Popular Post tropo Posted July 10, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2018 Just now, overherebc said: Yep. If the system ins't broken no need to fix it. If safety can be improved by using modern tech, why wouldn't you use it? I think the mini-sub is brilliant, and bear in mind conditions in the cave can rapidly change at any time due to heavy rainfall. Only the people actually doing the rescuing would be in a position to assess the risks. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overherebc Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, tropo said: If safety can be improved by using modern tech, why wouldn't you use it? I think the mini-sub is brilliant, and bear in mind conditions in the cave can rapidly change at any time due to heavy rainfall. Only the people actually doing the rescuing would be in a position to assess the risks. At the end of the day the way that works is the best way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overherebc Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, tropo said: If safety can be improved by using modern tech, why wouldn't you use it? I think the mini-sub is brilliant, and bear in mind conditions in the cave can rapidly change at any time due to heavy rainfall. Only the people actually doing the rescuing would be in a position to assess the risks. At the end of the day the way that works is the best way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smutcakes Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, tropo said: If safety can be improved by using modern tech, why wouldn't you use it? I think the mini-sub is brilliant, and bear in mind conditions in the cave can rapidly change at any time due to heavy rainfall. Only the people actually doing the rescuing would be in a position to assess the risks. They have tested in for 10 mins in a pool. It may be a brilliant piece of equipment in a year after numerous refinements, checks, tests etc etc. It will not and should not be even being considered as a viable option in this rescue, something i am sure Elon and his team are well aware of that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post overherebc Posted July 10, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, smutcakes said: They have tested in for 10 mins in a pool. It may be a brilliant piece of equipment in a year after numerous refinements, checks, tests etc etc. It will not and should not be even being considered as a viable option in this rescue, something i am sure Elon and his team are well aware of that. I would hazard a guess that the simple human contact between the divers and the kids has played a very big part in this. A squeeze of the hand, touch on the shoulder and if visibility is good enough a big grin works wonders. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropo Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 15 minutes ago, overherebc said: At the end of the day the way that works is the best way. You missed the point about changing conditions - i.e. flooding of tunnels that were dry yesterday and much stronger currents. What worked yesterday may not work today, or tomorrow. At the very least, what was reasonably safe yesterday may be very dangerous today. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropo Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 17 minutes ago, smutcakes said: They have tested in for 10 mins in a pool. It may be a brilliant piece of equipment in a year after numerous refinements, checks, tests etc etc. It will not and should not be even being considered as a viable option in this rescue, something i am sure Elon and his team are well aware of that. It's a sealed capsule, not a rocket engine. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post simon43 Posted July 10, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2018 While this mini-sub may not be required for this rescue, it makes absolute sense to leave it at the cave. Experienced divers could then test it out at a later date, see if it's a viable rescue system, modify it etc with EM's technical help, and then have a practical rescue system that could be used in future rescues (wherever they might occur in the world). 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keeniau96 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Good intention but having done cave diving it would not be useful in tight curved places. Good intentions but little value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post zaphod reborn Posted July 10, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2018 I think this would have been useful if the conditions made cave diving no longer the most reliable option. It isn't over, as 5 more still need to be rescued. The rain was not as severe as expected today, so best of luck to them in attempting the final extraction. No one should disparage Musk, because his option may have been the better one, had weather conditions been much worse. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balo Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 This is just crazy. Leave the boys and the divers alone and go back to Australia in your private jet and invent stuff. Too late and not enough tests.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bubba Posted July 10, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Oziex1 said: I kinda like Musk but don't care for this gratuitous self promotion at this time. I can't see a lot of gratuitous self-promotion here. He has given no interviews or appeared on camera from the site, there has been no big news release - hardly anything apart from a couple of tweets and an Instagram post. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tifino Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Chang_paarp said: Might be useful to transport multiple air tanks to make the resupply job a little easier. excepting that air tanks are not flexible; thereby negating the design, for your suggested purpose ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve73 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 1 hour ago, wgdanson said: He's leaving it here, so maybe the Thais can adapt it for space flight. Let the great divers carry on their brave, selfless task. All out soon. It'll get used at the next rocket festival.... Also, I hear that Tesla are planning on opening a Thai dealership... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katipo Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Nice they he popped on over. Raising the international profile of such tragedies will hopefully push the authorities into taking action to prevent more. I'd love to know what measures were in place to make people aware or prevent the altogether from going into a cave which has a well known annual flooding problem. Getting back to musk. We all knew their wasn't enough space to fit such a contraption through the tighter tunnel spaces, so there is no reason to think he didn't as well. Kind of makes his efforts seem superfluous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandrabbit Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 1 hour ago, pegman said: What if one of those remaining kids becomes incapacitated? What then smart guy? How long would this project have taken to produce? Days or a week, not hours. Plus fly it over personally all at his own expense. At the risk of sounding Trump like I'll just say, "Great Canadian guy, EH!". South African? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DrTuner Posted July 10, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2018 Musk is the kind of fella that gets shit done. Was surprised to learn some Americans don't like him. Luckily he's not a yankee himself so who cares. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JAZZDOG Posted July 10, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2018 Some very revealing comments from a group that collectively have put forth ZERO efforts toward rescuing these kids. Thanks for people like EM who put their money and expertise to work to help people as opposed to just blowing smoke on here attempting to up their community reputation numbers. You know who you are and you should be ashamed. 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkfish Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Ahah he stole my idea! At that time experts were recommending not diving as it was too dangerous. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lazybones Posted July 10, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, smutcakes said: Did he really try and believe that his solution was workable at this late stage? Or is it all a bit of good PR. In showing his willingness to stand behind his tech i suggest that Elon volunteer to test the protoype before the kids in the cave go in it. If its not ready, what is the point in him being here and delivering it? And stated it loud and clear that the Thai government requested him to do it! Edited July 10, 2018 by Lazybones 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nahkit Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Could anyone actually see the mini-sub in the clip he posted from the cave? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chivo Posted July 10, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2018 In a situation as threatening as this, it is wise to have as many back-up plans in place as possible. If one kid can’t dive for some reason, (passes out, panics...) the sub is there in case. Smart. Thoughtful. Generous. Yes the divers are doing an amazing kick-ass job. And their plan should be followed first. But this is great of Elon Musk. Think positive. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smutcakes Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Lazybones said: And stated it loud and clear that the Thai government requested him to do it! So on having this cave problem with many other foreign experts here, the Thai Government thought, okay who can we contact to help, Oh yes, well known rescue diver Elon Musk!. What complete and utter twaddle...... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandrabbit Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, smutcakes said: So on having this cave problem with many other foreign experts here, the Thai Government thought, okay who can we contact to help, Oh yes, well known rescue diver Elon Musk!. What complete and utter twaddle...... Who you gonna call? .......... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGW Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, chivo said: In a situation as threatening as this, it is wise to have as many back-up plans in place as possible. If one kid can’t dive for some reason, (passes out, panics...) the sub is there in case. Smart. Thoughtful. Generous. Yes the divers are doing an amazing kick-ass job. And their plan should be followed first. But this is great of Elon Musk. Think positive. ^Proof that this was a well thought out PR exercise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oziex1 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 1 hour ago, tropo said: You don't like the mini-sub? Mini sub is cool, just seems a bit unnecessary at this late stage when plan A seems to be working fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connda Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 No need for guinea pigs considering that they have a tried and true extraction method. However, for future reference, perhaps the Thai government should issue him a permit to test the sub in the cave labyrinth afterwards should future rescues in other caves be necessary. Doubt if we'll see this fiasco at Tham Luang again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansnl Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 2 hours ago, sup3r1or said: For all the haters etc, yes I agree its too late. He should have done it earlier. However what about other billionaires like Bill Gates, Tim Cook, Warren B, Paul Allen, Richard Branson etc.? Nobody ever tried to help or step-in from that group of people. Musk may have been late, but he tried and done what he could. So props to him for that. Since when are the very rich really philanthropic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IamNoone88 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Musk got great global PR exposure worth millions for latching onto the real heroes in this rescue - who quietly got on with the job with absolute composure and hardly a Tweet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post cardinalblue Posted July 10, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2018 (edited) These are the weakest kids going out today.... one panic attack can lead to disastrous consequences... need to assess kids and their abilities.... not so far fetched....definitely could be used in a variety of underwater confined space scenarios in the future... disaster leads to an invention...hats off to him for coming up with idea....that's why he is who he is and the rest are on message boards.. invention and creativity at its best....he didn't do it for PR reasons....you think he needs PR? Get serious.... Edited July 10, 2018 by cardinalblue 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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