Popular Post greenchair Posted July 10, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2018 It often takes several news stories with a bit of myth and a bit of fact to reach the truth. 1.he led them in by himself. 2. The parents sent him to get the boys. As it turns out he was going on a well planned trip that has been undertaken many times, including with the lead coach. On that day the coach was busy, so he instructed ekapol to lead the team. It was supposed to be a 45 minutes trip with a bike ride. The coach had told ekapol to ride behind the children and take precautions, including carrying torches, food and water. The parents were all aware of this team building exercise. Nobody was forced and parents were always allowed to pick up kids directly after practice. But they chose the stronger path to lead their boys to be great outdoors men. Unfortunately, just a couple of kilometres into the cave, the skies burst and ekapol was forced to make life and death decisions for his team that he would protect with his life. He chose to lead them to the safest part of the cave, teach them to be calm , meditate , and gave them his own small ration of food whilst endangering his own life. He saved those boys life and he most certainly is a hero. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smutcakes Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 11 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said: In his letter, Ake apologised to the parents for taking the boys into the cave network. He didn't 'follow them in'. It wasn't officially the rainy season yet when they went in, but the weather doesn't know the date and checking whether rain was due before going deep into a cave might have been a good idea. You know, showing a bit of common sense, leadership and responsibility. Because he didn't someone has died. An article in the London Times describes the cave as the most dangerous in the world, yet the party went in with no preparation at all and no safety equipment. Caving isn't just an afternoon stroll through the woods. It is fraught with danger and their so-called leader demonstrated no awareness and took no precautions. Now the kids are probably scarred for life, being trapped in a dark, wet cave for nearly two weeks, most of it not knowing whether they would ever be found and rescued. Do you know any Thais? Very few Thais check anything in advance in my experience, probably particularly true for a young lad from the rural hinterland. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhys Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Well good for after the fact, being proactive is still a character trait. he kept them together and calm the best he could. Let the so-called coach just do soccer.... have you seen some little league so-called coaches... Error in judgment, lucky this time ..maybe next time. Get them all out let them recover in peace. As for the circus to follow... we shall see. Get those kids out.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAZZDOG Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 3 hours ago, yrag said: None of parents want to do anything against the coach...quite the opposite... I understand they be thousands of Thai families who want to adopt him.... I have a job waiting for him whenever he wants. Don't think him and the kids will need it when the receive the money for the rights to their story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anto Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, JAZZDOG said: I have a job waiting for him whenever he wants. Don't think him and the kids will need it when the receive the money for the rights to their story. What type of job ? Anyway if they survive this they should all get some help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sheryl Posted July 10, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2018 It often takes several news stories with a bit of myth and a bit of fact to reach the truth. 1.he led them in by himself. 2. The parents sent him to get the boys. As it turns out he was going on a well planned trip that has been undertaken many times, including with the lead coach. On that day the coach was busy, so he instructed ekapol to lead the team. It was supposed to be a 45 minutes trip with a bike ride. The coach had told ekapol to ride behind the children and take precautions, including carrying torches, food and water. The parents were all aware of this team building exercise. Nobody was forced and parents were always allowed to pick up kids directly after practice. But they chose the stronger path to lead their boys to be great outdoors men. Unfortunately, just a couple of kilometres into the cave, the skies burst and ekapol was forced to make life and death decisions for his team that he would protect with his life. He chose to lead them to the safest part of the cave, teach them to be calm , meditate , and gave them his own small ration of food whilst endangering his own life. He saved those boys life and he most certainly is a hero. Yes, this is what I have gathered also from what I have read of interviews with parents, the head coach, the team mates who did not join that day and even the shopproprietor who sold them their snacks.The trip was planned, flashlights etc brought along, parents aware, head coach aware and none of the many adults who knew of this anticipated a problem They had gone many times before and the rains had not yet started im earnest and the cave was still officially open.Obviously in retrospect that cave should be closed from a much earlier date. But hindsight is always 20-20. Quite a number of adults familiar with the cave and local to the region did not anticipate what happened.Sent from my SM-J701F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAZZDOG Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Sheryl said: Yes, this is what I have gathered also from what I have read of interviews with parents, the head coach, the team mates who did not join that day and even the shopproprietor who sold them their snacks. The trip was planned, flashlights etc brought along, parents aware, head coach aware and none of the many adults who knew of this anticipated a problem They had gone many times before and the rains had not yet started im earnest and the cave was still officially open. Obviously in retrospect that cave should be closed from a much earlier date. But hindsight is always 20-20. Quite a number of adults familiar with the cave and local to the region did not anticipate what happened. Sent from my SM-J701F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app I read somewhere the head coach was quoted as saying he would never had approved the trip. Maybe fake news or saving face. Lots of here say but at the end of the day the kids likely would have gone it alone and without Ek they likely would have perished. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAZZDOG Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, anto said: What type of job ? Anyway if they survive this they should all get some help. My restaurant/hotel. Seems like a fine young man that would be an asset to any business owner. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 1 hour ago, wgdanson said: There are warning signs on the Thai roads, but who takes any notice of them? They could have taken their responsibilities more seriously and watch the weather rather than relying on standard weather pattern. As it happened, there were off season heavy rain in June that flooded the cave entrapping the kids and coach. Sensing heavy rainfall, they should get off their hinds and barricade the entrance. Weather pattern has changed; we know but not the Forest Dept. attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenchair Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 1 hour ago, JAZZDOG said: I read somewhere the head coach was quoted as saying he would never had approved the trip. Maybe fake news or saving face. Lots of here say but at the end of the day the kids likely would have gone it alone and without Ek they likely would have perished. Well that can't be right, because the head coach recieved a message and he went to the cave to find them. So he knew where they were. Everyone knew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 1 hour ago, greenchair said: Well that can't be right, because the head coach recieved a message and he went to the cave to find them. So he knew where they were. Everyone knew. As has been widely reported the group had visited the cave multiple times before, but this was the first time in rainy season. There was the rub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenchair Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jingthing said: As has been widely reported the group had visited the cave multiple times before, but this was the first time in rainy season. There was the rub. Well the report that I read said the excursion was preplanned, and the head coach was supposed to take them but something came up, so he sent ekapol with safety instructions before they departed. So, as the assistant coach he was doing as he was told. The parents all knew too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, greenchair said: Well the report that I read said the excursion was preplanned, and the head coach was supposed to take them but something came up, so he sent ekapol with safety instructions before they departed. So, as the assistant coach he was doing as he was told. The parents all knew too. Yes, I also think the trip was pre-planned and not a secret. However, as an adult the assistant coach would presumably have the free will to decide to call it off based on it being the rainy season. He didn't. He should have. Doesn't make him a bad person or a criminal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAZZDOG Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 1 hour ago, greenchair said: Well that can't be right, because the head coach recieved a message and he went to the cave to find them. So he knew where they were. Everyone knew. ABC 20/20 is having an hour special tonight and the head coach will be on. Needless to say the news has been muddled. He didn't state he didn't know were they where. The statement was the he would not have approved the trip. Maybe throw the assistant under the bus, who knows he has kept under the radar. ABC 20/20 is having an hour special tonight and the head coach will be on. Needless to say the news has been muddled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domdom Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 I must say I was quite surprised the subject was not raised earlier, as this would have been the main subject in US or Europe.. Whom to blame ? How to make some money out of that.. Of course this young guy is responsible for taking the kids inside.. I do think he took very good care of them inside and is surely also the one who kept them safe, quiet and healthy inside.. On top of it, this guy has had a very tough life.. According to me he already has been punished enough for the guilt he bares and the fear he surely lived with for the 10 days they spent alone inside without knowing if they would be saved.. If charged for this, he could have to pay a lot of damages including the cost of all the rescue.. Of course, the worst part is the navy seal who died.. Otherwise, if everybody comes out safely, losses are only costs and time spent... I wish they don t harasse this guy.. Again he has been punished enough.. Those 2 weeks will bad memories will soon be forgotten by the kids.. Have a nice day 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 It only makes sense that the focus now needs to be on rescuing the remaining five people in there. I feel confident that the assistant coach will be received with a lot of compassion for what he's been through and his role in helping the group survive. That doesn't mean that the story of why they went in in the first place shouldn't be looked at if for nothing else, future lessons for others. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kohsamida Posted July 10, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2018 (edited) FAKE NEWS HEADLINE! The author of that article should be ashamed of themself! The police must investigate the case of course. That does not warrant the headline "Coach to face charges". In all likelihood, the only reason those kids are still alive right now is because that man was there for them. Just unbelievable to me that anyone would write a headline like that or promote it! Shameful IMO! Edited July 10, 2018 by Kohsamida 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 34 minutes ago, Jingthing said: 38 minutes ago, greenchair said: Well the report that I read said the excursion was preplanned, and the head coach was supposed to take them but something came up, so he sent ekapol with safety instructions before they departed. So, as the assistant coach he was doing as he was told. The parents all knew too. Yes, I also think the trip was pre-planned and not a secret. However, as an adult the assistant coach would presumably have the free will to decide to call it off based on it being the rainy season. He didn't. He should have. Doesn't make him a bad person or a criminal. agree with you. no big deal as he simply used thai intellectual prowess and acumen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AleG Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 50 minutes ago, Kohsamida said: FAKE NEWS HEADLINE! The author of that article should be ashamed of themself! The police must investigate the case of course. That does not warrant the headline "Coach to face charges". In all likelihood, the only reason those kids are still alive right now is because that man was there for them. Just unbelievable to me that anyone would write a headline like that or promote it! Shameful IMO! You know what's funny? This forum has this rule: 9) You will not post inflammatory messages on the forum, or attempt to disrupt discussions to upset its participants, or trolling. Trolling can be defined as the act of purposefully antagonizing other people on the internet by posting controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion. This "news" falls squarely within that definition of trolling. The false headline has one purpose, to create outrage, unfortunately too many swallowed it hook, line and sinker. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kohsamida Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, AleG said: You know what's funny? This forum has this rule: 9) You will not post inflammatory messages on the forum, or attempt to disrupt discussions to upset its participants, or trolling. Trolling can be defined as the act of purposefully antagonizing other people on the internet by posting controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion. This "news" falls squarely within that definition of trolling. The false headline has one purpose, to create outrage, unfortunately too many swallowed it hook, line and sinker. True but my issue was not so much with the person who posted it to TVF as it is with the reporter from the newspaper who posted the story to begin with. It was classic "fake news" designed merely to boost readership, and at the expense of someone who many rightfully believe to be a real hero in all of this. At the very least, this is one of the few topics on TVF that deserves to be as free as possible from trolling and such nonsense as this article, and all the discussion that's resulted from it. What happened, and is happening in those caves is an amazing story of courage, bravery, and sacrifice, not only of those kids, but of the rescuers, especially the one that gave his life. It should be respected as such. Edited July 10, 2018 by Kohsamida 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AleG Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Kohsamida said: True but my issue was not so much with the person who posted it to TVF as it is with the reporter from the newspaper who posted the story to begin with. It was classic "fake news" designed merely to boost readership, and at the expense of someone who many rightfully believe to be a real hero in all of this. Yes, I agree completely. But you would think that with the stink raised about Fake News in the past few years people would be less susceptible to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kohsamida Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, AleG said: Yes, I agree completely. But you would think that with the stink raised about Fake News in the past few years people would be less susceptible to it. Yeah I guess you're right; it's still wrong though. We live in real curious times ? Edited July 10, 2018 by Kohsamida Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cake Monster Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 The only charges that should be faced, should be faced by the Thai Authorities for not properly making the cave ( and presumably others ) safe. Caves are really not the kind of places that should be left unguarded or open, in order that anybody can just walk on in . A sign saying " do not enter from 1st July until, September " is in no way a safety precaution, as the current situation clearly demonstrates. Shame on the Authorities for even thinking about bringing charges on this guy,. Has he not been through enough already ? without the torment of some morons trying to score points. The Parents of the kids already say they do not blame him, and after all, it was their kids affected 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balo Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 This is Thailand, he is a hero here, only foreignera who think like westerners will try to blame him for what happened. He has also been a monk for many years , practising Buddism and that will only help him to become more famous and heroic in the eyes of most Thais. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kohsamida Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, balo said: This is Thailand, he is a hero here, only foreignera who think like westerners will try to blame him for what happened. He has also been a monk for many years , practising Buddism and that will only help him to become more famous and heroic in the eyes of most Thais. Good point; Westerners are so litigious LOL! Always have to find someone to blame. A monk? I had no idea. Sounds like a pretty decent guy. Edited July 10, 2018 by Kohsamida 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheryl Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Well the report that I read said the excursion was preplanned, and the head coach was supposed to take them but something came up, so he sent ekapol with safety instructions before they departed. So, as the assistant coach he was doing as he was told. The parents all knew too. My understanding also. The head coach woukd have gone but had a schedule conflict.Sent from my SM-J701F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tifino Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 There's only one way to control people going in... I'm amazed the authorities hadn't realised the potential in this? they will now - because tourists now know the place is there or is it that it'd mean they'd have to become responsible for other people's actions from now on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokSausage Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 3 hours ago, domdom said: I must say I was quite surprised the subject was not raised earlier, as this would have been the main subject in US or Europe.. Whom to blame ? How to make some money out of that.. Of course this young guy is responsible for taking the kids inside.. I do think he took very good care of them inside and is surely also the one who kept them safe, quiet and healthy inside.. On top of it, this guy has had a very tough life.. According to me he already has been punished enough for the guilt he bares and the fear he surely lived with for the 10 days they spent alone inside without knowing if they would be saved.. If charged for this, he could have to pay a lot of damages including the cost of all the rescue.. Of course, the worst part is the navy seal who died.. Otherwise, if everybody comes out safely, losses are only costs and time spent... I wish they don t harasse this guy.. Again he has been punished enough.. Those 2 weeks will bad memories will soon be forgotten by the kids.. Have a nice day "If charged for this, he could have to pay a lot of damages including the cost of all the rescue " Sure absolutely very good point! He should be able to negotiate payments down to 20 baht a day from his 300 baht per day income and in about a million years the debt is resolved. Win win ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Media1 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 (edited) On 7/10/2018 at 7:18 PM, BangkokSausage said: "If charged for this, he could have to pay a lot of damages including the cost of all the rescue " Sure absolutely very good point! He should be able to negotiate payments down to 20 baht a day from his 300 baht per day income and in about a million years the debt is resolved. Win win ! Now I sit on the fence. He is careless the coach but I don't think he had any bad intentions. Shit happens and there are many worse things happening. This just became a media spectacle. Next Edited July 12, 2018 by Media1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhys Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 ...and yet they are moving on with their lives.. we shall see, but the money makers will not let them? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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