Illegal PET in CONDO, what can condo management do against a CONDO OWNER ?

[goegoe]

hello,

 

Girlfriend is owner of her condo (fully paid).

Her cat was staying with parents but she brought it to her place.

Someone at the condo heard the cat even though he never goes out.

Condo management said that the cat must leave.

 

Question: what can condo management legally do to condo owner who doesn't respect the stupid pet rule ?

Cut water and electricity ? Force to leave the place ?

 

Thank you to tell me what you know about this.

 

 

[KittenKong]

The rule is there because the majority of co-owners wanted it. As such there can be nothing stupid about it.

 

Your GF should have been aware of the building rules before buying in the building. She has chosen to ignore those rules and as far as I can see she has very little to complain about.

 

Depending on what the buildings rules say, management could impose a fine for ignoring the rules but I doubt that it would be considered legal to cut off the water supply, unless she also refused to pay the fine. Services billed by third parties (notably electricity and ADSL) cannot be cut off by the condo management.

 

I would have thought that a fine would be enough to make most people toe the line.

[stud858]

You might find that the management have never ratified these rules and submitted them to the land office. In which case the condo Act does not have a ruling on pets and you have every right to keep your pet in your room. Go and check the rules and regulation document at the land office for your condo. 

Edited July 18, 2018 by stud858

[blackcab]

If the registered condo rules allow it then a fine can be imposed.

 

Here is the relevant extract from a condo in Sathorn. The fine is 1,000 baht per day.

 

 

If you choose to pay the fine and keep the pet, there is little they can do. If you do not pay the fine then your usage of common facilities can be suspended.

 

Obviously the amount of any fine will vary from one condo to another.

 

I have no idea what anyone would do if an owner denied having a cat and instead insisted they watch cat videos on YouTube.

[FritsSikkink]

4 hours ago, blackcab said:

If the registered condo rules allow it then a fine can be imposed.

 

Here is the relevant extract from a condo in Sathorn. The fine is 1,000 baht per day.

 

 

If you choose to pay the fine and keep the pet, there is little they can do. If you do not pay the fine then your usage of common facilities can be suspended.

 

Obviously the amount of any fine will vary from one condo to another.

 

I have no idea what anyone would do if an owner denied having a cat and instead insisted they watch cat videos on YouTube.

Then they could check your waste to find cat litter.

[stud858]

I'm not sure that a Jp can ask for fines to pay other than those overdue stated in condo Act.

I was told by a Jp in one case before a judge that a coowner was told to pay his fees within two years or his condo will be sold by judge,  but that the overdue fine was not enforced.  

Anything can happen in Thailand following or against the law, but I wouldn't be paying unless it was proven there was a direct expense to the condo by my action such as damage was done to curtains by the cat otherwise it's just profiteering by the Jp. But I guess who is toughest wins in the end. 

[watcharacters]

I really like both cats and dogs but both can annoy neighbors.

 

In this case it appears a neighbor was annoyed by the cat.

 

If the other condo owners bought their condos with the understanding no pets are allowed,  would it be fair to them to disregard the pet prohibition?

 

 

 

[anon537687643]

Cat goes or You should be thrown out


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[Vacuum]

How can a cat annoy neighbors? A dog, yes for sure, but a cat.

[Sheryl]

How can a cat annoy neighbors? A dog, yes for sure, but a cat.

A cat can annoy if it is yowling but that should not happen if it is spayed and well cared for. Figuring out and addressing the cause would be my approach. A cat crying loud and long enough to annoy neighbors is in some type of distress.

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[stud858]

5 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

A cat can annoy if it is yowling but that should not happen if it is spayed and well cared for. Figuring out and addressing the cause would be my approach. A cat crying loud and long enough to annoy neighbors is in some type of distress.

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And whoever doesn't like cats are evil. 

[Vacuum]

3 minutes ago, stud858 said:

And whoever doesn't like cats are evil. 

Free-roaming cats can be rather noisy.....

[sammieuk1]

How high is the condo could be made to look like feline suicide the first nine times. 

 

[scorecard]

14 hours ago, KittenKong said:

The rule is there because the majority of co-owners wanted it. As such there can be nothing stupid about it.

 

Your GF should have been aware of the building rules before buying in the building. She has chosen to ignore those rules and as far as I can see she has very little to complain about.

 

Depending on what the buildings rules say, management could impose a fine for ignoring the rules but I doubt that it would be considered legal to cut off the water supply, unless she also refused to pay the fine. Services billed by third parties (notably electricity and ADSL) cannot be cut off by the condo management.

 

I would have thought that a fine would be enough to make most people toe the line.

 

Quote: "The rule is there because the majority of co-owners wanted it. As such there can be nothing stupid about it."

 

Agree, in my old condo in Bkk there was a rule of no pets from day 1, never enforced and the subject os lots of angry discussion at the AGM every year.

 

The problem was smell in the corridors, and into the condo rooms, dogs and cats let loose in the corridors and the dogs frightening children etc and angry dog & cat owners who scolded other people for unlocking the security doors and for allowed pets to go into the lift and go downstairs. And more.

 

The rubbish room on pretty much every floor had overpowering animal animal shxx smells., and litter smells.

 

The AGM came up and the old management company was unanimously removed on the spot. Maybe 2 weeks later the committee (many new members) appointed a new management company who got serious to enforce many building rules (some covered by in-house rules, some covered by Thai law: 

no animals, no gas bottles, a printing factory in the penthouse closed down, machinery all moved out, and more. 

[upu2]

If the condo does not allow for animals / pets then there should be none. When you moved into the condo you signed to agree to these terms and now you want to ignore them. You need to get back to reality, you cant just agree then disagree when it suits you

[Scotssing]

As long as the GF doesn't have a broomstick and a pointy black hat I don't see a problem

[Suradit69]

10 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

Then they could check your waste to find cat litter.

์Not sure how most condos collect rubbish, but in ours there are bins on every floor that are emptied twice daily. Would be difficult to know whose kitty litter it was.

 

Our condo prohibits dogs but cats (or monkeys or gerbils or ....) weren't specifically mentioned. During the brief period when I had a cat I took the used kitty litter down a floor or two just to make sure there was no definite connection to me.

 

We also have signage specifying a fine for smoking in the hallways, feeding birds or feral cats in the parking lot, etc. Can't imagine how any of those would be enforced. 

[cyberfarang]

14 hours ago, blackcab said:

If the registered condo rules allow it then a fine can be imposed.

 

Here is the relevant extract from a condo in Sathorn. The fine is 1,000 baht per day.

 

 

If you choose to pay the fine and keep the pet, there is little they can do. If you do not pay the fine then your usage of common facilities can be suspended.

 

Obviously the amount of any fine will vary from one condo to another.

 

I have no idea what anyone would do if an owner denied having a cat and instead insisted they watch cat videos on YouTube.

Having run 2 management companies for several years, as for keeping pets it depends on the clauses of the lease. If the lease states no pets, then it`s up to the management company to enforce that rule. If not mentioned in the lease then there is nothing the management company can legally do about it, unless the animal becomes a nuisance, such as a dog barking for long periods, attacking people or cats and dogs crapping in the communal areas or the condo in question become a health risk to other residents.

 

If legally imposing a fine there has to be a time limit for the fine to be paid. If the resident ignores the warnings and fails to pay the fine, the management company can push for an eviction via the courts that can take up to 4 years using the system in Thailand. Cutting off essential services or denying a resident access to common facilities without first getting the approval of a court, could be classified as harassment  and taking the law into their own hands.

 

Whatever, a condo is not a suitable environment to keep dogs or cats. 

[1130bobs]

Not sure about Thailand, but in surrounding countries someone would just make a meal of it.  And a fur hat for these frigid winters!

[Suradit69]

54 minutes ago, upu2 said:

When you moved into the condo you signed to agree to these terms and now you want to ignore them.

When I bought my condo there was nothing, at least nothing I saw, that I signed agreeing to any rules. I bought my condo from a Thai lady and the condo management had nothing to do with the transaction.

 

Of course there may be some law or regulation that makes compliance with condo rules mandatory, but that's a different matter.

 

I should make it clear I agree with the ban on dogs. I would love to have a dog, but the thought of hundreds of people keeping dogs and not caring for them or the common areas properly doesn't bear thinking about.

[jippytum]

In our condo a fine is charged . It is not a stupid rule  and it was in force before your girlfriend occupied the unit.A court injunction is required to remove the pet or your girlfriend from the condo.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Jimbo53]

I hate Cats! Smelly noisy B@#$%&!!

[jenny2017]

Don't they say cats have so many lives? Balcony jump? ( Sarcasm, I'm an animal friend) 

 

P{, if you've got an apartment for rent and you don't want to have dogs or cats, wouldn't you be upset when people just ignore the rules? 

Edited July 19, 2018 by jenny2017

[cyberfarang]

13 minutes ago, Suradit69 said:

When I bought my condo there was nothing, at least nothing I saw, that I signed agreeing to any rules. I bought my condo from a Thai lady and the condo management had nothing to do with the transaction.

 

Of course there may be some law or regulation that makes compliance with condo rules mandatory, but that's a different matter.

 

I should make it clear I agree with the ban on dogs. I would love to have a dog, but the thought of hundreds of people keeping dogs and not caring for them or the common areas properly doesn't bear thinking about.

Sorry, but that`s not possible.

 

The management company must give consent for exchange of contracts and before contracts can be exchanged, the seller must be up to date with maintenance fees and free from any disputes. I`ve not known anyone who has purchased a condo without first reading the lease and what`s involved in the maintenance fees. Agreeing to the terms of the lease in part of the contract, you must have signed something agreeing to this. If not there has to be something seriously wrong with the deal.

[jenny2017]

8 minutes ago, Jimbo53 said:

I hate Cats! Smelly noisy B@#$%&!!

An old Chinese proverb. Those who hate cats will never have a good-looking girl/ woman. 

[Lucky mike]

What difference "fully paid" means I don't know ! She buy condo knowing she can't have pets ?  So did everyone else common sense should prevail, what happens if the people next door want to keep a monkey, that be ok ?  

[jenny2017]

19 minutes ago, jippytum said:

In our condo a fine is charged . It is not a stupid rule  and it was in force before your girlfriend occupied the unit.A court injunction is required to remove the pet or your girlfriend from the condo.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Yep, kick her out and set an example. In such bigger buildings, you've got to follow certain rules. 

[Shoeless Joe]

33 minutes ago, Jimbo53 said:

I hate Cats! Smelly noisy B@#$%&!!

Strange Jimbo....they think exactly the same about you!

 

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Regards,

 

Joe

[metisdead]

Some crude troll posts and the replies have been removed. 

[BobBKK]

Simple solutions:  1st committee complaint,  2nd JPM complaint  3rd, agenda item at committee meeting/AGM

 

Owners cannot pick and choose rules which include health & safety, payment of common fees,  renovations, usage of A BnB etc. etc.