Are You A Sexpat Or Do You Ride The Backwards Morality Train?

[Chomper Higgot]

13 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

But you are placing responsibility for delivery on the plate of the remainers - regardless of the veracity of their claims in the run up to the referendum, there was a clear coterie of leading brexiteers who failed to deliver a credible vision, and subsequently have failed to deliver a credible plan. 

A number of whom have quietly sloped off.

[The Renegade]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

What do you mean the Irish border has been solved,

Try reading ?

 

7 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

Try again. List all those things that have come to pass

 

None of what you list have actually came to pass, they are still ongoing and will be probably right up to 28 March 2019.

I will help you out with your English yet again

 

Come to pass - Has happened.

 

Ongoing - Current 

 

 

[RuamRudy]

10 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

So tell them to do one. Germany can keep it's cars.

Everything is made in China these days, no need to deal with EU re-sellers.

Give British agri the chance to grow crops again without the cheap EU produce dumping.

Escort all Euro nationals to the ferry port and wave them bye-bye.

 

I'm all for hard Brexit at gunpoint.

 

I think Pol Pot tried something similar?

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

Try reading ?

 

I will help you out with your English yet again

 

Come to pass - Has happened.

 

Ongoing - Current 

 

 

Everyone of the UK governments red lines crossed - still on going.

 

Davis and Johnson demanding out 100% on day 1, Rees Mogg openly stating he believes a 10 year interim period is a likely outcome.

 

Brexiteers ranting WTO now, their darling Rees Mogg proposing EU goods can be trusted and need not be inspected at UK borders - Lawyers reminding him the WTO rules will scupper his plan.

 

yep Ongoing and Current.

Edited June 14, 2018 by Chomper Higgot

[The Renegade]

10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Everyone of the UK governments red lines crossed - still on going.

 

Davis and Johnson demanding out 100% on day 1, Rees Mogg openly stating he believes a 10 year interim period is a likely outcome.

 

Brexiteers ranting WTO now, their darling Rees Mogg proposing EU goods can be trusted and need not be inspected at UK borders - Lawyers reminding him the WTO rules will scupper his plan.

 

yep Ongoing and Current.

Why the demented deflection ?

 

You made a statement and I asked you to back it up.

 

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You resort to the ‘wrap all up’ phrase ‘Project Fear’, it provides you the convenience of lumping warnings of real problems that have come to pass with wild warnings that few if any believed would come about.

 

Simple English so that you can understand it.

 

Other than the fall in Sterling, what other form of Armageddon as described by Project Fear have actually happened.

Edited June 14, 2018 by The Renegade

[dick dasterdly]

1 hour ago, dick dasterdly said:

Sorry for quoting myself, but the remainers 'lapped up' all the project fear propaganda - and even now, still believe every OPINION expressed by the remain politicians and media - as long as it suits their cause.

 

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And yet you wish to ignore the Remain arguments before the referendum that the negotiations would be extremely difficult and that the EU would not fold to UK demands.

 

You resort to the ‘wrap all up’ phrase ‘Project Fear’, it provides you the convenience of lumping warnings of real problems that have come to pass with wild warnings that few if any believed would come about.

 

 

 

51 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

Please list, along with credible sources of all these real problems that have come to pass ?

 

Other than a fall in Sterling, I look forward to your blank posting.

 

Immediate recession ? Nah

 

Emergency Budget ? Nah.

 

Housing market collapse ? Nah

 

Plague of locusts ? Nah

 

The only problems that are occurring are being caused by remainers and the EU negotiating team who are desperately trying to keep the UK under the thumb of both Brussels and the ECJ and to keep the UK handing over £ Billions upon Billions of the UK's money for the pleasure.

As The Renegade point out, the "real problems' forecast by project fear haven't materialised - and yet Chomper Higgot still relies on the fear factor, that (IMO) - only increased the leave vote!

 

"You resort to the ‘wrap all up’ phrase ‘Project Fear’, it provides you the convenience of lumping warnings of real problems that have come to pass with wild warnings that few if any believed would come about."

 

The Renegade has also pointed out that the project fear warnings didn't happen - apart from the drop in sterling, which was obvious as 'the money' certainly doesn't want the uk to leave the eu.

 

It was down to the GOVT. (that had all the information) to come up with a plan in the event of a leave vote - NOT those supporting leave, who didn't have all the information.

 

They didn't bother, as they were sure that the referendum would result in a remain result - until the last minute, when Osborne came out with his punishment budget....

Edited June 14, 2018 by dick dasterdly

[The Renegade]

A great sentence and equally applicable to the EU

 

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Even if the people of the US, Canada and Mexico had explicitly consented to Nafta in 1994, the idea that a decision made then should bind everyone in North America for all time is repulsive.

A Trump acolyte ? A fervent Brexiter ?

 

Neither.

 

None other than George Monbiot, a Guardian columnist

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/13/trump-nafta-g7-sunset-clause-trade-agreement

[dick dasterdly]

56 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

There is no way on this earth that the EEA route meant leaving the EU

 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-44474661

 

The EU had better change its focus from trying to keep the UK tied to at the hip to the EU and start focusing on a mutually beneficial trade deal or start preparing for WTO rules.

 

That is now the only options they have.

"That is now the only options they have."

 

Not at all sure that it's their only option, as the uk govt. is doing their best as far as I can see, to ensure a 'leave in name only' result....

[dick dasterdly]

47 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

A number of whom have quietly sloped off.

I agree with this.

 

They never expected the electorate to vote leave, and were just 'currying favour' amongst the large percentage of the electorate that wanted to leave ☹️.

[sammieuk1]

All Tory's are revolting to me! she has a month left tops before the boot.

[The Renegade]

1 minute ago, dick dasterdly said:

Not at all sure that it's their only option, as the uk govt. is doing their best as far as I can see, to ensure a 'leave in name only' result....

I see it differently.

 

By voting down the '' EEA Option '' and by introducing this

 

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The government agreed a compromise with potential Tory rebels earlier this week to work towards a "customs arrangement" with the EU. This won the support of the Commons by 325 votes to 298.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-44474661

 

Customs arrangement could mean anything, but it will certainly not include the '' Free movement of People ''

 

On the EU side, the 4 pillars are declared EU red lines, so that does not leave a lot of room for maneuver on the EU side.

 

The EU cannot convert the current arrangement to an FTA as this would most likely lead to others leaving the EU.

 

Perhaps we have all got May wrong and she has actually played a blinder, because the way I read it, the EU are boxed in.

[SheungWan]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You voted for it, you own it.

The Hard Brexiteers would like to own the process. But they don't. Not for now at least.

[dick dasterdly]

14 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

I see it differently.

 

By voting down the '' EEA Option '' and by introducing this

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-44474661

 

Customs arrangement could mean anything, but it will certainly not include the '' Free movement of People ''

 

On the EU side, the 4 pillars are declared EU red lines, so that does not leave a lot of room for maneuver on the EU side.

 

The EU cannot convert the current arrangement to an FTA as this would most likely lead to others leaving the EU.

 

Perhaps we have all got May wrong and she has actually played a blinder, because the way I read it, the EU are boxed in.

"Customs arrangement could mean anything, but it will certainly not include the '' Free movement of People ''

 

I hope you're right.

Edited June 14, 2018 by dick dasterdly

[The Renegade]

5 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

"Customs arrangement could mean anything, but it will certainly not include the '' Free movement of People ''

 

I hope you're right.

I would like to think that even the most ardent remainers would understand that '' Any Deal '' that meant keeping free movement of people would be political suicide.

 

After the hammering the Lib Dems got at the last GE the only exception to that would be Vince Cable, but I probably have more chance of being PM than him. So he can think, say and make as much noise as he likes.

[dick dasterdly]

1 minute ago, The Renegade said:

I would like to think that even the most ardent remainers would understand that '' Any Deal '' that meant keeping free movement of people would be political suicide.

 

After the hammering the Lib Dems got at the last GE the only exception to that would be Vince Cable, but I probably have more chance of being PM than him. So he can think, say and make as much noise as he likes.

I agree, but don't count on it if it's left to parliament....

 

They want to remain.

[Berkshire]

1 hour ago, The Renegade said:

 

Other than the fall in Sterling, what other form of Armageddon as described by Project Fear have actually happened.

It seems there are collateral damage that folks may not have foreseen, for example...

 

[The head of Britain's top business lobby group says the country's car industry could be wiped out by Brexit.]

http://money.cnn.com/2018/06/13/news/economy/brexit-uk-car-extinction-cbi/index.html

[dick dasterdly]

Just now, Berkshire said:

It seems there are collateral damage that folks may not have foreseen, for example...

 

[The head of Britain's top business lobby group says the country's car industry could be wiped out by Brexit.]

http://money.cnn.com/2018/06/13/news/economy/brexit-uk-car-extinction-cbi/index.html

Oh good - we're back to opinions...

 

I'll never understand why so many immediately accept the opinion of others - as long as they support their opinion!

[The Renegade]

2 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

I agree, but don't count on it if it's left to parliament....

 

They want to remain.

3 days ago I would still have been banging that drum. In fact I did beat that drum on a daily basis.

 

I was also guilty of calling the PM Treeza the Apeeza.

 

However, with the voting down of the EEA and the 90 odd Labour MP's who voted directly against the instructions of Jeremy Corbyn, I am beginning to have my doubts.

 

Also see my post above.

 

I think that what we might have had in Parliament was a very noisy minority aided and abetted by the MSM to amplify the noise.

 

Never forget that there was a huge majority in the House of Commons vote to trigger Article 50. That would have been the time to scupper Brexit.

[dick dasterdly]

Just now, The Renegade said:

3 days ago I would still have been banging that drum. In fact I did beat that drum on a daily basis.

 

I was also guilty of calling the PM Treeza the Apeeza.

 

However, with the voting down of the EEA and the 90 odd Labour MP's who voted directly against the instructions of Jeremy Corbyn, I am beginning to have my doubts.

 

Also see my post above.

 

I think that what we might have had in Parliament was a very noisy minority aided and abetted by the MSM to amplify the noise.

 

Never forget that there was a huge majority in the House of Commons vote to trigger Article 50. That would have been the time to scupper Brexit.

"Never forget that there was a huge majority in the House of Commons vote to trigger Article 50. That would have been the time to scupper Brexit."

 

Not possible, as it would have been electoral suicide for remainer MPs (in leave constituencies) to vote against activating article 50.

Edited June 14, 2018 by dick dasterdly

[The Renegade]

8 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

It seems there are collateral damage that folks may not have foreseen, for example...

 

[The head of Britain's top business lobby group says the country's car industry could be wiped out by Brexit.]

http://money.cnn.com/2018/06/13/news/economy/brexit-uk-car-extinction-cbi/index.html

Does the head of this LOBBY GROUP ( key words ) understand that in 2016

 

The EU exported 1.2 million cars to the UK and the UK exported 950,000 cars to the EU

 

In a worst case scenario, where trade is halted between the UK - EU, it would not make much of a difference supplying the home market rather than importing.

[The Renegade]

1 minute ago, dick dasterdly said:

Not possible, as it would have been electoral suicide for remainer MPs (in leave constituencies) to vote against activating article 50.

 

No denying that. I am merely stating that this would have been the ideal opportunity to thwart Brexit.

 

Remember that vote only came about because a remainer went to Court and the Court ordered it.It was an attempt to thwart the Brexit process.

 

 

[Grouse]

37 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

It seems there are collateral damage that folks may not have foreseen, for example...

 

[The head of Britain's top business lobby group says the country's car industry could be wiped out by Brexit.]

http://money.cnn.com/2018/06/13/news/economy/brexit-uk-car-extinction-cbi/index.html

The UK is a global laughing stock. We used to be able to hold our heads high. What an embarrassing spectacle.

 

Something akin to Armageddon in my book. Just wait for the sniggering at our new passports!?

[The Renegade]

10 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Just wait for the sniggering at our new passports

If you feel so strongly, you could always action Note 7 in a UK Passport.

 

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Note 7.

This passport remains the property of Her Majesties Government in the United Kingdom and can be withdrawn at any time.

If your head is so low, your embarrassment so high, you can always hand your passport back.

[sandyf]

3 hours ago, The Renegade said:

Please list, along with credible sources of all these real problems that have come to pass ?

 

Only those with their head in the sand would think the list is blank.

 

One of the consequences of Brexit is that EMA will relocate to Amsterdam, the Netherlands, where it has to take up its operations on 30 March 2019 at the latest.

http://www.ema.europa.eu/ema/index.jsp?curl=pages/news_and_events/general/general_content_001707.jsp&mid=WC0b01ac0580a809a7

 

EU foreign ministers meeting in Brussels on Monday voted for the EBA to shift its headquarters from London to Paris after Brexit.

https://www.ft.com/content/53e66070-cec9-11e7-9dbb-291a884dd8c6

 

The Commission stated that “where economic operators hold certificates issued by a UK Notified Body prior to the withdrawal date and plan to continue placing the product concerned on the EU-27 market as from the withdrawal date, they are advised to consider either apply for a new certificate issued by an EU-27 Notified Body or organising a transfer (…) of the file from the UK Notified Body to an EU Notified Body”.

https://www.tradepractitioner.com/2018/01/ce-marking-post-brexit/

 

With the ICO being excluded from participating in GDPR’s one-stop shop mechanism, it also means UK businesses will have to choose an alternative data protection agency within the EU to act as their lead regulator after Brexit — putting yet another burden on startups as they will need to build new relationships with a regulator in the EU.

https://techcrunch.com/2018/05/29/brexit-blow-for-uks-hopes-of-helping-set-ai-rules-in-europe/

 

I could go on but there is little point, brexiteers are not really interested in the real problems that are actually taking place.

[sandyf]

1 hour ago, dick dasterdly said:

Oh good - we're back to opinions...

 

I'll never understand why so many immediately accept the opinion of others - as long as they support their opinion!

There a lot of opinions that do count, as those that work for high street stores are finding out, M&S, House of Fraser etc. 

And what about RR, I suppose his opinion does not count either. RR have problems and some just want to add to their problems.

 

Rolls-Royce has warned that Brexit is likely to have a negative impact on the business, due to global supply chain disruptions. Ahead of the EU referendum in 2016, Mr East told his staff to vote Remain because the engine maker is better off in the EU.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/rollsroyce-jobs-latest-cut-redundant-updates-announcement-a8398006.html

[CG1 Blue]

12 minutes ago, sandyf said:

There a lot of opinions that do count, as those that work for high street stores are finding out, M&S, House of Fraser etc. 

You know full well the highstreet is dying a death mainly because of the internet. Bricks & mortar retail businesses with rent and rates to pay cannot compete with online businesses.

 

Please don't tag Brexit to every bit of bad news.  It's disingenuous.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

 

 

As The Renegade point out, the "real problems' forecast by project fear haven't materialised - and yet Chomper Higgot still relies on the fear factor, that (IMO) - only increased the leave vote!

 

"You resort to the ‘wrap all up’ phrase ‘Project Fear’, it provides you the convenience of lumping warnings of real problems that have come to pass with wild warnings that few if any believed would come about."

 

The Renegade has also pointed out that the project fear warnings didn't happen - apart from the drop in sterling, which was obvious as 'the money' certainly doesn't want the uk to leave the eu.

 

It was down to the GOVT. (that had all the information) to come up with a plan in the event of a leave vote - NOT those supporting leave, who didn't have all the information.

 

They didn't bother, as they were sure that the referendum would result in a remain result - until the last minute, when Osborne came out with his punishment budget....

Once again you collect all predictions made by Remain campaigners, label them all ‘Project Fear’ then dismiss on on the bases of the most outlandish that nobody believed anyway.

 

If everything Remain argues was false, why then is Brexit such an unmitigated mess?

 

Every single red line set by the UK government crossed!

 

If you voted for Brexit you own the mess,

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, The Renegade said:

 

No denying that. I am merely stating that this would have been the ideal opportunity to thwart Brexit.

 

Remember that vote only came about because a remainer went to Court and the Court ordered it.It was an attempt to thwart the Brexit process.

 

 

No it was not an attempt to thwart Brexit.

 

It was a successful legal challenge to force the government to place Article 50 before parlianment.

 

An affirmation of parliamentary sovereignty and the halting of the government’s attempts to rule by executive order.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, The Renegade said:

Why the demented deflection ?

 

You made a statement and I asked you to back it up.

 

 

Simple English so that you can understand it.

 

Other than the fall in Sterling, what other form of Armageddon as described by Project Fear have actually happened.

As I have pointed out.

 

Project Fear does not exist, it’s an invention of the Leave campaign to lump all arguments against Brexit together in order to then ignore them all on the basis of the few rediculous arguments nobody believed anyway.

 

You mention ‘deflection’, don’t be deflected, the government that promissed to deliver Brexit is failing to do so.

 

Nothing at all to do with Remain, everything to do the ‘Leave never had a plan’.

 

The absence of the Brexit plan was a point widely discussed in the run up to the referendum.

 

If you voted for Brexit, you knowingly voted for a Brexit without a plan.

 

If you voted for it, you own it.

 

Away with you and your distraction of ‘Project Fear’ .

 

 

 

[The Renegade]

19 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Project Fear does not exist, it’s an invention of the Leave campaign

Really ?

 

Osborne, remainer to the core.

 

1. UK & IMF immediate recession if a leave vote happens

 

2. Housing market crisis

 

3. Emergency budget.

 

4. Unemployment will soar.

 

5. Every household will be £4300 worse off

 

6. Leaving the EU will lead to Armageddon.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/18/leave-eu-george-osborne-calculations-lead-to-armageddon

 

It is in the Guardian so it must be true, the remainers bible.

 

Read, digest and then head back to your safe space.

 

Let me also throw in £ - $ parity, £ - € parity that had the hysterical pill abusers in a frenzy ??

 

Edited June 14, 2018 by The Renegade