'Yingluck did not flee UK; Dubai flight was pre-planned'

[Becker]

6 minutes ago, Juan B Tong said:

Running scared

Are you referring to the junta or to YL?

[eggers]

4 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

When are they going to stop this nonsense?

 

The only way that Yingluck (or Thaksin) is going to return to Thailand is if it is voluntarily. Period.

 

The chances of Yingluck being extradited by the British government are nil. She is a former Prime Minister who was ousted by military coup makers, and people in that situation simply are not extradited. It does not happen. Further, in order to have a legal and legitimate extradition, the British government would have to recognize the "crime", and they do not and will not. Finally, the UK government is not unaware of the Thai "legal" system and all of the problems and issues associated with it; there are Thai specialists at the Foreign office, there are Thai specialists at universities, etc and they would all be consulted if the case ever went through to a hearing. And, Thailand would NOT like that. Unquestionably, the Thai legal system would be judged as 'substandard' and one that does not meet international norms. Oh, by the way, Yingluck can afford the best lawyers in all the UK; what lawyer would serve the Thai government in this?

 

This is just headline making noise on the part of the Junta trying to discredit the Shins. And, it is likely to fail badly. Anyone who already does not like the Shins will continue to not like them, all others will see a failed attempt to bully an accomplished, beautiful, young lady.

 

Sleep well, Yingluck! And send a few pictures now and then...

 

No, there's one other way could return!!

You seem very definitive on why won't be extradited, coup was approved by highest authority, so was legal action by the leadership.

As you may recall the country was heading for total shut-down & disaster due to protests crippling the Gov't & businesses. Whether an extradition  occurs will have to wait & see.

Both, the Puppeteer & the Puppet misappropriated Billions (Bht) of Gov't funds for their own greedy use (proven), if you consider that's fair; your values are skew-whiff!!

Certainly, they couldn't give a s**t for their supporters & the broader Thai population; pair of crooks hope they get 'rough justice', at least!! 

 

[PEE TEE]

4 hours ago, Get Real said:

Can´t care less, anybody?

Yes me cant care  only say She is far too clever to be caught. sort of same as the red Bull guy

  

[Thailand]

3 minutes ago, eggers said:

No, there's one other way could return!!

You seem very definitive on why won't be extradited, coup was approved by highest authority, so was legal action by the leadership.

As you may recall the country was heading for total shut-down & disaster due to protests crippling the Gov't & businesses. Whether an extradition  occurs will have to wait & see.

Both, the Puppeteer & the Puppet misappropriated Billions (Bht) of Gov't funds for their own greedy use (proven), if you consider that's fair; your values are skew-whiff!!

Certainly, they couldn't give a s**t for their supporters & the broader Thai population; pair of crooks hope they get 'rough justice', at least!! 

 

You do remember who was behind protests and who did not intervene?

 

They are  still around and still hatching plots.

[BestB]

It’s funny how her and her brother are always 1 step ahead, makes one wonder if they both are really that smart or junta is that stupid .

[Yann55]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

“Thaksin has his business in many countries and he has to travel all the time. Yingluck often joins him for the trips. Thaksin wants to teach her about doing business,” the source said.

 

Well, he sure taught her well about how to do politics, especially the art of using fragile democratic institutions to claim legitimacy and then diving head first into the trough.

 

He wasn't so good, however, at teaching her how to avoid getting caught. But he makes up for it by teaching her how to scream "these accusations are all politically motivated" afterwards. And it works !

 

Where business is concerned, this guy who many people surprisingly (and naively) regard as astute, experienced and discerning has actually botched an impressive number of business ventures, and in the ones that did make him rich, the (ab)use of his political power played a major part.

 

Personnally I'd rather stay away from such a 'teacher', thank you very much.

 

 

Edited August 3, 2018 by Yann55

[Eric Loh]

Looks like 2 coups and 1 pro junta government have not been successful in nullifying Thaksin & Yingluck popularity and the junta still fearful of the Shin siblings. Big costs to democracy, image, resources and lives to ensure that the junta and elites maintain dominance over the people and money trough. 

[Get Real]

18 minutes ago, PEE TEE said:

Yes me cant care  only say She is far too clever to be caught. sort of same as the red Bull guy

  

If she is far to clever, together with the Red Bull guy, then I will start to consider myself as a genius. 

The reality my dear friend is, that the authorities over here are far to thick to be able to deal with such problems. Also, we have a self-appointed government that other countries do not accept as a democratically elected body of trust.

[Eric Loh]

1 minute ago, Get Real said:

If she is far to clever, together with the Red Bull guy, then I will start to consider myself as a genius. 

The reality my dear friend is, that the authorities over here are far to thick to be able to deal with such problems. Also, we have a self-appointed government that other countries do not accept as a democratically elected body of trust.

That’s true and I also add that they have no desire to bring both back. 

[bristolgeoff]

if they knew where she was,who told her and why let her go.seems like a pattern just escapes in time on a jet.i suppose if they wanted her they should do something then

[Songlaw]

1 hour ago, Darkside Gray said:

If the junta is so afraid of the Thaksin's why do they keep bringing them to the public eye  all the time, surely if the are so afraid they would keep quiet and let them fade away.

For the same reason that Trump can't quit blathering about Obama. Well-earned inferiority complexes can be a bugger to overcome.

[BobBKK]

Why flee she's welcome in UK and no doubt she'll be back soon.

[Snig27]

2 hours ago, Darkside Gray said:

If the junta is so afraid of the Thaksin's why do they keep bringing them to the public eye  all the time, surely if the are so afraid they would keep quiet and let them fade away.

Because, as the taxi driver said to me in Singapore last year, "Thailand? Oh, your prime minister is an idiot!"

[HHTel]

17 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

Why flee she's welcome in UK and no doubt she'll be back soon.

Well if she has the visa she's rumoured to have, then she can't spend more than 6 months away from the UK.  Likewise she can't remain in the UK for longer than 6 months at a time.

[Media1]

Prayut and his band of cadets have no chance. No one's listening to unelected men

[johnarth]

2 hours ago, outsider said:

The more the junta tries, there stupider they look. It increases the boldness of the line under the word 'stupid'. Why don't they seem to understand this?

could it be because they are stupid?

[Srikcir]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

the case against her was political and even the court’s name had the word “political”.

Cleverly caught nuance.

Unfortunately, Prime Minister Prayut the Politician can never be held to the same political standards applied to elected politicians. That's another "chink" in the Prayut government demanding Yingluck's extradition.

[The Teacher]

6 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

When are they going to stop this nonsense?

 

The only way that Yingluck (or Thaksin) is going to return to Thailand is if it is voluntarily. Period.

 

The chances of Yingluck being extradited by the British government are nil. She is a former Prime Minister who was ousted by military coup makers, and people in that situation simply are not extradited. It does not happen. Further, in order to have a legal and legitimate extradition, the British government would have to recognize the "crime", and they do not and will not. Finally, the UK government is not unaware of the Thai "legal" system and all of the problems and issues associated with it; there are Thai specialists at the Foreign office, there are Thai specialists at universities, etc and they would all be consulted if the case ever went through to a hearing. And, Thailand would NOT like that. Unquestionably, the Thai legal system would be judged as 'substandard' and one that does not meet international norms. Oh, by the way, Yingluck can afford the best lawyers in all the UK; what lawyer would serve the Thai government in this?

 

This is just headline making noise on the part of the Junta trying to discredit the Shins. And, it is likely to fail badly. Anyone who already does not like the Shins will continue to not like them, all others will see a failed attempt to bully an accomplished, beautiful, young lady.

 

Sleep well, Yingluck! And send a few pictures now and then...

 

It's all about staying one step ahead of the Joker (in this case PM Junta) and it seems very easy because he is losing control over his other Idiots very fast 

[pegman]

6 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

When are they going to stop this nonsense?

 

The only way that Yingluck (or Thaksin) is going to return to Thailand is if it is voluntarily. Period.

 

The chances of Yingluck being extradited by the British government are nil. She is a former Prime Minister who was ousted by military coup makers, and people in that situation simply are not extradited. It does not happen. Further, in order to have a legal and legitimate extradition, the British government would have to recognize the "crime", and they do not and will not. Finally, the UK government is not unaware of the Thai "legal" system and all of the problems and issues associated with it; there are Thai specialists at the Foreign office, there are Thai specialists at universities, etc and they would all be consulted if the case ever went through to a hearing. And, Thailand would NOT like that. Unquestionably, the Thai legal system would be judged as 'substandard' and one that does not meet international norms. Oh, by the way, Yingluck can afford the best lawyers in all the UK; what lawyer would serve the Thai government in this?

 

This is just headline making noise on the part of the Junta trying to discredit the Shins. And, it is likely to fail badly. Anyone who already does not like the Shins will continue to not like them, all others will see a failed attempt to bully an accomplished, beautiful, young lady.

 

Sleep well, Yingluck! And send a few pictures now and then...

 

Hear, hear,  well said. Post of the week to you sir.

[Baerboxer]

6 hours ago, ukrules said:

I suspect that if they were going to arrest her then she wouldn't have been allowed to leave the country.

 

I guess absolute proof of this will be if she returns to the UK at some point in the future.

 

There was nothing to arrest her for when she left. The request hadn't been processed.

 

She went because the Shins don't want the British authorities poking round and they know they would actually look at all the facts. Better to nip off in the private jet to Dubai where their host the dictator of Dubai will welcome them and their financial contributions.

 

So sweet the billionaire siblings can travel the world in their private plane together.

[Baerboxer]

6 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

When are they going to stop this nonsense?

 

The only way that Yingluck (or Thaksin) is going to return to Thailand is if it is voluntarily. Period.

 

The chances of Yingluck being extradited by the British government are nil. She is a former Prime Minister who was ousted by military coup makers, and people in that situation simply are not extradited. It does not happen. Further, in order to have a legal and legitimate extradition, the British government would have to recognize the "crime", and they do not and will not. Finally, the UK government is not unaware of the Thai "legal" system and all of the problems and issues associated with it; there are Thai specialists at the Foreign office, there are Thai specialists at universities, etc and they would all be consulted if the case ever went through to a hearing. And, Thailand would NOT like that. Unquestionably, the Thai legal system would be judged as 'substandard' and one that does not meet international norms. Oh, by the way, Yingluck can afford the best lawyers in all the UK; what lawyer would serve the Thai government in this?

 

This is just headline making noise on the part of the Junta trying to discredit the Shins. And, it is likely to fail badly. Anyone who already does not like the Shins will continue to not like them, all others will see a failed attempt to bully an accomplished, beautiful, young lady.

 

Sleep well, Yingluck! And send a few pictures now and then...

 

 

Clearly the Shins don't share your opinions about what the British courts (note not government) might do or find in their investigations. Better to leg it to a safer haven.

 

On what authority do you speak on behalf of the British government, laws and their opinion of the Thai Justice System? Your opinion, and that is what it is, isn't necessarily theirs. The crime of fraud and negligence in a public office is certainly recognized. The issue, IMO, would be if the UK courts considered the selectivity of which cases are progressed in the Thai system equates to "political persecution" and whether on principle they would extradite a former elected leader, albeit one removed by a court, to a country controlled by a Junta.

 

I believe the UK courts would recognize the crime, by would not consider extradition to a country with a non elected Junta. Whilst they may have thoughts about another judicial system I don't think they would comment on it.

 

Surely no one believes that this is coincidence? That the Shins run the very next day and it was all a coincidence with a planned trip - yeah right.

 

But the Junta don't really want her back. Just stirring the pot to look like they're doing something. Notice they ignore Thaksin with his outstanding conviction and warrants. And don't bother commentating on the sham Red bull boy "extradition" mess.

 

As long as they've got billions their are plenty of countries without extradition treaties with Thailand that will welcome them. Let's see if she goes back to the UK.

[chainarong]

One couldn't imagine that the UK would  agree that Yingluck be extradite back to Thailand , giving the type of Government that has not only unofficially taken up residence in the house of the people,  but boarders on a totalitarian style of Government.

[Elfin]

2 hours ago, ezzra said:

Appearance, lot of people do, the gossip, the gloating and the Schadenfreude factores due to this family notoriety and infamy....

Huh? What are you trying to say?

[brenchng]

7 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

When are they going to stop this nonsense?

 

The only way that Yingluck (or Thaksin) is going to return to Thailand is if it is voluntarily. Period.

 

The chances of Yingluck being extradited by the British government are nil. She is a former Prime Minister who was ousted by military coup makers, and people in that situation simply are not extradited. It does not happen. Further, in order to have a legal and legitimate extradition, the British government would have to recognize the "crime", and they do not and will not. Finally, the UK government is not unaware of the Thai "legal" system and all of the problems and issues associated with it; there are Thai specialists at the Foreign office, there are Thai specialists at universities, etc and they would all be consulted if the case ever went through to a hearing. And, Thailand would NOT like that. Unquestionably, the Thai legal system would be judged as 'substandard' and one that does not meet international norms. Oh, by the way, Yingluck can afford the best lawyers in all the UK; what lawyer would serve the Thai government in this?

 

This is just headline making noise on the part of the Junta trying to discredit the Shins. And, it is likely to fail badly. Anyone who already does not like the Shins will continue to not like them, all others will see a failed attempt to bully an accomplished, beautiful, young lady.

 

Sleep well, Yingluck! And send a few pictures now and then...

 

Well said!!!

[HHTel]

20 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

I believe the UK courts would recognize the crime,

Your knowledge is somewhat limited.  Criminal negligence in the UK has to be proven as follows:

 

Quote

In explaining to juries the test which they should apply to determine whether the negligence, in the particular case, amounted or did not amount to a crime, judges have used many epithets, such as ‘culpable’, ‘criminal’, ‘gross’, ‘wicked’, ‘clear’, ‘complete’. But, whatever epithet be used and whether an epithet be used or not, in order to establish criminal liability the facts must be such that, in the opinion of the jury, the negligence of the accused went beyond a mere matter of compensation between subjects and showed such disregard for the life and safety of others as to amount to a crime against the State and conduct deserving punishment.

The crime that Yingluk Shinawatra was convicted of is not recognised in the UK.

[hotchilli]

“Thaksin has his business in many countries and he has to travel all the time. Yingluck often joins him for the trips. Thaksin wants to teach her about doing business,” the source said.

 

Would have been nice to have done some training before becoming prime minister of the country..

might have worked out different..

but then again history shows the way the "Shinwtra's" do business is somewhat different to others!!

[thaiguzzi]

1 hour ago, The Teacher said:

It's all about staying one step ahead of the Joker (in this case PM Junta) and it seems very easy because he is losing control over his other Idiots very fast 

I'm not seeing it myself, but i do hope so.

[DogsBarkingAllDay]

I envy them so much. So rich and free to travel the world. Always hear their daily news, eat good sleep good.

Always shopping.. 

[Retiredandhappyhere]

4 hours ago, thaichiro said:

She is living in an inactive post. We all know that these people are never brought to justice.

BTW, it would lead to the mother of all domestic strife.

They should hire some Russians to tap the Thaksin bank accounts and repatriate the ill gotten gains. Hit ‘em where it hurts!

The Junta were so sure of the justice of the verdict against her that they arranged for her to leave the country in a police van.  Now they are pretending to want her back, knowing that, in reality, that is the last thing they want.  If the UK bother sto take this matter seriously, then their statement rejecting the extradition application, with the reasons for doing so, can only be a real embarrassment to the Thai Government.

[Basil B]

9 hours ago, webfact said:

The Pheu Thai source yesterday said that the UK was unlikely to extradite Yingluck, as the case against her was political and even the court’s name had the word “political”. Even if Yingluck were arrested in the UK, a court battle against the extradition request would take at least two to three years, the source added.

Why do a runner then?

 

9 hours ago, webfact said:

The flight was part of Yingluck’s travel plans for this year, said the source who requested anonymity.

An open ticket by any chance???

 

Thing is if she is not worried she will return to the UK soon.