German far-right protesters clash with leftists after Chemnitz stabbing

[3NUMBAS]

heading the same way as sweden

[ivor bigun]

Elvis123456
You have hit the nail squarly on the head, 100% right, my father came to Britain from Europe to fight Hitler,married a local girl and became more British than those born there,we his children were British as are our kids ,well one of mine has lived here and in the UK so is a bit of both .
But Islam will never integrate,saw it in my old home town,in my street 1 hindu family ,2 black ones ,but you only see Muslims in their own areas,and as for the ones on here who simply say we are wrong ,get your head out of the sand

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[maximillian]

10 hours ago, German farang said:

Would it be to radical to consider Bukarest '89 as an good example? I don't think so!

 

It doesn't need another Bukarest 1989. But I suerely would welcome mass demonstrations in Berlin.

And when I say "mass demonstrations" I'm thinking of a couple of million participants. No, not in Germany...  People there are complaining every day all day long but at the next elections, they vote for the same bunch of crooks again.

One cannot expect changes by doing the same things all over again.

Regards from another German farang.

 

 

 

 

 

[Credo]

@ELVIS123456

 

I think your earlier post was well written, well thought out and correct in many regards.   

 

I am liberal, I am pro-refugees, and pro-immigrants.   So please don't start putting everyone into a box based on selected beliefs.   

I have nothing against Islam or Muslims, but 'waves' of immigrants causes problems for the majority population.   You mentioned the discrimination against yourself and other groups that were eventually assimilated.  That has to be the goal with all groups coming into a country.   That means careful, controlled and well regulated policies toward refugees and immigrants.   The goal isn't to transplant or superimpose one group over the majority culture.   That causes a lot of problems for everyone.   

 

IMO, Muslims will eventually assimilate.   I know a lot who have immigrated and have very moderate views on their religion.   They were unable to form little enclaves because of the smaller numbers.   

 

[simple1]

10 hours ago, ELVIS123456 said:

Listen to what you said Simple One - "look at current definitions of 'far right"  "commentary precisely, including yours, fall under the definition/s"

 

You are completely locked into the belief that whatever a liberal academic defines as something, is that something.

 

Reality - because a liberal academic says something or defines something, does not make it so simple one.

Reality - because you can quote what an academic wrote, does not mean that you or the academic are correct simple one.

 

You are wrong to use the views of academics as any sort of factual evidence that your own correlating views are therefore correct.

If you cannot defend your own opinions with your own articulated and reasoned thoughts, then your views are invalid - typically this means they are based on emotions and not reasons.

 

There is still time for you simple one, all you have to do is assess the facts impassionately and impartially, and then form your own views and opinions.

As the twitter trending statement of the month/year says:  #walkaway  Get wise to the liberal hypocrisy and unreasoned views and get #woke and #walkaway

 

 

Get over yourself with relentless denials / deflections. Your & others similar posts are classic copy and paste of far right / right of centre / alt right rhetoric. Not claiming you have, but in some cases on TV going as far as applauding deaths at sea of asylum seekers, invoking genocide of Muslims and so on, Mutual 'liking' of OTT anti Muslim / asylum seeker content etc i.e. today's far right propaganda which does include generalised vicious anti migrant content. Numerous examples of far right propaganda in this topic from the same  members who post vilification posts of all Muslims, yet, except for a one or two, always deny the origin of their content.

 

Getting back to the OP, German Police are now seeking some of the far demonstrators for illegal activity i.e. Nazi salutes. Plus many used Nazi era slogans. Not claiming all were active neo-Nazis, but obviously mixing in the same cesspit.

Edited August 28, 2018 by simple1

[welovesundaysatspace]

14 hours ago, Walter Travolta said:

This is a great example of the recent FAKE NEWS topic the TVF put out a few days ago. 

For those of you who do not know, there was a music festival in this town. At this music festival, were around 10 Africans initially (but now reported as could be Syrian) who were sexually assaulting some women. Three German guys went over to try and stop it. One of the Germans was stabbed 25 times and quite obviously died. 2 of his friends are still in hospital fighting for their lives as of last night anyway.

So what? The one doesn’t justify the other. There’s police and courts for these things. What are you going to say the next time a group of Thai teenagers beats up an old Farang guy because he behaved indecently? 

 

And this wasn’t even self-justice. This was pure neo-nazi shit; and they use that death of the German guy to justify their actions. 

 

Truth is: Eastern Germany, and Saxony in particular, are known for their neo-nazis. Empty countryside with nothing much to do; lots of uneducated, unemployed useless people looking for a scapegoat. Ironically, those parts of Germany don’t even have many foreigners; in some of poor villages, there is no one else other than some sad neo-nazis. 

 

Germany accepted those people during the Cold War and in 89, and German people are still paying an extra-tax just to help all those immigrants from the former DDR. They’re abusing germany’s hospitability by bringing their fascist culture, vandalizing, threatening citizens and media. The DDR doesn’t exist anymore, so they cannot be sent home to where they came from. Maybe Russia wants them; I’ve heard there’s also a big scene of neo-nazis and homophobia. It’s disgusting to see how these neo-nazis immigrated into our social system, brought their radicalism, and now we are paying for them. I hope they will face the Justice system. 

 

Edited August 29, 2018 by welovesundaysatspace

[ivor bigun]

Its a waste of time arguing on here the left wing never admit they are wrong ,just keep spouting the same old rubbish and never admit they are wrong, just that we did it the "wrong' way

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[roobaa01]

on the 27.08.18 the successfull afd party held a press conference in saxonian parliament whereby its speaker related to the latest pks (police crime statistics) to explain that migrant , asylum seeker related capital crimes has tremendously increased for rape, murder etc..in saxoia. thereto that migrants are overly represented in those capital crime felds, whereas there is no statistics yet compiled about knife attacks. then he went on as to say the people of saxonia are fed up with those migrant crimes.

 

wbr

roobaa01

[welovesundaysatspace]

3 minutes ago, roobaa01 said:

calling 25 % of saxonians illitrate, uneducated lowifes is racism. 

I am not surprised you don’t know what racism means. Good thing is, you can research that. 

 

I am also not surprised that you’re spreading lies (because I never said above). Not sure if you can work on that habit. 

[metisdead]

A post containing an invalid link has been removed.  If you do not know how to post a link to a specific article to justify your claims, don't bother posting.  

[welovesundaysatspace]

1 hour ago, ivor bigun said:

Its a waste of time arguing on here the left wing never admit they are wrong ,just keep spouting the same old rubbish and never admit they are wrong, just that we did it the "wrong' way

It’s not called “arguing” when you don’t have any arguments but just spread lies and fears. 

[ivor bigun]

It’s not called “arguing” when you don’t have any arguments but just spread lies and fears. 

What the left you mean who spread lies and cover up the truth

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[micmichd]

14 hours ago, Credo said:

@ELVIS123456

 

I think your earlier post was well written, well thought out and correct in many regards.   

 

I am liberal, I am pro-refugees, and pro-immigrants.   So please don't start putting everyone into a box based on selected beliefs.   

I have nothing against Islam or Muslims, but 'waves' of immigrants causes problems for the majority population.   You mentioned the discrimination against yourself and other groups that were eventually assimilated.  That has to be the goal with all groups coming into a country.   That means careful, controlled and well regulated policies toward refugees and immigrants.   The goal isn't to transplant or superimpose one group over the majority culture.   That causes a lot of problems for everyone.   

 

IMO, Muslims will eventually assimilate.   I know a lot who have immigrated and have very moderate views on their religion.   They were unable to form little enclaves because of the smaller numbers.   

 

Taking into account that approx. half of the African refugees in Germany are not Muslims at all, I find it hard to call that African-bashing anything else but racism. The German town where I came from (Heidelberg) was the US Army Headquarters once, and the black GIs and officers got bashed, too. 

In Chemnitz (Saxonia) btw there are hardly any black foreigners around, so I guess these Neo-Nazis just need a scapegoat for their miserable low lives.

[Ron19]

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[dick dasterdly]

20 hours ago, ELVIS123456 said:

Listen to what you said Simple One - "look at current definitions of 'far right"  "commentary precisely, including yours, fall under the definition/s"

 

You are completely locked into the belief that whatever a liberal academic defines as something, is that something.

 

Reality - because a liberal academic says something or defines something, does not make it so simple one.

Reality - because you can quote what an academic wrote, does not mean that you or the academic are correct simple one.

 

You are wrong to use the views of academics as any sort of factual evidence that your own correlating views are therefore correct.

If you cannot defend your own opinions with your own articulated and reasoned thoughts, then your views are invalid - typically this means they are based on emotions and not reasons.

 

There is still time for you simple one, all you have to do is assess the facts impassionately and impartially, and then form your own views and opinions.

As the twitter trending statement of the month/year says:  #walkaway  Get wise to the liberal hypocrisy and unreasoned views and get #woke and #walkaway

 

 

 

10 hours ago, simple1 said:

Get over yourself with relentless denials / deflections. Your & others similar posts are classic copy and paste of far right / right of centre / alt right rhetoric. Not claiming you have, but in some cases on TV going as far as applauding deaths at sea of asylum seekers, invoking genocide of Muslims and so on, Mutual 'liking' of OTT anti Muslim / asylum seeker content etc i.e. today's far right propaganda which does include generalised vicious anti migrant content. Numerous examples of far right propaganda in this topic from the same  members who post vilification posts of all Muslims, yet, except for a one or two, always deny the origin of their content.

 

Getting back to the OP, German Police are now seeking some of the far demonstrators for illegal activity i.e. Nazi salutes. Plus many used Nazi era slogans. Not claiming all were active neo-Nazis, but obviously mixing in the same cesspit.

Elvis' comment above is absolutely right - you have a bad habit of assuming that anyone that objects to your idea of liberal is nothing of the sort and, is instead.... either far right or left....

 

Which is one of the reasons why I seriously dislike this type of 'labelling'.

 

It really isn't at all hard to understand why people that are (generally) not particularly bothered either way, are becoming bad-tempered to the extent of protesting about the wave of immigrants (some of whom are carrying out serious assaults) that have been allowed in as 'refugees'....

[simple1]

29 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

 

Elvis' comment above is absolutely right - you have a bad habit of assuming that anyone that objects to your idea of liberal is nothing of the sort and, is instead.... either far right or left....

 

Which is one of the reasons why I seriously dislike this type of 'labelling'.

 

It really isn't at all hard to understand why people that are (generally) not particularly bothered either way, are becoming bad-tempered to the extent of protesting about the wave of immigrants (some of whom are carrying out serious assaults) that have been allowed in as 'refugees'....

yet another post by you using "right of centre" messaging. Next you'll likely call them "patriots" keep digging - LOL. 

Edited August 29, 2018 by simple1

[ELVIS123456]

12 hours ago, simple1 said:

Get over yourself with relentless denials / deflections. Your & others similar posts are classic copy and paste of far right / right of centre / alt right rhetoric. Not claiming you have, but in some cases on TV going as far as applauding deaths at sea of asylum seekers, invoking genocide of Muslims and so on, Mutual 'liking' of OTT anti Muslim / asylum seeker content etc i.e. today's far right propaganda which does include generalised vicious anti migrant content. Numerous examples of far right propaganda in this topic from the same  members who post vilification posts of all Muslims, yet, except for a one or two, always deny the origin of their content.

 

Getting back to the OP, German Police are now seeking some of the far demonstrators for illegal activity i.e. Nazi salutes. Plus many used Nazi era slogans. Not claiming all were active neo-Nazis, but obviously mixing in the same cesspit.

 Fail.  F-  

Try again - instead of abusing myself and stating that what I wrote is wrong, try something different.

 

Try writing down clearly (articulate) the reasons and the rationale behind your opinions. 

Give me (and everyone) everyone some logical reasons for your viewpoint.

 

The reason you did not do that is provided in my previous response to you - irrational liberal emotions dominate your thinking. 

Have a close read and see that I have not 'demanded' that you agree with me/conservatives. 

I have merely asked you to think for yourself and to articulate those thoughts and reasons, in order to defend your opinions.

I say again it again -  think for yourself and #walkaway from the liberal 'mantra' you follow - walk your own path.

 

[Walter Travolta]

9 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

So what? The one doesn’t justify the other. There’s police and courts for these things. What are you going to say the next time a group of Thai teenagers beats up an old Farang guy because he behaved indecently? 

 

And this wasn’t even self-justice. This was pure neo-nazi shit; and they use that death of the German guy to justify their actions. 

 

Truth is: Eastern Germany, and Saxony in particular, are known for their neo-nazis. Empty countryside with nothing much to do; lots of uneducated, unemployed useless people looking for a scapegoat. Ironically, those parts of Germany don’t even have many foreigners; in some of poor villages, there is no one else other than some sad neo-nazis. 

 

Germany accepted those people during the Cold War and in 89, and German people are still paying an extra-tax just to help all those immigrants from the former DDR. They’re abusing germany’s hospitability by bringing their fascist culture, vandalizing, threatening citizens and media. The DDR doesn’t exist anymore, so they cannot be sent home to where they came from. Maybe Russia wants them; I’ve heard there’s also a big scene of neo-nazis and homophobia. It’s disgusting to see how these neo-nazis immigrated into our social system, brought their radicalism, and now we are paying for them. I hope they will face the Justice system. 

 

Are you for real? 

 

 

[welovesundaysatspace]

Just now, Walter Travolta said:

Are you for real? 

I’ve lived in Germany long enough. 

[ELVIS123456]

 

The facts of an issue being complained about, and the truth of a subject being raised, are completely irrelevant to who is making the complaint or raising the issue.

 

Liberals extremists will dispute anything a 'conservative' or 'far right' person says or does - as observed in Germany - whether the facts back it, or the truth supports it.

That is the quintessential difference between those liberals that have #walkedaway from liberal dogma, and those that remain emotional and irrational.

It doesn't mean they become conservatives, it means they think each issue for themselves and make their own opinions - such as the immigration problems in Germany.

 

Extremist liberals 'demand' that anything critical of their dogma is denounced as the views of a Nazi (a far right white supremacist) - as they portray the German protesters to be.

They portray them as this 'label' in order to justify their own intellectual dogma and to 'prove' that what they said/did is wrong.

They play the man, and not the ball - they think emotionally and they allow those emotions to be 'directed' by other liberals (especially academics).

 

To give a clear example of that extremist liberal views stopping them from making rational decisions:

The Nazi Government in Germany was not all bad. 

Liberal extremists just imploded - by I ask them to read below and to #walkaway.

 

The Nazi Government in Germany was truly evil and had to be destroyed.  But they were also the first Government in the world to introduce Laws that protected the environment (National Parks) and the first to make Laws that provided animal rights (Making Cruelty/Killing Illegal).  Not everything they did was evil - most was - but not all.

 

As I stated above - it does not matter who is saying it or who is doing it - what matters are the facts and the truth - case by case, issue by issue.

 

[Slip]

#walkaway is a right-wing created talking point that has been pushed by bots and trolls.  Please don't use it as part of an already weak argument consisting solely of opinion and rhetoric.

Edited August 29, 2018 by Slip

[Chomper Higgot]

23 hours ago, ELVIS123456 said:

Listen to what you said Simple One - "look at current definitions of 'far right"  "commentary precisely, including yours, fall under the definition/s"

 

You are completely locked into the belief that whatever a liberal academic defines as something, is that something.

 

Reality - because a liberal academic says something or defines something, does not make it so simple one.

Reality - because you can quote what an academic wrote, does not mean that you or the academic are correct simple one.

 

You are wrong to use the views of academics as any sort of factual evidence that your own correlating views are therefore correct.

If you cannot defend your own opinions with your own articulated and reasoned thoughts, then your views are invalid - typically this means they are based on emotions and not reasons.

 

There is still time for you simple one, all you have to do is assess the facts impassionately and impartially, and then form your own views and opinions.

As the twitter trending statement of the month/year says:  #walkaway  Get wise to the liberal hypocrisy and unreasoned views and get #woke and #walkaway

 

 

I’ve read some garbage on TVF but that is right up there with the worst of it.

 

’Wrong to use the views of academics’

 

‘If you cannot defend your own opinions with your own articulated and reasoned thoughts, then your views are invalid’.

 

What because we are all supposed to go back to first principles when we express an opinion?

 

Well that’s a bit of a problem if we have start reciting the writings of Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle on the nature of truth, before we can argue something is true.

 

But of course by your argument that would not be good enough either; you’ld come back and rip the argument apart because somebody quoted Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle instead of commencing their point of view from first principles rather than quoting the works of the fathers of western philosophy.

 

Oh and look at your use of the non specific ‘What an academic says’.

 

I spoke with an academic yesterday, she said lots of things, mainly about our plans to meet up later in the year.

 

What she says in her published academic work is something completely different.

 

It is all backed up by data and the cross referenced work of other academics, it contains clear statements on the limitations of the work, a critical analysis of the data and sources used and is subjected to critical peer review (often from academics in universities from around the world) and of course once published open to critical review and counter thesis.

 

The form of these critical reviews is not some bloke or woman declaring the work rubbish, it is a detailed critical analysis of data and the basis of arguments and conclusions within the work.

 

What academics say is a meaningless statement.

 

What published academic research has to say and the theses of academics supported by academic research are entirely different matters.

 

You conflate these in the same way as you present your broad, and negative, generalizations of others (particularly Muslims). 

 

The core of the processes of academic research and publishing is the critical examination of a thesis.

 

It is that which provides the value of academic writing as a source of ideas, information, points of view and data.

 

Your ‘late to the game’ assertions that we should not rely on the ideas of others is patently hogwash.

[metisdead]

Posts containing offensive references have been removed as well as the replies. 

 

Off topic posts and the replies were removed as well. 

[Walter Travolta]

50 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

I’ve lived in Germany long enough. 

Wow - you continue to show your irrelevance and ignorance

[welovesundaysatspace]

1 hour ago, Walter Travolta said:

Wow - you continue to show your irrelevance and ignorance

You’re the one posting one-liners lacking anything substantial. Not surprised; just saying. 

[Esso49]

2 hours ago, ELVIS123456 said:

 Fail.  F-  

Try again - instead of abusing myself and stating that what I wrote is wrong, try something different.

 

Try writing down clearly (articulate) the reasons and the rationale behind your opinions. 

Give me (and everyone) everyone some logical reasons for your viewpoint.

 

The reason you did not do that is provided in my previous response to you - irrational liberal emotions dominate your thinking. 

Have a close read and see that I have not 'demanded' that you agree with me/conservatives. 

I have merely asked you to think for yourself and to articulate those thoughts and reasons, in order to defend your opinions.

I say again it again -  think for yourself and #walkaway from the liberal 'mantra' you follow - walk your own path.

 

But don,t forget Liberal emotions also resulted in the opportunity  for Germany in thinking it could take over the world prior to both of last centuries world wars.  Liberalalist thinking was and still is the scourge of the free world as history portrays

[Chomper Higgot]

8 minutes ago, Esso49 said:

But don,t forget Liberal emotions also resulted in the opportunity  for Germany in thinking it could take over the world prior to both of last centuries world wars.  Liberalalist thinking was and still is the scourge of the free world as history portrays

I hope for your own sake thats meant to be irony. 

 

If not you need [professional] help.

Edited August 29, 2018 by Chomper Higgot

[ivor bigun]

I hope for your own sake thats meant to be irony. 
 
If not you need [professional] help.

Well lets hope you are not offering it,or the other "liberals",posting on here,because if you ,like Merkal have your way the west is doomed

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[blazes]

The article cited below covers much of the ground we are trudging over in this thread.  R. W. Johnson is a distinguished academic with a contrarian bent.  This article is sober in tone, but apocalyptic in conclusion.

 

http://standpointmag.co.uk/features-september-2018-rw-johnson-the-inevitability-of-fortress-europe-migration

[simple1]

9 hours ago, ELVIS123456 said:

 Fail.  F-  

Try again - instead of abusing myself and stating that what I wrote is wrong, try something different.

 

Try writing down clearly (articulate) the reasons and the rationale behind your opinions. 

Give me (and everyone) everyone some logical reasons for your viewpoint.

 

The reason you did not do that is provided in my previous response to you - irrational liberal emotions dominate your thinking. 

Have a close read and see that I have not 'demanded' that you agree with me/conservatives. 

I have merely asked you to think for yourself and to articulate those thoughts and reasons, in order to defend your opinions.

I say again it again -  think for yourself and #walkaway from the liberal 'mantra' you follow - walk your own path.

 

I have given my reasons, you reject them. Why do I push back on those calling the hard right 'patriots' and other nonsense, my complete rejection of hard right ideology.

 

You are Australian, why are you not listening to our national security, plus other Western governments not dominated by hard right populist ideology,  professionals who clearly state hard right divisive social media does not assist against Islamist extremism, criminality and so on.

 

Have you ever thought about why so many on this forum have attempted to excuse the behaviour of

far right demonstrators in the OP, use the language of the far right, keep liking each others all encompassing vilification posts and then deny they are enablers - LOL

Edited August 29, 2018 by simple1