protest about the inhumane conditions imposed upon them by Israel and a right to return to or compensation for the lands whence they were ethnically cleansed by Israel. You may disagree with that to varying degrees.

 

An independent inquiry would reveal a timeline of who did what on the days of the protests to cause so many deaths and injuries.  The apportioning of blame would no doubt be viewed differently. You and I have fundamentally different views.

 

I would like to know exactly what happened, a few irrefutable facts with supporting evidence, rather than the current we did this, they did that.

[Morch]

1 hour ago, dexterm said:

I regard Palestinians trapped in Gaza as innocent because they have a right to a better future,  have a right to protest about the inhumane conditions imposed upon them by Israel and a right to return to or compensation for the lands whence they were ethnically cleansed by Israel. You may disagree with that to varying degrees.

 

An independent inquiry would reveal a timeline of who did what on the days of the protests to cause so many deaths and injuries.  The apportioning of blame would no doubt be viewed differently. You and I have fundamentally different views.

 

I would like to know exactly what happened, a few irrefutable facts with supporting evidence, rather than the current we did this, they did that.

 

How you "regard" things related to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is meaningless. Your positions are extreme, one-sided and at a disconnect with facts. Whereas many of those opposing your views do accept Israel is responsible, to this or that degree, you remain adamant that this is all about Israel. Hardly a reasonable or even remotely realistic take.

 

Willfully ignoring that the state of the Gaza Strip was not always as it is now, and that it directly related to Hamas agenda, policies and actions is either clueless or dishonest. Continuously dodging any reference to something not in line with your adopted, extreme narrative is more indicative of the latter. Pick one.

 

Going on about "independent" inquiry, after it was demonstrated the upcoming one isn't such, is just more dishonest waffle. There was information presented, even on these topics, which contradicts your biased, one-sided rendering of things. Some of it was even issued by the Hamas (and Islamic Jihad) themselves. Whether you deny or ignore these, doesn't change facts.

 

Allow me to doubt that you have any interest whatsoever in anything that doesn't support the extreme narrative you constantly push. Coming from someone asserting Palestinians are always innocent, and exempt from any criticism - the above is hardly believable. Considering you deflect, deny, ignore or reject any critical/negative comments regarding the Palestinian side, the claim to have an interest in a balanced, even-handed or objective takes is obviously bogus.

[Jingthing]

Yes and if such an "independent" inquiry came to a more balanced conclusion about the complexity of the blame situation, you can be sure the extremist Israel demonization agenda propagandists would call it a sham. The Israeli government knows this full well which may explain their resistance to such inquiries. 

Edited May 22, 2018 by Jingthing

[Voodoochile]

The israeli know How to treat arabs/muslims and know the threat that there mentality and beleifs pose to them and the world. they are not afraid of political corectness and then are right in my opinion.

 

Let it rain!

 

[Rimmer]

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[dexterm]

22 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Yes and if such an "independent" inquiry came to a more balanced conclusion about the complexity of the blame situation, you can be sure the extremist Israel demonization agenda propagandists would call it a sham. The Israeli government knows this full well which may explain their resistance to such inquiries. 

How would Israel know...it has never co-operated  with any Independent inquiry.

 

All part of Israel's  attempt to cover-up its atrocities. 

Besides murdering 2 clearly marked PRESS journalists and  injuring another 90, it prevented international journalists from entering Gaza to report on the truth. So much for freedom of the press in the only supposed democracy in the Middle East.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/palestinian-journalist-in-vest-marked-press-shot-dead-by-israeli-troops-in-gaza/2018/04/07/ac57b524-3a30-11e8-8fd2-49fe3c675a89_story.html?utm_term=.f87a934be7ce

 

https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/tamara-nassar/icc-must-investigate-israels-crimes-against-journalists

Edited May 23, 2018 by dexterm

[Rimmer]

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