Boris Johnson slammed over Islamophobic comments

[anon537687643]

On a more important item ! The leader of Opposition (laughable isn’t it) attended ceremony to remember terrorists ! But he has a history of it. Likes to praise those who murder innocent civilians! http://www.itv.com/news/2018-08-11/corbyn-faces-fresh-questions-over-visit-to-palestinian-graveyard-in-tunisia/


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[Chomper Higgot]

33 minutes ago, markaoffy said:

On a more important item ! The leader of Opposition (laughable isn’t it) attended ceremony to remember terrorists ! But he has a history of it. Likes to praise those who murder innocent civilians! http://www.itv.com/news/2018-08-11/corbyn-faces-fresh-questions-over-visit-to-palestinian-graveyard-in-tunisia/


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Hogwash.

[My Thai Life]

"As a Muslim woman, I’d like to thank Boris Johnson for calling out the niqab...."

 

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/08/as-a-muslim-woman-id-like-to-thank-boris-johnson-for-calling-out-the-niqab/

[bristolboy]

16 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

"As a Muslim woman, I’d like to thank Boris Johnson for calling out the niqab...."

 

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/08/as-a-muslim-woman-id-like-to-thank-boris-johnson-for-calling-out-the-niqab/

I wear a veil – and this is why Boris Johnson should step down as an MP

 

I am writing to say that as a veiled British Muslim woman I found Boris Johnson’s comments on burqa-clad women to be categorically offensive as well as socially divisive.

Not only has he perpetuated the racist bigoted belief that veiled women are shady characters with sinister motives, but he’s also proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is no more than Trump’s transatlantic disciple!

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/letters/boris-johnson-niqab-burka-racism-a8483231.html

[HAKAPALITA]

Diplomatic, today word for Cowards Way Out..?[emoji86]


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[Opl]

2 hours ago, simple1 said:

The Spectator has a history of publishing right wing anti Muslim rhetoric. The Middle East Forum and associated sources such as Daniel Pipes are well known right wing anti Muslim propagandists. Initially when reading the ME Forum article, was thinking fair enough, then the real agenda emerged; vilification.

 

Whilst I support the banning of Islamic full face coverings in the same manner as full face helmets, IMO content supporting total bans is faux outrage,  pragmatically will not stop abuse against women. Mostly just an excuse for further attacks, from the usual sources, against the Muslim community.

 

We- as non muslims oppose the political influence of Salafi in our western societies and defend our values.

If you believe that only far-right supporters share this concern, you're deeply wrong.

When living in a non-muslim country you have to show if you abide by our democratic laws or put Sharia first.

It's as simple as that.

 

https://www.meforum.org/articles/2010/ban-the-burqa-the-argument-in-favor

 

Edited August 13, 2018 by Opl

[Chomper Higgot]

55 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

"As a Muslim woman, I’d like to thank Boris Johnson for calling out the niqab...."

 

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/08/as-a-muslim-woman-id-like-to-thank-boris-johnson-for-calling-out-the-niqab/

Islamophobe discovers Muslims don’t all think the same as each other.

[My Thai Life]

"As a Muslim, I strongly support the right to ban the veil

At last, the European Court of Justice has made a stand for European values"

 

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/03/the-right-to-ban-the-veil-is-good-news-for-everybody-including-muslims/

[Opl]

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Islamophobe discovers Muslims don’t all think the same as each other.

Islamists discover women free speech 

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/08/as-a-muslim-woman-id-like-to-thank-boris-johnson-for-calling-out-the-niqab/

Edited August 13, 2018 by Opl

[owl sees all]

Try to walk into some moske in Saudi wearing a vest, shorts and flip-flops and see if there is not looks of disapproval.

[My Thai Life]

3 hours ago, simple1 said:

Whilst I support the banning of Islamic full face coverings in the same manner as full face helmets,

If that's what you think this is about you have completely missed the point, unless you belong to a motorbike helmet wearing sect committed to the subjugation of women.

 

Wahabbism is the most profoundly regressive illiberal misogynistic islamofascist nonsense in the world today. The Wahabbis gave you 9-11 and ISIS.

 

That "liberals" support Wahabbi culture and doctrine on the pretext of freedom of dress, when the Wahabbi women are not allowed not to wear Wahabbi dress, can no longer be explained by their "liberal" ignorance. 

 

These "liberals" are fascist sympathisers, plain and simple.

 

As a lifelong liberal myself, I urge you to do a bit more researching and thinking about this.

 

 

 

[Scott]

Off-topic post and post violating Fair Use Policy have been removed.

 

Because this thread is about Boris Johnson's Islamophobia it does not mean members can post Islamophobic remarks.    

 

You have been warned. 

[Bluespunk]

49 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

Try to walk into some moske in Saudi wearing a vest, shorts and flip-flops and see if there is not looks of disapproval.

Which places of worship would welcome such attire?

Edited August 13, 2018 by Bluespunk

[Opl]

15 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

More Islamophobia framed as always in sweeping generalisations.

 

 

The burqa is a cause of racism, not a symptom.

Edited August 13, 2018 by Opl

[dick dasterdly]

On 8/12/2018 at 9:40 AM, dick dasterdly said:

Exactly.  Virtually nobody walks around in public wearing a full face crash helmet as it would look extremely odd - quite apart from being uncomfortable!

 

The point made about those wearing anti-pollution masks is a far more interesting IMO, as it does cover most of their face.  But at least there is an (arguably) good, practical reason for wearing them.

 

12 hours ago, 7by7 said:

You can't spend much time in the UK!

 

Motorbike couriers, pizza deliverers etc. only take their helmets off if requested to do so as they enter the building they are delivering to. If not asked to remove their helmet, they don't.

 

If you watch the videos of niqab wearers I posted earlier then the ladies in them say that they have a good reason for wearing them.

 

Not saying that I agree, and indeed in one of the videos an imam disagrees; but it is their choice.

 

I'm at a loss as to how you can seriously equate my comment:-

"Virtually nobody walks around in public wearing a full face crash helmet as it would look extremely odd - quite apart from being uncomfortable!"

with:-

"Motorbike couriers, pizza deliverers etc.only take their helmets off if requested to do so as they enter the building they are delivering to. If not asked to remove their helmet, they don't."

 

Had you not noticed that the 'bike couriers a) only wear their helmet whilst working and b) you admit that they remove their helmet if asked?  They don't wear them for any other purpose than safety/law (whilst riding their 'bike) and speed (when making deliveries).

 

Presumably you agree that they don't walk around in their full face crash helmets when not working?

 

Re. the second part of your post, I agreed that the video of the three niqab wearers was quite interesting as it explained why three burka wearers decided to start wearing the burka.

 

On 8/11/2018 at 2:55 PM, dick dasterdly said:

The first video was quite interesting as it explained why these women decided to start wearing the burka.

 

My impression was that they wanted to make it even clearer that they were Moslem, and saw it as an act of showing that they were devout Moslems .... <snip>

 

Additionally, for some completely obscure reason - they believed it made others look at them as 'who they are, rather than what they look like/wear'? ?

 

<snip>

 

 

Personally, I (like you?) don't consider these 'good' reasons - in fact I find the second reason laughably stupid....

 

So we come back to my main objections against the burka.

a) they are a physical representation of male misogyny

b) it creates a chasm between the wearer and the rest of the 'ordinary'population

c) as long as it's allowed, it gives the extremist males an 'excuse' to ensure that their women folk are forced to wear this abhorant piece of cloth over their faces.

[roobaa01]

jonathan arkush president of board of jewish deputies ...said cobyn labour party holds anti-semitic views that could drive british jews out of the country....timesofisrael.com if the leader of labour is corrupted by antisemitism what about the rest within labours left wing circles ??? 

 

the muslim mayor khan advised brits publicly to learn arabic thus to understand muslim values better and to accept their values..wearing veils etc but he never spoke out in the public about the jewish right of self-determination.

 

wbr

roobaa01 

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adding info

[Grouse]

6 hours ago, simple1 said:

The Spectator has a history of publishing right wing anti Muslim rhetoric. The Middle East Forum and associated sources such as Daniel Pipes are well known right wing anti Muslim propagandists. Initially when reading the ME Forum article, was thinking fair enough, then the real agenda emerged; vilification.

 

Whilst I support the banning of Islamic full face coverings in the same manner as full face helmets, IMO content supporting total bans is faux outrage,  pragmatically will not stop abuse against women. Mostly just an excuse for further attacks, from the usual sources, against the Muslim community.

This is about burkas. Only.

 

They are indefensible in the U.K. as they offend many.

 

Ban them in public. Now.

[Chomper Higgot]

10 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

 

 

I'm at a loss as to how you can seriously equate my comment:-

"Virtually nobody walks around in public wearing a full face crash helmet as it would look extremely odd - quite apart from being uncomfortable!"

with:-

"Motorbike couriers, pizza deliverers etc.only take their helmets off if requested to do so as they enter the building they are delivering to. If not asked to remove their helmet, they don't."

 

Had you not noticed that the 'bike couriers a) only wear their helmet whilst working and b) you admit that they remove their helmet if asked?  They don't wear them for any other purpose than safety/law (whilst riding their 'bike) and speed (when making deliveries).

 

Presumably you agree that they don't walk around in their full face crash helmets when not working?

 

Re. the second part of your post, I agreed that the video of the three niqab wearers was quite interesting as it explained why three burka wearers decided to start wearing the burka.

 

Personally, I (like you?) don't consider these 'good' reasons - in fact I find the second reason laughably stupid....

 

So we come back to my main objections against the burka.

a) they are a physical representation of male misogyny

b) it creates a chasm between the wearer and the rest of the 'ordinary'population

c) as long as it's allowed, it gives the extremist males an 'excuse' to ensure that their women folk are forced to wear this abhorant piece of cloth over their faces.

Have yourself posted videos of Muslim women explaining why they choose to dress this way you continue to ignore their views while wishing to enforce your own.

 

 

[My Thai Life]

16 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

More Islamophobia framed as always in sweeping generalisations.

Chomper there was nothing islamophobic abut what I said at all. You need to review your own bias.

 

I wonder, are you actually British? Do you have any knowledge of British communities adversely affected by muslim immigration? Which muslim countries have you lived in? Do you know anything about Wahabbism and its spread? Or the rights (or lack of them) of women under islam? Shariah law? The spread of Wahabbism? The extent of the financing behind Wahabbism's rapid spread?

 

Or are your views based on schoolboy good intentions about being a nice liberal?

 

You seem to spend your life making ad hominem attacks on this forum rather than having anything relevant to say, and not only on this thread.

[Grouse]

22 minutes ago, Opl said:

The burqa is a cause of racism, not a symptom.

Indeed. It appears on my list of 47 Muslim customs and mores which have caused me to become anti Muslim.

[Grouse]

18 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

 

 

I'm at a loss as to how you can seriously equate my comment:-

"Virtually nobody walks around in public wearing a full face crash helmet as it would look extremely odd - quite apart from being uncomfortable!"

with:-

"Motorbike couriers, pizza deliverers etc.only take their helmets off if requested to do so as they enter the building they are delivering to. If not asked to remove their helmet, they don't."

 

Had you not noticed that the 'bike couriers a) only wear their helmet whilst working and b) you admit that they remove their helmet if asked?  They don't wear them for any other purpose than safety/law (whilst riding their 'bike) and speed (when making deliveries).

 

Presumably you agree that they don't walk around in their full face crash helmets when not working?

 

Re. the second part of your post, I agreed that the video of the three niqab wearers was quite interesting as it explained why three burka wearers decided to start wearing the burka.

 

Personally, I (like you?) don't consider these 'good' reasons - in fact I find the second reason laughably stupid....

 

So we come back to my main objections against the burka.

a) they are a physical representation of male misogyny

b) it creates a chasm between the wearer and the rest of the 'ordinary'population

c) as long as it's allowed, it gives the extremist males an 'excuse' to ensure that their women folk are forced to wear this abhorant piece of cloth over their faces.

They are ugly; an eye sore. 

 

Do as as you like at home but I object to having my view of the world spoilt. How can anyone say good morning to a Burka?

[dick dasterdly]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Have yourself posted videos of Muslim women explaining why they choose to dress this way you continue to ignore their views while wishing to enforce your own.

 

 

Please!  There are very few videos of women wearing burkas explaining why they do so, and I've already said that I appreciated the video posted.

 

I don't think I'm ignoring their views, just pointing out why IMO their views are shallow and, in the case of 'they believed it made others look at them as 'who they are, rather than what they look like/wear' - downright delusional!

[oldgit]

Boris is just participating in an age old British tradition of observational comedy. We take the p**s out of each other, with the way we look and act, so anybody taking up residence in the UK, better get used to it as well.

[DILLIGAD]

Boris is just participating in an age old British tradition of observational comedy. We take the p**s out of each other, with the way we look and act, so anybody taking up residence in the UK, better get used to it as well.

Is this a 5 minute argument?

(I agree).


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[happy chappie]

It's the same as saying a vicar wearing what we call a dog collar.its not anti Christian or saying he's a dog...the pc  world at it again <deleted>.

[My Thai Life]

29 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You’ve posed a lot of questions there.

 

Non relevant to the topic under discussion and all implying you hold some special knowledge. Why, since I’ve already stated I’ve spent 5 years in the Middle East and a great deal of that time in Jeddah you believe I should not hold valid views is beyond me.

 

My nationality is none of your business- but I think I’ve explained that to you before.

Yes I have posted a few questions and you've answered none, except to reiterate your time in the middle east.

 

It's completely relevant to the topic under discussion, because making a successful contribution to a topic does require some sort of knowledge, which you never actually display.

 

My guess is that you were based in Dubai, which is the Disneyworld of the middle east, and would not have given you any useful knowledge of the topic at hand.

 

Although you seem to spend a lot of time on UK topics, you never seem to have any knowledge of how the UK works, so I'm guessing you're not British.  Or, if you are British, you have no knowledge of how muslim immigration has adversely affected parts of the UK.

 

Muslim immigration to north America is very substantially different to muslim immigration in the UK, and the rest of Europe.

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

28 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

Yes I have posted a few questions and you've answered none, except to reiterate your time in the middle east.

 

It's completely relevant to the topic under discussion, because making a successful contribution to a topic does require some sort of knowledge, which you never actually display.

 

My guess is that you were based in Dubai, which is the Disneyworld of the middle east, and would not have given you any useful knowledge of the topic at hand.

 

Although you seem to spend a lot of time on UK topics, you never seem to have any knowledge of how the UK works, so I'm guessing you're not British.  Or, if you are British, you have no knowledge of how muslim immigration has adversely affected parts of the UK.

 

Muslim immigration to north America is very substantially different to muslim immigration in the UK, and the rest of Europe.

 

 

 

What was it you were saying about ad hominem?

 

Excuse me if I don’t answer your questions seeking personal details, this is not a dating site.

[My Thai Life]

 

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

What was it you were saying about ad hominem?

 

Excuse me if I don’t answer your questions seeking personal details, this is not a dating site.

Read again after you've checked the meaning of "ad hominem".

 

Wow, you're so coy about explaining why anyone should pay any attention to your one liner "views". And that's why we don't. 

Edited August 13, 2018 by My Thai Life

[blazes]

10 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

 

Read again after you've checked the meaning of "ad hominem".

 

Wow, you're so coy about explaining why anyone should pay any attention to your one liner "views". And that's why we don't. 

 

It's ok....Chomper is always hitting the "Confused" button, so I think we have to assume that he really doesn't understand what's going on....

[Chomper Higgot]

On 8/8/2018 at 11:46 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

The responses in this thread reveal the truth of what Boris Johnson has done.

 

He’s validated Islamophobia and general anti Muslim bigotry.

 

He’s done so for his own short term political reasons.

 

Than man is an utter disgrace.

That was my opinion on page 3 of the comments under this thread, we've reached page 35 and then evidence suggests I was right.