Just now, Opl said:

it's not a "veiled" it's "full-face covering"… give us a break if you can't grasp the difference

there's no difference! a veil is also a full face covering. and that offends you?

12 minutes ago, Naam said:

there's no difference! a veil is also a full face covering. and that offends you?

Hmm, do you remember Audrey Hepburn's veils? Slightly different old chap.

 

Also, for many people it's not the shariah "veil" itself,  it's the primitive misogynistic doctrine behind it.

 

Have you ever lived in the UK Naam? In one of the areas adversely affected by muslim immigration?

5 hours ago, DILLIGAD said:

Is this a 5 minute argument?

(I agree).


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Argument? I'm sorry this is abuse on here, you want the Insurance in Thailand Forum, room 12A.

1 hour ago, bristolboy said:

They are "indefensible because they offend many? " And why do these "many" have a superseding right to have their feelings protected from hurt? What actual damages to their persons, property, or reputation of these poor offended souls are incurred?

It is our country with customs and mores built over centuries. Everyone is welcome but expect our norms. I think OUR  feelings on this are supreme. What do you mean by superseding? Timing? These things are unequivocally ugly. Ban them. 

1 hour ago, Naam said:

a veiled woman causes offence? gimme a break man!     

A burkha'd women offends me. Man!

1 hour ago, Naam said:

no looks of disapproval, just kicked out.

Quite right too. Respect others!

1 hour ago, Naam said:

there's no difference! a veil is also a full face covering. and that offends you?

Do veils split hairs?

47 minutes ago, Grouse said:

It is our country with customs and mores built over centuries. Everyone is welcome but expect our norms. I think OUR  feelings on this are supreme. What do you mean by superseding? Timing? These things are unequivocally ugly. Ban them. 

Asserting that "OUR feelings on this are surpreme" doesn't legally make it so. And who exactly are you referring to when you write "OUR"? Are some British citizens feelings more important than others'? As for British customs and mores that have endured over centuries...So for centuries Britain banned niqabs and such?  This is actually a modern reaction in respect to current events. Nothing to do with British mores and customs. Banning face coverings has as much to do with English mores and customs as would banning the caste marks worn by various Hindu citizens of the UK.

2 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Banning face coverings has as much to do with English mores and customs as would banning the caste marks worn by various Hindu citizens of the UK.

Yes and no. The caste system is barbaric. But Wahabbism is  a special brand of misogyny. Are you really so unaware of Wahabbism?

 

20 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

Yes and no. The caste system is barbaric. But Wahabbism is  a special brand of misogyny. Are you really so unaware of Wahabbism?

 

I have a good old wahaba in the morning after a vindaloo.

all verbal dross go to marocco burqua banned sales and manufacturing prohibited its a muslim country. thus all said here is 90 % nonsense.

 

wbr

roobaa01

I don't like Boris

I don't like seeing women draped in black cloth to the point they're literally dehumanized, and look utterly bizarre.

Scuttling and bobbing along like something you want to spray with baygon. 

On ‎8‎/‎10‎/‎2018 at 2:38 PM, cmsally said:

Seeing as the most extreme wear the full face veils , then it wouldn't effect the moderates to have it banned.

Actually, marriages are arranged in many cases, the two not even knowing each other, and the husband may be forcing his wife to wear the full face regalia.

An Egyptian nurse used to work on my ward, and one time she went home for holiday was presented with her husband to be- big surprise. She never used to cover her hair, but he forced her to, and because there were male staff on the ward he made her go work with only females.

10 hours ago, My Thai Life said:

Yes and no. The caste system is barbaric. But Wahabbism is  a special brand of misogyny. Are you really so unaware of Wahabbism?

 

Who could be unaware of it, you’ve been banging on about Wahabbism since the start of this thread.

 

This despite it has nothing to do with the subjected under discussion ( Boris Johnson’s comments) and despite it being explained to you that even in Jeddah ( Makkah Province, Saudi Arabia) full face covering is by no streatch of imagination universal, and women not covering their face or hair is common place.

 

Your heads in an Islamophobic loop - not at all healthy.

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Actually, marriages are arranged in many cases, the two not even knowing each other, and the husband may be forcing his wife to wear the full face regalia.

An Egyptian nurse used to work on my ward, and one time she went home for holiday was presented with her husband to be- big surprise. She never used to cover her hair, but he forced her to, and because there were male staff on the ward he made her go work with only females.

So she turned into a letter box after marriage, it was'nt a wedding, it was funerals

It must be like lifetime jail sentence to live with such a husband. 

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Who could be unaware of it, you’ve been banging on about Wahabbism since the start of this thread.

 

This despite it has nothing to do with the subjected under discussion

It has everything to do with the discussion. What I don't understand is why an American with no knowledge of the adverse affects of muslim immigration into the UK is spending so much time on this topic.

 

Muslim immigration into the USA is very different from muslim immigration into UK and Europe, don't you know that?

the imam in the mosque condems the women not wearing the veil as sinner and punishment will be that they suffer in their live after death. thus leaves the muslima no choice as to comply hence no freedom is ever given. thats reality for muslimas.

 

wbr

roobaa01

42 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

It has everything to do with the discussion. What I don't understand is why an American with no knowledge of the adverse affects of muslim immigration into the UK is spending so much time on this topic.

 

Muslim immigration into the USA is very different from muslim immigration into UK and Europe, don't you know that?

Your guessing again.

 

As I’ve told you many times my nationality is non of your business.

On 8/10/2018 at 3:56 PM, My Thai Life said:

This is well-meaning but naive in the extreme

 

> Try to "know" a Wahabbi woman. Please walk up to one and start talking to her. It's against the law for Wahabbi women to talk to men they are not related to, or to spend time in their company. I was once approached by a Wahabbi woman in the street in Riyadh (capital of Saudi Arabia). Within seconds we were surrounded by Saudi men. The men were in no way intimidating towards me, but their disposition towards the woman wasn't very sweet. Check the statistics for how many Wahabbi women in the UK can speak English.

 

> Comparisons between muslim women in Thailand and Wahabbi women are not going to shed much light on this issue. 

 

 

 

 

I was under the impression the 'majority' of Muslims in the world disagreed with their interpretations. Are we talking minority 'sects' as representing the majority? 

I did not find the stats, but I did find Muslim women in the UK  'speaking' out against the ideology. I also found that the previous UK Prime Minister tried to fund Muslim women to learn English, however, one of the problems based around lack of English speaking was caused by the government originally cutting funding to the tune of 45 million in ESOL courses.

Regardless of all that, what is banning dress going to do? Just create a us vs them mentality which will increase the likelihood of people turning extreme. Isn't that the idea of accidental terrorism? That regular Muslims who speak out against these extremist ideologies are forced to join them when non-Muslim groups bomb them or take away their legitimate rights for no real particular reason other than irrational fear or simply looking different. If rights do not infringe on others in a harmful way then let them be. I have never felt hurt by walking past/'speaking' to someone in Islamic dress.  

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

As I’ve told you many times my nationality is non of your business.

Believe me, I have absolutely no interest in your nationality at all.

 

But clearly you are not British, so your avid interest in British threads indicates that you have an agenda.

 

It also indicates that you are talking about things you have no experience or knowledge of.

13 minutes ago, wildewillie89 said:

I was under the impression the 'majority' of Muslims in the world disagreed with their interpretations. Are we talking minority 'sects' as representing the majority? 

I did not find the stats, but I did find Muslim women in the UK  'speaking' out against the ideology. I also found that the previous UK Prime Minister tried to fund Muslim women to learn English, however, one of the problems based around lack of English speaking was caused by the government originally cutting funding to the tune of 45 million in ESOL courses.

Regardless of all that, what is banning dress going to do? Just create a us vs them mentality which will increase the likelihood of people turning extreme. Isn't that the idea of accidental terrorism? That regular Muslims who speak out against these extremist ideologies are forced to join them when non-Muslim groups bomb them or take away their legitimate rights for no real particular reason other than irrational fear or simply looking different. If rights do not infringe on others in a harmful way then let them be. I have never felt hurt by walking past/'speaking' to someone in Islamic dress.  

I don't understand how you can walk past someone in Islamic dress when no such dress exists. it's all cultural, as in what they wore wherever they came from. A Malaysian Muslim wears different dress from an Afghani woman because they live in different countries etc etc etc.

I don't recall anyone wanting to ban cultural dress, but covered faces are a terrorist threat in todays world. We don't allow covered faces in banks etc, so why are cultural face coverings allowed where the public gather? It's not OUR culture, and if foreigners want to cover their faces they shouldn't move here. We aren't allowed to do things in Saudi that are not in keeping with their culture, so we can repay the compliment and not allow them to do things not in keeping with our culture.

8 minutes ago, wildewillie89 said:

Are we talking minority 'sects' as representing the majority? 

 I also found that the previous UK Prime Minister tried to fund Muslim women to learn English, however, one of the problems based around lack of English speaking was caused by the government originally cutting funding to the tune of 45 million in ESOL courses.

Re point A. The dress code we are talking about on this thread is Wahabbi.

 

Re point B. The real problem is giving British citizenship to people who cant speak English in the first place - a farce. The fact that these people then wander round the streets dressed in Wahabbi gear and refusing to attempt to integrate is whats driving the animosity towards them, not the fact that they are muslims per se.

 

If these people want to pursue a primitive tribal desert lifestyle they should go back to their desert. And Im delighted to read in yesterdays Guardian that some of them have decided to do just that because of Boris Johnsons comments.

16 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Your guessing again.

 

As I’ve told you many times my nationality is non of your business.

I must admit the user name suggested to me that he was certainly a long lost relation of Sir Jeffrey Hillpig-Smyth

 

Sir Jeffrey's history

 

Sorry that was rather off topic but it was a connection my brain came up with.

Back to the subject, I am surprised that no one has brought up the subject of Pan-nationalism with regard to Islam. It is a very relevant aspect.

 

21 minutes ago, wildewillie89 said:

I did find Muslim women in the UK  'speaking' out against the ideology.

How many of those women are not under threat of death from the fundamentalists?

12 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

Believe me, I have absolutely no interest in your nationality at all.

 

But clearly you are not British, so your avid interest in British threads indicates that you have an agenda.

 

It also indicates that you are talking about things you have no experience or knowledge of.

There you go with more unfounded assumptions.

 

You are once again, off topic and making assumptions about my nationality.

 

My nationality is a piece of personal information I do not share in this forum  and once again I find I have to ask you not to attempt to reveal this personal information.

 

I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve had to make this point to you.

Your continuing posts on this matter are well out of order.

 

 

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

How many of those women are not under threat of death from the fundamentalists?

ANd how many have actually been killed? And how many secular or moderate Muslim women are there in the UK? Do you have any data for that? Or are you just spewing baseless allegations?

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There you go with more unfounded assumptions.

 

You are once again, off topic and making assumptions about my nationality.

 

My nationality is a piece of personal information I do not share in this forum  and once again I find I have to ask you not to attempt to reveal this personal information.

 

I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve had to make this point to you.

Your continuing posts on this matter are well out of order.

 

 

It's a sure sign that when someone like My Thai Life has a weak case, he's going to try to make it personal. That's what trolls do.

4 minutes ago, cmsally said:

I must admit the user name suggested to me that he was certainly a long lost relation of Sir Jeffrey Hillpig-Smyth

 

Sir Jeffrey's history

 

Sorry that was rather off topic but it was a connection my brain came up with.

Back to the subject, I am surprised that no one has brought up the subject of Pan-nationalism with regard to Islam. It is a very relevant aspect.

 

Indeed. Many people seem to be talking about Muslims as if they are all the same, when they are no more similar that Christians from different parts of the world. A Saudi Muslim is very different from one in Indonesia, or Newcastle. Like Christians they also have a book which is supposed to be their guide in life, and the religion is split between sects.

6 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

ANd how many have actually been killed? And how many secular or moderate Muslim women are there in the UK? Do you have any data for that? Or are you just spewing baseless allegations?

I don't know, which is why I asked the question. Perhaps you can pay attention to what I say, rather than posting pointless personal attacks on me.

5 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

It's a sure sign that when someone like My Thai Life has a weak case, he's going to try to make it personal. That's what trolls do.

Considering you just posted a personal attack on me...............................................................