UK voters should make final Brexit decision if talks with EU collapse: poll

[bomber]

10 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

 

Not because of freedom of movement, because it is important for their supply chains, as they employ people locally in the UK. The single market and customs union gives them tariff free access to Europe and allows them to engage in just in time production. They don't need freedom of movement, and I suspect don't much care whether we have it or not. Japanese companies do not need continental labour. Your point is nonsensical.

poor vinny doesnt understand how industry operates and how difficult things could be with a no deal,but he is right the poles will all leave with a no deal as there wont actually be much work for them and what little there would be would be hardly worth it after another 10-15% reduction in the pound

[vinny41]

2 hours ago, AlexRich said:

 

Not because of freedom of movement, because it is important for their supply chains, as they employ people locally in the UK. The single market and customs union gives them tariff free access to Europe and allows them to engage in just in time production. They don't need freedom of movement, and I suspect don't much care whether we have it or not. Japanese companies do not need continental labour. Your point is nonsensical.

 

2 hours ago, bomber said:

poor vinny doesnt understand how industry operates and how difficult things could be with a no deal,but he is right the poles will all leave with a no deal as there wont actually be much work for them and what little there would be would be hardly worth it after another 10-15% reduction in the pound

I think its both of you that doesn't understand how industry work if we take the automotive industry as a example

Skills

49.Freedom of movement within the EU has been beneficial to the UK automotive sector, which values highly the ability to transfer high skilled people from one plant to another at short notice with no bureaucratic barriers. The ability to move employees from one plant to another through intra-company transfers is core to the business model of many multinationals operating in the UK.146 At present, between 7 and 10 per cent of the total workforce in the automotive sector are estimated to be from EU countries,147 but the proportion in some companies in the supply chain may be as high as 30 per cent.148 In general, car manufacturing requires higher level skills from EU countries than the automotive retail sector.149 The shortage of UK engineers is well established. The Automotive Council has reported that the 5,000 current vacancies were having a “significant impact” on business operations.150 Witnesses told us that it was important to maintain access to “top-class engineers, aerodynamicists, vehicle dynamics engineers”151 from other European countries. For the automotive sector, jobs that feature on the Home Office shortage occupation list include product design and development engineers.152 The SMMT report that this skills gap is projected to increase because of the ageing workforce and insufficient numbers coming through the system.153

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cmselect/cmbeis/379/37910.htm

2) JIT

Most companies that deploy JIT have a backup solution as JIT can fail with adverse weather conditions( Both ferries and Road closures) Port blockages ( well known and frequent especially French Ports, security alerts, labour stoppages in supply chains, shortage of parts 

Edited December 1, 2018 by vinny41

[AlexRich]

9 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

 

I think its both of you that doesn't understand how industry work if we take the automotive industry as a example

Skills

49.Freedom of movement within the EU has been beneficial to the UK automotive sector, which values highly the ability to transfer high skilled people from one plant to another at short notice with no bureaucratic barriers. The ability to move employees from one plant to another through intra-company transfers is core to the business model of many multinationals operating in the UK.146 At present, between 7 and 10 per cent of the total workforce in the automotive sector are estimated to be from EU countries,147 but the proportion in some companies in the supply chain may be as high as 30 per cent.148 In general, car manufacturing requires higher level skills from EU countries than the automotive retail sector.149 The shortage of UK engineers is well established. The Automotive Council has reported that the 5,000 current vacancies were having a “significant impact” on business operations.150 Witnesses told us that it was important to maintain access to “top-class engineers, aerodynamicists, vehicle dynamics engineers”151 from other European countries. For the automotive sector, jobs that feature on the Home Office shortage occupation list include product design and development engineers.152 The SMMT report that this skills gap is projected to increase because of the ageing workforce and insufficient numbers coming through the system.153

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cmselect/cmbeis/379/37910.htm

2) JIT

Most companies that deploy JIT have a backup solution as JIT can fail with adverse weather conditions( Both ferries and Road closures) Port blockages ( well known and frequent especially French Ports, security alerts, labour stoppages in supply chains, shortage of parts 

 

Abe doesn't care, he'd be happy with May's deal, and happier with no Brexit. May's new immigration policy relates to skilled people ... so it won't be a problem for anyone needing top-class professionals from overseas. It's just the non-skilled labour from Europe that might have a problem. I say might, because they may well get seasonal visas for farm work. If you can find a Japanese vegetable farmer or strawberry grower in the UK I'll be impressed?

[vogie]

5 hours ago, tebee said:

OK gloves off - you somehow believe that a letter stated as advisory can magicly alter an advisory referendum and make it a legally binding one ?

 

Then I am afraid Grasshopper, you have much to learn about way and wiles of politicians who can appear to offer you a binding commitment, while using smoke and mirrors to give you nothing at all.    

It is your link, to coin a remainer phrase, 'you own it' it is no good putting a link up and only using parts of it that fits your agenda, migration is down so we might be looking for good cherry pickers.

 

 

[vinny41]

1 hour ago, AlexRich said:

 

Abe doesn't care, he'd be happy with May's deal, and happier with no Brexit. May's new immigration policy relates to skilled people ... so it won't be a problem for anyone needing top-class professionals from overseas. It's just the non-skilled labour from Europe that might have a problem. I say might, because they may well get seasonal visas for farm work. If you can find a Japanese vegetable farmer or strawberry grower in the UK I'll be impressed?

And a solution to JIT in the event of No deal is Underground warehouses such as the one at Heathrow with  2 million sq ft of 9m high warehouse floorspace.

https://www.logisticsmanager.com/massive-underground-warehouse-planned-near-heathrow/

All these Automotive companies  have huge carparks 

[kwilco]

You won! Get over it! Prepare for the backlash...

 

[kwilco]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

It is your link, to coin a remainer phrase, 'you own it' it is no good putting a link up and only using parts of it that fits your agenda, migration is down so we might be looking for good cherry pickers.

 

 

Migration from EU is down....... Brexodus .... immigration from outside EU is at highest since 2004

[kwilco]

31 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

And a solution to JIT in the event of No deal is Underground warehouses such as the one at Heathrow with  2 million sq ft of 9m high warehouse floorspace.

https://www.logisticsmanager.com/massive-underground-warehouse-planned-near-heathrow/

All these Automotive companies  have huge carparks 

Apparently companies like Amazon have already snapped up most warehousing space in the South basically they now have a monopoly.

[vinny41]

1 minute ago, kwilco said:

Apparently companies like Amazon have already snapped up most warehousing space in the South basically they now have a monopoly.

That is warehousing above ground not underground

[tebee]

1 hour ago, AlexRich said:

 

Abe doesn't care, he'd be happy with May's deal, and happier with no Brexit.

 

He'll be happy with May's deal because a decent transition period will at least give them time to move their manufacturing base to the continent without disrupting production.

[Srikcir]

11 hours ago, nauseus said:

Well, how about if Uncle Sam hadn't followed us into WW2?

The US didn't follow any nation into WW2.

Declarations of War had been issued by both Germany and Japan against the US. Until those moments the US took only a material logistics role with those nations such as Great Britain and China (albeit some US citizens did individually volunteer to join Allied Powers militaries against the Axis Powers).

[Srikcir]

11 hours ago, nauseus said:

Well, how about if Uncle Sam hadn't followed us into WW2?

 

Edited December 2, 2018 by Srikcir
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[kwilco]

No ifs or buts, Brexiteers want to return us to this.....

 

https://www.google.co.th/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DE0FIFsgxJV4&ved=2ahUKEwi6ieW2hoDfAhXMs48KHWfcAOMQyCkwAHoECA4QBA&usg=AOvVaw3S1vr0q1hryPCOblPvt5oM

 

 

[SheungWan]

31 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

The US didn't follow any nation into WW2.

Declarations of War had been issued by both Germany and Japan against the US. Until those moments the US took only a material logistics role with those nations such as Great Britain and China (albeit some US citizens did individually volunteer to join Allied Powers militaries against the Axis Powers).

Germany declared war on the USA 4 days after Pearl Harbour.

[mogandave]

 
Resorting to insults? Isn't it just better to admit that you're wrong? And what's it got to do with Brexit anyway? 

That the truth feels like an insult is not my concern.

In any even it’s not nearly as big an insult as draft-dodging protestors spiting on retuning GIs.

[sandyf]

12 hours ago, bomber said:

i dont see any harm in a european army,we have troops already in latvia and other nations which are all bar a few members of NATO,shame it didnt happen earlier and the nation would of saved billions and have 1000s of troops still alive instead of following uncle sam into illegal expensive unwinnable wars

Quite. people that have their knickers in a twist over this so call "European Army" should be paying a bit more attention to what is happening on their own doorstep.

Infighting between the services may very well lead to a single defence force, every chance the Navy would come out on top and very few would want to be in the Navy. The armed services could very well end up with a far greater number of vacancies than the NHS, conscription anyone?

On the plus side the savings could offset the increased tax liability coming from brexit.

https://news.sky.com/story/royal-navy-fury-as-raf-pushes-for-new-jets-that-cannot-fly-from-warships-11568074?fbclid=IwAR31wKLpaqkm2RG3LryBHOqsb0p6YzV7XZI_5zn88v_yW52SAD85QmxM_wo

[sandyf]

17 hours ago, nauseus said:

I don't think that will be removed. Unless you are a naughty boy, of course.

Freedom of movement to be retained - best news on the thread.

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

Freedom of movement to be retained - best news on the thread.

Really? Where has that come from?

[kwilco]

Brexiteers have systematically lead various groups up the garden path, but few further than the UK fishermen....

 

 

https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2018/10/11/fishing-quota-uk-defra-michael-gove/?fbclid=IwAR0zV5q6G_pcLDDSG0_IQafHTbm_dODjhBw1P_dbsVlYzHUCdXE9y_KFiSc

 

 

[kwilco]

20 hours ago, nauseus said:

I don't think that will be removed. Unless you are a naughty boy, of course.

This is about the most ill-informed response in 700+ pages - OF COURSE IT WILL!!!!!

[nauseus]

5 hours ago, Srikcir said:

The US didn't follow any nation into WW2.

Declarations of War had been issued by both Germany and Japan against the US. Until those moments the US took only a material logistics role with those nations such as Great Britain and China (albeit some US citizens did individually volunteer to join Allied Powers militaries against the Axis Powers).

And following those moments they joined the Allies who were already fighting.  

[nauseus]

11 minutes ago, kwilco said:

Brexiteers have systematically lead various groups up the garden path, but few further than the UK fishermen....

 

 

https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2018/10/11/fishing-quota-uk-defra-michael-gove/?fbclid=IwAR0zV5q6G_pcLDDSG0_IQafHTbm_dODjhBw1P_dbsVlYzHUCdXE9y_KFiSc

 

 

No. This may be the case now but out of CFP control these "quotas" will be voided. That would give the UK government a chance to reissue permits and stop these monopolies. 

[grumpy 4680]

On 11/24/2018 at 3:47 PM, Grouse said:

It is naive, ill informed comments like this which demonstrate why typical Brexiters should just be ignored

          Grouse, I believe your the one totally ill informed, my comments above are truth regarding the EU and crooked politicians, now they want to deny the UK from the Galileo project, and keep the 1:2 billion invested by the UK, I REST MY CASE> EU guilty as charged.

[nauseus]

On 11/24/2018 at 1:27 PM, grumpy 4680 said:

     Its not a question of having a deal, UK voters waited a long time for a brexit vote, and when they got it they voted OUT, so out means out.

     Its the dam'b politicians (who think the EU is just for them) they took us from a common market to what it is today, hence the reason to get out, 

     All of May's stalling to get a deal, is not going to be any use to us if still tied to EU strings. We were doing OK. before going in, so no reason for not being OK again when out, 

     Its only the corrupt EU. politicians (who only want our money) that are using scare tactics and trying to make life a difficult as possible for us because they won't accept that the EU is doomed to failure, in its current state anyway.

Well informed comments like this demonstrate why Brexiters should be adored. ????

[grumpy 4680]

       After 738 pages of some useless non topic drivel, I think its fair to say that the leavers are the winners, and the remainers are just plain selfish.

      A second vote would be totally out of order, after all the lies and scaremongering by those who only have one motif to stay "PERSONAL PROFIT"

Edited December 2, 2018 by grumpy 4680

[Kieran00001]

37 minutes ago, grumpy 4680 said:

          Grouse, I believe your the one totally ill informed, my comments above are truth regarding the EU and crooked politicians, now they want to deny the UK from the Galileo project, and keep the 1:2 billion invested by the UK, I REST MY CASE> EU guilty as charged.

 

The EU offered to allow access to the Galileo project, access to all services except making contribution to the development of "security-sensitive matters", the UK turned down that offer as they want to be able to develop it for military use, and so instead of taking the EU offer to be a 3rd party member of Galileo they now intend to make their own.  Not sure how you feel that makes the EU guilty under your charge of being crooked, do explain.

[aright]

[Kieran00001]

23 minutes ago, grumpy 4680 said:

       After 738 pages of some useless non topic drivel, I think its fair to say that the leavers are the winners, and the remainers are just plain selfish.

      A second vote would be totally out of order, after all the lies and scaremongering by those who only have one motif to stay "PERSONAL PROFIT"

 

The whole thing has been about personal profit.

 

"I think I may be the winner" Crispin Odey said upon learning that Leave had won, his 900,000 pound investment in Farage had paid off, and he was 220 million pounds the richer.

 

My money is on the Brexit crooks not being done just yet.

 

Edited December 2, 2018 by Kieran00001

[transam]

8 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

The EU offered to allow access to the Galileo project, access to all services except making contribution to the development of "security-sensitive matters", the UK turned down that offer as they want to be able to develop it for military use, and so instead of taking the EU offer to be a 3rd party member of Galileo they now intend to make their own.  Not sure how you feel that makes the EU guilty under your charge of being crooked, do explain.

"Except"......Nice word that, except....

[transam]

8 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

The EU offered to allow access to the Galileo project, access to all services except making contribution to the development of "security-sensitive matters", the UK turned down that offer as they want to be able to develop it for military use, and so instead of taking the EU offer to be a 3rd party member of Galileo they now intend to make their own.  Not sure how you feel that makes the EU guilty under your charge of being crooked, do explain.

"Except"......Nice word that, except....