BREAKING NEWS Rescuers begin evacuation of 'Tham Luang 13'

[Sheryl]

@elonmusk

Elon Musk Retweeted BBC Breaking News

Extremely talented dive team. Makes sense given monsoon. Godspeed.

 

[smutcakes]

Just now, berybert said:

Did it state that is t he amount of people who went into the cave this morning ?
They were already divers in with the kids and have been ever since they were found. 

 

No it did not and what does it matter. I was simply pointing out that is what the news channels have been running with.

[Brunolem]

1 minute ago, smutcakes said:

Not that it matters but on the news i have seen it has quite clearly stated a team of 18. 5 Thai Seals and 13 foregin. Its irrelevant anyway. They hqve obviously decided on tbe best course of action based on the situqtiom on the ground. Who are anyone here to question it.

There has been some confusion in the numbers provided by different sources.

 

Anyway, let's not forget that the diving part is much shorter, in length, than the walking part, which is why not that many divers may be required...a lot of rock climbing appears to be also on the menu, and that is left to other specialists...

[PMZ]

44 minutes ago, TSF said:

Why can't they bring them all out at the same time? 2 divers with 1 kid, and a couple meters behind 2 divers with another kid, and a couple meters behind....so they will all be out of there within 30-40 minutes of each other.

The passages are very narrow in some places, here is a clip from the diving team:

Link removed, as it seems it was fake.

 

Edited July 8, 2018 by PMZ

[Briggsy]

Just now, PMZ said:

The passages are very narrow in some places, here is a clip from the diving team:

https://t.co/HjO1zbr0My?ssr=true

 

This is an already debunked fake. Do keep up and be careful not to repost fake news.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 minute ago, Briggsy said:

That's a very bad idea. You don't want a log jam.

 

I would imagine, based on common sense, that they're only going to move one kid at a time -- (along with accompanying diver(s)) -- through any of the constricted/underwater passages.

 

And would not start the next kid until the prior kid and diver(s) have reached some reasonably safe/viable location on the other side.  That's just a guess, but seems a reasonable one.

 

[billd766]

13 minutes ago, Lampang2 said:

You don't think some of the divers can do more than 1 round trip?

Possibly some other divers are starting from where the kids are.

I would not over-analyze this "problem"

 

TBH no they cannot.

 

If you think carefully about the situation it will be about a 12 hour return trip for the divers.

 

They will need a 12 hour recovery period to eat, sleepshower, clean clothes etc and relax.

 

I certainly wouldn't put the team straight back in again after a 12 hour shift which would mean that they would do 24 hours on and zero off. They would be, to put it politely, knackered after the first run. Tiredness breeds mistakes, and in this situation even simple mistakes can kill.

 

After that another they can do another trip. IMHO in the meantime there will be a second and possibly a third team working to rescue the boys working perhaps 4 hours apart and the first team should be back up on line 12 hours later in rotation.

[ttrd]

1 minute ago, Brunolem said:

Nothing will go wrong if there is no panic attack among the children.

 

The pros have gone in and out of the cave hundreds of time by now, and probably know every centimeter of it.

 

Against panic, there are very efficient medicines (bromazepam for example).

On top of that, these children don't appear to be easily panicked, considering how they managed to survive 10 days in complete obscurity while keeping good spirits...

Unfortunately several things can go wrong  thats why it is considered as a risky operation. The challenge related to the childrens unknown behaviour under water is one thing, but you are as well fighting against the nature where especially the tiny access routes are at risk to be blocked by stones moving due to the strong underwater currents and so on...

 

Fingers xrossed for a successfull operation!

[Briggsy]

2 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

I would imagine, based on common sense, that they're only going to move one kid at a time -- (along with accompanying diver(s)) -- through any of the constricted/underwater passages.

 

And would not start the next kid until the prior kid and diver(s) have reached some reasonably safe/viable location on the other side.  That's just a guess, but seems a reasonable one.

 

Indeed, that is what I said, or at least have sensible gaps to wide passing places. You definitely need to control traffic flow down there. Not just the kids but the divers also. Who is going through what sector in what direction at what time must be planned out very well.

Edited July 8, 2018 by Briggsy

[Brunolem]

3 minutes ago, Briggsy said:

That's a very bad idea. You don't want a log jam.

Considering that the communication inside is very difficult, it seems likely that once they have reached their destination, a team of divers will hand a child to another team, maybe of climbers, and then swim back to inform that the next team can move forward...and so on...indeed to avoid a log jam...

[stanleycoin]

I wish you all the luck in the world Boys 

[Jan Van Caeyzeele]

The best controllers are on shore. We have the duty to hope alongside the Thai people for a good outcome

[balo]

3 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

I would imagine, based on common sense, that they're only going to move one kid at a time -- (along with accompanying diver(s)) -- through any of the constricted/underwater passages.

 

And would not start the next kid until the prior kid and diver(s) have reached some reasonably safe/viable location on the other side.

 

Yes , that means the whole group could be moved through the first narrow passage and they would be safe and can relax on a dry location with oxygen . 

 

If they do it this way they would not be out in a hurry , could take all day and night. 

[Briggsy]

1 minute ago, balo said:

If they do it this way they would not be out in a hurry , could take all day and night. 

Let us hope the rain holds off and the pumps and water diversion work optimally.

[Spidey]

1 minute ago, billd766 said:

 

TBH no they cannot.

 

If you think carefully about the situation it will be about a 12 hour return trip for the divers.

 

They will need a 12 hour recovery period to eat, sleepshower, clean clothes etc and relax.

 

I certainly wouldn't put the team straight back in again after a 12 hour shift which would mean that they would do 24 hours on and zero off. They would be, to put it politely, knackered after the first run. Tiredness breeds mistakes, and in this situation even simple mistakes can kill.

 

After that another they can do another trip. IMHO in the meantime there will be a second and possibly a third team working to rescue the boys working perhaps 4 hours apart and the first team should be back up on line 12 hours later in rotation.

Apparently, 3 relatively short but difficult dives to exit the cave, most of the journey is on foot. Probably 4 divers controlling each dive location. Therefore, 2 divers take one child through the first dive, he is then walked to the next dive location by navy seals and handed over to the dive team at the next location etc. until he is out. Also, would make sense to only have one child on a dive at any point in the cave at any one time.

[Lampang2]

 
TBH no they cannot.
 
If you think carefully about the situation it will be about a 12 hour return trip for the divers.
 
They will need a 12 hour recovery period to eat, sleepshower, clean clothes etc and relax.
 
I certainly wouldn't put the team straight back in again after a 12 hour shift which would mean that they would do 24 hours on and zero off. They would be, to put it politely, knackered after the first run. Tiredness breeds mistakes, and in this situation even simple mistakes can kill.
 
After that another they can do another trip. IMHO in the meantime there will be a second and possibly a third team working to rescue the boys working perhaps 4 hours apart and the first team should be back up on line 12 hours later in rotation.

As I understand it, they plan on 2-3 days until completion.

In that case this would be the 1st shift.

[PMZ]

8 minutes ago, Briggsy said:

This is an already debunked fake. Do keep up and be careful not to repost fake news.

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Well if this infogram is accurate, there are some very restrictive sections.

Either way, to the post I was responding to, there are some very narrow areas and bringing all out at once is not possible.

[skippybangkok]

Having done some basic cave diving , anxiety is the main issue. They can come out if the boys remain calm


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[Kohsamida]

34 minutes ago, tingtongtourist said:

thanks. i was talking about a thaivisa thread but that question now answered thanks UbonJoe

 

about nonsense..i just dont see any sense in wading through  1000x  "good luck boys"

im sure they are not watching thaivisa.

 

likewise, prayers, god bless, god speed

 

all this is about as heartwarming and useful as 

"our hearts and prayers are with them at this difficult time"  from someone like Trump

 

still good to read the positive talk here  and scroll between this and the news thread.

 

 lets HOPE for a speedy safe result!

I think this event has genuinely touched a lot of people on an emotional level here on TVF.  Perhaps many of them feel the frustration of only being able to be an observer, and just want to contribute something positive even if it's just a "good wishes" gesture. 

 

I know it can be distracting as far as keeping up with the facts, but on the other hand, It's kind of nice to see people coming together and really caring about other people, instead of the usual nonsense and petty squabbles that normally fill the pages of TVF.  Just sayin'...

Edited July 8, 2018 by Kohsamida

[Brunolem]

13 minutes ago, billd766 said:

 

TBH no they cannot.

 

If you think carefully about the situation it will be about a 12 hour return trip for the divers.

 

They will need a 12 hour recovery period to eat, sleepshower, clean clothes etc and relax.

 

I certainly wouldn't put the team straight back in again after a 12 hour shift which would mean that they would do 24 hours on and zero off. They would be, to put it politely, knackered after the first run. Tiredness breeds mistakes, and in this situation even simple mistakes can kill.

 

After that another they can do another trip. IMHO in the meantime there will be a second and possibly a third team working to rescue the boys working perhaps 4 hours apart and the first team should be back up on line 12 hours later in rotation.

It seems unlikely that one team of divers will accompany one child all the way.

More likely is that each team is assigned to a specific passage, with the children being taken care of by a succession of teams.

It would be a waste of competence to have the divers accompany the children along the many walking parts of the trip...rock climbers are best fitted for that...

Edited July 8, 2018 by Brunolem

[Eligius]

6 minutes ago, Kohsamida said:

I think this event has genuinely touched a lot of people on an emotional level.  Perhaps many of them feel the frustration of only being able to be an observer, and just want to contribute something positive even if it's just a "good wishes" gesture. I know it can be distracting as far as keeping up with the facts, but on the other hand, It's kind of nice to see people really caring about other people, instead of the usual nonsense and petty squabbles that normally fill the pages of TVF.  Just sayin'...

Absolutely right, Kohsamida. I cannot remember another time on Thaivisa when almost everyone has come together in the utmost sincerity of shared compassion and goodwill as we are seeing over this nightmarish set of events. I think people's hearts have been deeply touched by the precarious fate of these brave young footballers (and rescuers)  - and it is only natural that some of us express our emotion (even emotionality) about it all pretty passionately and compassionately. It is a sign that we care!

 

Edited July 8, 2018 by Eligius

[RBOP]

16 minutes ago, PMZ said:

The passages are very narrow in some places, here is a clip from the diving team:

https://t.co/HjO1zbr0My?ssr=true

 

Sorry thats a misleading link. That's a clip from a reality tv show of claustic phobic experiences from cave diving in Wisconsin. Easy to find it on Youtube. 

[AleG]

Those kids have proven themselves to be survivors, they'll get through I'm sure.

 

1 hour ago, Sheryl said:

Unofficial translation, press conference (Governor)

"Some might ask what we have been waiting for. It was the water and the health of the boys and making all the necessary preparations and rehearsals, we have been finalyzing the plan/steps for the last 2-3 days"

 

Meanwhile Khaosod runs an article calling the organization of the rescue a circus...
Once the kids are out some journalists should be taken for a one way trip to the chamber were they were found. ?

[Sheryl]

13 foreign divers, paired up with navy Seals.

 

You could not do this with foreigners only, the children need to be with someone they can communicate with. But the expertise of the foreigners, all of them top in the field of cave rescues, is also critical.

 

Contrary to what some posters claimed or assumed on other threads, at no time in this have foreigners been sidelined or foreign expertise not fully utilized. Very, very much the opposite. There might be a few individual foreigners who were sidelined -- one I know ultimately got banned from the site -- but that is another matter specific to problems with those individuals.

 

the Thai authorities get absolutely top marks in my book for fully availing of the very best expertise regardless of country of origin.

 

Of the 13, I know that it includes at least 4 British cave rescue experts (including the 2 who first found the kids) and US Navy Seals. Not sure if other nationalities also among the 13 or not.

[BangkokSausage]

58 minutes ago, yougivemebaby said:

What could possibly go wrong ? 

[Aussieroaming]

Epic, shows how the world can rally when needed.well done all

[Sheryl]

8 minutes ago, AleG said:

Those kids have proven themselves to be survivors, they'll get through I'm sure.

 

 

Meanwhile Khaosod runs an article calling the organization of the rescue a circus...
Once the kids are out some journalists should be taken for a one way trip to the chamber were they were found. ?

If it is the article I'm thinking of, what they referred to was a "media circus", not the relief effort itself.

 

There definitely was a media circus, always is, and the authorities has now quite rightly made them all decamp to another location away from the site. (It does mean that the various live streams from media are pretty boring, though....just shots of all the media and the mountain in the far distance).

[tingtongtourist]

6 minutes ago, Kohsamida said:

I think this event has genuinely touched a lot of people on an emotional level.  Perhaps many of them feel the frustration of only being able to be an observer, and just want to contribute something positive even if it's just a "good wishes" gesture. I know it can be distracting as far as keeping up with the facts, but on the other hand, It's kind of nice to see people really caring about other people, instead of the usual nonsense and petty squabbles that normally fill the pages of TVF.  Just sayin'...

ok, good point and must agree.

who is to know, maybe possible that a positive vibes can create some energy we cant explain.

the trouble is every now and then some troll cannot help him/her self but post some garbage.

 

I see a post that Sheryl will be kicking the trolls back under the bridge as soon as they pop out, so that is a good thing!

[tukkytuktuk]

The operation began at 10am so the first boy must be through the 1st dive.

[Brunolem]

6 minutes ago, Eligius said:

Absolutely right, Kohsamida. I cannot remember another time on Thaivisa when almost everyone has come together in the utmost sincerity of shared compassion and goodwill as we are seeing over this nightmarish set of events. I think people's hearts have been deeply touched by the precarious fate of these brave young footballers (and rescuers)  - and it is only natural that some of us express our emotion (even emotionality) about it all pretty passionately and compassionately. It is a sign that we care!

 

What really moved me was seeing this children...smiling!

In their situation, I would have become a nervous wreck, if I had managed to survive at all!

People seem to take it as normal that these children were and are in good spirits, not thinking about the ordeal they went through.

They deserve our (at least mine) respect for the incredible strength of mind they have shown!