Australian Senator Fraser Anning under fire from all sides after ‘final solution’ Senate speech

[Chomper Higgot]

Using the term ‘final solution’ in reference to an ethnic minority is overtly offensive, and quite clearly deliberately so.

 

Perhaps he should be taken on a tour of the Auschwitz-Birkenau Memorial and Museum to help him understand the historical context of his disgraceful use of such loaded language.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 hours ago, BuaBS said:

Whatever meaning of "final solution" Fraser Anning meant , he has the courage to say what many of us think but can't say.

Let me get this straight, you are not sure what he meant to say but it’s what you’ve been thinking.

 

Pointed hat, corner!

[Cadbury]

9 hours ago, pegman said:

Take it easy. Was a joke at a moron's expence.

Not sure what you mean but I think you mean that your lame joke was at your expense. 

You should have read this article before opening your mouth. If you are not Australian you wouldn't have a clue what it means and even if you are I doubt you would the ability to understand it anyway. Try this and good luck.

http://pickeringpost.com/story/how-far-right-is-fraser-anning-/8463

 

[BuaBS]

39 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Let me get this straight, you are not sure what he meant to say but it’s what you’ve been thinking.

 

Pointed hat, corner!

I know the 2 meanings . Going for the meaning a lot of us are thinking will get me deleted or suspended , so I left it vague.

[Chomper Higgot]

10 minutes ago, BuaBS said:

I know the 2 meanings . Going for the meaning a lot of us are thinking will get me deleted or suspended , so I left it vague.

Grow a set and say what you mean.

 

Or are you another ‘Freedom of Speech’ whinger who wants to say what you want but only so long as others suffer the consequences of what you say.

 

Say what you want and take the consequences!

[Elfin]

57 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Using the term ‘final solution’ in reference to an ethnic minority is overtly offensive, and quite clearly deliberately so.

 

Perhaps he should be taken on a tour of the Auschwitz-Birkenau Memorial and Museum to help him understand the historical context of his disgraceful use of such loaded language.

Chomper, you are cherry-picking the phrase "final solution" to reignite something that happened last century. You should read the whole transcript of his speech, then see what a fool you are.

As to having a guided tour of a franchise that you think would change people's views, you have to be kidding!

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, Elfin said:

Chomper, you are cherry-picking the phrase "final solution" to reignite something that happened last century. You should read the whole transcript of his speech, then see what a fool you are.

As to having a guided tour of a franchise that you think would change people's views, you have to be kidding!

“something that happened last century”.

 

Well it wasn’t just anything was it?!

 

Away with you and your disgraceful suggestion that I’m trying to reignite that ‘something’.

[Sir Dude]

Looking into the future...I can only see that this feeling of malcontent regarding indigenous populations, the world over, towards the wrong type of immigrants in many places will only be exasperated in the future. IMO, get ready for the closing of doors in so many places unless you can meet strict regulations. Give it 10-15 years and it will be so.

[Scott]

Troll post reported and removed. 

 

[Slip]

53 minutes ago, BuaBS said:

I know the 2 meanings . Going for the meaning a lot of us are thinking will get me deleted or suspended , so I left it vague.

So you dog-whistled to your fellow racist swamp dwellers,  and when several people called you on it, you were only able to post silly emoji reactions as usual.  At least now you admit what you are.  I hope for your sake there is no revolution in your near future.

[samran]

49 minutes ago, Elfin said:

Chomper, you are cherry-picking the phrase "final solution" to reignite something that happened last century. You should read the whole transcript of his speech, then see what a fool you are.

As to having a guided tour of a franchise that you think would change people's views, you have to be kidding!

And I guess WW2 was just a small skirmish. 

 

Its sad, but you are just so predictable. Revisionist hisorian playbook - talk down or belittle an event quickly disappearing from people’s recent memory (in this case the systematic wholesale mass murder of 6m odd people is now just another ‘something’). 

 

Sadly, as we are seeing, plenty of plenty of low altitude fliers like yourselves lap it up. It’s how history repeats itself. 

[Small Joke]

A senator. I was once going to run for the Aussie Senate as a very minor party hack.   I didn't when I discovered my other two citizenships would have disbarred me.  

Others, we now know,  had the same problem,  but being ratbags,  went for it anyway,  and only got caught later,  having made a tidy sum off the taxpayer.   And this Cretin,  along with others like Hanson, and Joyce (not a senator,  but an arsehat anyway) make me weep inwardly.

[simple1]

9 hours ago, samran said:

Got to disagree with you in the last bit.

 

The words ‘final solution’ are incendiary. In the context of the immigration debate, they are a dog whistle on steroids.

 

That he decided to use them a bit later in the speech isn’t really an excuse. Of course, the usual suspects in their faux  ‘considered’ quasi-intellectual tone will without irony state that it was taken out of context.

 

All they are doing is justifying the red herring he threw out so they can now bang on about it the apparently freighted people of Melbourne who can’t walk their streets. 

 

This bloke only got 27 votes and is only in the senate because the dipsh1t who proceeded him turned out to be a nasty foreigner as well, who’d was booed out for illegally getting into parliament on the grand total of 96 votes and some machevallian preference deals. 

 

I guess these same poor petals were writing outraged letters to the editors back in 1966 when articles like this were front page. Cause you know, white people never do anything wrong. <snip>

Upon reading the background of his primary speech writer, who is deeply interested in Hitler and authoritarianism, I have changed my mind; so 'Yes' deliberate incendiary insertion. For the Member to claim he had no prior knowledge of the context for 'Final Solution', if true, underlines general ignorance, therefore unsuitability for Office. The guy's predecessor, Roberts, was a conspiracy nutcase. Amazing how the right of centre worldwide keep selecting candidates and leaders wholly unsuited for public service.

 

The gang issue you reference in Melbourne. It's now been confirmed African gang members from South Sudan are in fact primarily Christian heritage, not Muslim. Let's see how many people will now apologise for their OTT vilification 'cause they thought they were Muslim refugees...

Edited August 15, 2018 by simple1

[heybuz]

9 hours ago, rickudon said:

Anning is your is your usual right wing product. Anti (most) Immigrants, anti-muslim, anti gay marriage,  anti abortion. Likes guns and weapons. No real political experience and comes from a small town in Queensland (Queensland was always well known for it's right wing penchant - hence their longtime previous dubious premier, Bjelke-Petersen.)

not really ,as the home of the labour party, the home of the shearers strike also the first communist member elected  in the world i'd say not. just a little bit different.petersen had a huge gerrymander.

[BuaBS]

10 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Grow a set and say what you mean.

 

Or are you another ‘Freedom of Speech’ whinger who wants to say what you want but only so long as others suffer the consequences of what you say.

 

Say what you want and take the consequences!

This is TVF . If I say what I want , I get deleted right away ... but that is just what you want so you can post your typical opinions first on every thread with likes. Ideas/opinions that are 180 degr away from yours and the MSM , are suppressed.

Look at this Senator Fraser Anning or what is happening with outlets like Alex Jones and the like .

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, BuaBS said:

This is TVF . If I say what I want , I get deleted right away ... but that is just what you want so you can post your typical opinions first on every thread with likes. Ideas/opinions that are 180 degr away from yours and the MSM , are suppressed.

Look at this Senator Fraser Anning or what is happening with outlets like Alex Jones and the like .

Poor poor you.

 

All that hate and nowhere to vent it.

 

[samran]

3 hours ago, BuaBS said:

This is TVF . If I say what I want , I get deleted right away ... but that is just what you want so you can post your typical opinions first on every thread with likes. Ideas/opinions that are 180 degr away from yours and the MSM , are suppressed.

Look at this Senator Fraser Anning or what is happening with outlets like Alex Jones and the like .

But what are your thoughts? They don't happen to revolve around crocodiles killing people once every three months, as Annings party leader made a big deal about not long ago? It is a huge concern according to Katter.

 

I mean he is right, people are being killed by crocs at an alarming rate. More people being killed in OZ by crocs than by your bogie men and women. More people die falling off chairs as well in an average year in Australia. Are all your banned posts we don't get to see expressing concerns about crocodiles and chairs by any chance?

 

You poor petal you, being muzzled the way you have been!

Edited August 16, 2018 by samran

[MrJohnson]

21 hours ago, ELVIS123456 said:

What this bloke actually said was that Muslim immigration into Australia should be stopped.

He also stated that all terrorists are Muslims, and that the vast majority of Mulsim immigrants stay on welfare.

He called for immigration that favoured “European Christian” values and demnanded a plebiscite on which migrants can come to Australia.

Politically incorrect and rather unwise - but there are many who agree with him.

 

He is being accused of hate speech and racial vilification and they want him suspended.

But what is the left wing media up in arms and unhinged outrage about?

And on what are they basing their claims that he is a Nazi and Jew hater? 

 

This....................Quote: “The final solution to the immigration problem is, of course, a popular vote.” 

What he said was that the Australian people should vote on whether so many Muslims should be allowed to immigrate into Australia.

 

But because he used the words "final solution" he is being accused of all sorts of Nazi atrocities.

It is unbelieveable.  The media and lefties attack with venom anyone that dare questions Mulim immigration in Australia.

Remind you of anyone??

Yep.  The Nazis. Speaking out against offical dogma was not allowed.

 

I dont 100% agree with his speech, but he has the right to say it (in Parliament), and many people agree with him.

Especially those living near all the Muslim gangs in Melbourne and Sydney (and whose relatives are in Sweden and other European countries).

 

Agreed, the fact that  he enjoys the freedom to say what he said and indeed in the Commonwealth parliament means that free speech is alive and well in Australia. The fact that people can attack him for it likewise means they have access to free speech. Whilst I personally don't agree with his sentiments, I support his right to express them. His appropriation of the term ' final solution' was probably rather clumsy but hardly a hanging offense.

If we look back to the late seventies and early eighties it was all about Vietnamese drug gangs. Where are they now? Integrated, working and mostly prospering. Most of the issues around crime and newly arrived immigrants is related to economics and not religion. The Muslims are just the latest group of 'whipping boys' . They  won't be the last.

[ELVIS123456]

28 minutes ago, MrJohnson said:

Agreed, the fact that  he enjoys the freedom to say what he said and indeed in the Commonwealth parliament means that free speech is alive and well in Australia. The fact that people can attack him for it likewise means they have access to free speech. Whilst I personally don't agree with his sentiments, I support his right to express them. His appropriation of the term ' final solution' was probably rather clumsy but hardly a hanging offense.

If we look back to the late seventies and early eighties it was all about Vietnamese drug gangs. Where are they now? Integrated, working and mostly prospering. Most of the issues around crime and newly arrived immigrants is related to economics and not religion. The Muslims are just the latest group of 'whipping boys' . They  won't be the last.

Agreed.  But I am reserved about Muslims.  Unlike all the other groups that have come into Aust, starting with Greeks and Ities after WW2, it seems to me that Muslims never integrate anywhere in the world. Everyone else finds their own niche and settles in - live and let live. Not sure Muslims ever have and ever will.  

 

[MrJohnson]

14 minutes ago, ELVIS123456 said:

Agreed.  But I am reserved about Muslims.  Unlike all the other groups that have come into Aust, starting with Greeks and Ities after WW2, it seems to me that Muslims never integrate anywhere in the world. Everyone else finds their own niche and settles in - live and let live. Not sure Muslims ever have and ever will.  

 

Yes, point taken but I think what needs to be kept in mind is that they (Muslims) are not necessarily an homogenous group. Islam is  quite moderate in parts of Indonesia and Malaysia and indeed there are many Muslims from both these countries already living quite happily in Australia. Another important factor is also how well they can speak English. This is a huge barrier to integration and one of the reasons that it is not until the second generation comes along and are near native speakers that things improve. But I go back to my original point. It is about the economics.  As Bob Marley famously sang '...a hungry man is an angry man..' If you look at the parts of the UK that are beset with immigrant problems they are also some of the  most  economically disadvantaged parts of the UK. Chicken and egg? Maybe.

[chainarong]

Quite often there's a call for a plebiscite on such matters, however this will never happen, simply because they already know the answers, there is quite a few in Australian society that don't believe that multiculturalism is working , I guess the best people to ask on such matters is the embattled police department. 

[BuaBS]

8 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Poor poor you.

 

All that hate and nowhere to vent it.

 

Sure I can ... on other forums.

[moojar]

40 minutes ago, BuaBS said:

Sure I can ... on other forums.

Yeah, try this blog - http://pickeringpost.com/story/how-far-right-is-fraser-anning-/8463 - The comments are pages of invective saying things like "africoon maggot", "most patriotic thinking Australians",  "saying what fair dinkum Aussies are thinking and saying".   It all sounds like a One Nation branch meeting. 

 

We're starting to go the way of the USA in our 'left' and 'right' labels, and never the twain shall meet.  A bit of a worry.  

 

[samran]

21 hours ago, ELVIS123456 said:

Agreed.  But I am reserved about Muslims.  Unlike all the other groups that have come into Aust, starting with Greeks and Ities after WW2, it seems to me that Muslims never integrate anywhere in the world. Everyone else finds their own niche and settles in - live and let live. Not sure Muslims ever have and ever will.  

 

Absolute BS. 

 

The bloke who came second in last years Norm Smith medal count, and arguably should have won it for his GF performance was Muslim.

 

Playing Australia’s indigenous game at highest level for one of Australia’s oldest clubs - and at the same time running weekly footy clinics with a lot of kids from his background so they develop a love and appreciation of an uniquely Australian sport.

 

Is this what you call ‘not integrating’? Bloody hell, the bar is never set high enough for you blokes is it? 

 

Never mind, tonight he’s doing the coin toss in the match of the round vs Essendon, doing it with another Muslim fellow who is a class Essendon defender. 

 

A deliberate ‘up yours’ to the fraiser annings of the world. These two clubs have 170,000 members between them. 

 

Old dunder head fraser could barely scratch together 27 votes last election.

 

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/houli-and-saad-to-join-coin-toss-for-solidarity-20180816-p4zxyq.html

 

 

[Odysseus123]

43 minutes ago, samran said:

Absolute BS. 

 

The bloke who came second in last years Norm Smith medal count, and arguably should have won it for his GF performance was Muslim.

 

Playing Australia’s indigenous game at highest level for one of Australia’s oldest clubs - and at the same time running weekly footy clinics with a lot of kids from his background so they develop a love and appreciation of an uniquely Australian sport.

 

Is this what you call ‘not integrating’? Bloody hell, the bar is never set high enough for you blokes is it? 

 

Never mind, tonight he’s doing the coin toss in the match of the round vs Essendon, doing it with another Muslim fellow who is a class Essendon defender. 

 

A deliberate ‘up yours’ to the fraiser annings of the world. These two clubs have 170,000 members between them. 

 

Old dunder head fraser could barely scratch together 27 votes last election.

 

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/houli-and-saad-to-join-coin-toss-for-solidarity-20180816-p4zxyq.html

 

 

Yes-well said.

 

I live in a medium sized Aussie (NSW) country town which I thoroughly enjoy-even tho' I love Thailand as well...

 

My GP is Egyptian.

My cardiologist is Indian

One of my carers is Filipina/Italian.

My next door neighbour is Swedish

The cheery neighbour's across the driveway are indigenous folk

The lady I spoke to this morning was from Samoa...

All consider themselves as Aussie as anyone else..be they Anglo Celtic/Saxon/European or from anywhere else...

 

Viva la difference..

 

 

Edited August 17, 2018 by Odysseus123

[samran]

^^

stunning. I want to retire someplace like that!

[NumbNut]

On ‎8‎/‎16‎/‎2018 at 9:03 AM, heybuz said:

not really ,as the home of the labour party, the home of the shearers strike also the first communist member elected  in the world i'd say not. just a little bit different.petersen had a huge gerrymander.

 

So true. Queensland has a rich left of centre history. It's just a shame most Aussie's seem unaware of it.

Edited August 17, 2018 by NumbNut

[NumbNut]

16 hours ago, moojar said:

Yeah, try this blog - http://pickeringpost.com/story/how-far-right-is-fraser-anning-/8463 - The comments are pages of invective saying things like "africoon maggot", "most patriotic thinking Australians",  "saying what fair dinkum Aussies are thinking and saying".   It all sounds like a One Nation branch meeting. 

 

We're starting to go the way of the USA in our 'left' and 'right' labels, and never the twain shall meet.  A bit of a worry.  

 

 

Pickering's a flea, he should stick to being a cartoonist, drawing politicians with their 'wedding tackle' out.

 

It's the only thing he's qualified to do. 

[Odysseus123]

36 minutes ago, samran said:

^^

stunning. I want to retire someplace like that!

It is glorious-in a different way to Thailand which I also love..

This is basically what I see from my balcony.

 

My point is that I see very little of the obnoxious racism being expressed by Anning and Co.

 

Someone told me a great joke the other day-their uncle's dog was turning into a Muslim..trust Aussies to see the humour in it because that is what they are good at.

Before anyone accuses me of being unpatriotic..here are members of my family enshrined in stone.

 

 

Edited August 17, 2018 by Odysseus123

[NumbNut]

28 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said:

Yes-well said.

 

I live in a medium sized Aussie (NSW) country town which I thoroughly enjoy-even tho' I love Thailand as well...

 

My GP is Egyptian.

My cardiologist is Indian

One of my carers is Filipina/Italian.

My next door neighbour is Swedish

The cheery neighbour's across the driveway are indigenous folk

The lady I spoke to this morning was from Samoa...

All consider themselves as Aussie as anyone else..be they Anglo Celtic/Saxon/European or from anywhere else...

 

Viva la difference..

 

 

Slice of heaven. What a top spot to blow the froth of a beer or seven...