Big Joke to fly to England to interview teen who claimed rape on Koh Tao

[Dumbastheycome]

Meanwhile, back in real  time reality, if the RTP were to or had restrospectively  started an investigation  on the basis of a  rape  complaint which they have  no  official record of  where would they  begin?  Arresting   any and every  smiling  man in sight or?

Sifting the  sands  of a tidal wash  for seminal residues  from persons unknown or ?

Or     ....  maybe requesting  the  claimed  evidence  from a t shirt  and another   sample  of the  boyfriend? At least a start point. 

Work it out  peep-ls!

There is  nothing to work with  for any investigation. The  victim  has avoided providing anything !

It  is  not   "case  closed".

It  is  "what  case? ".

 

 

 

 

 

[AlexRich]

6 hours ago, Just Weird said:

"You claim that she did not report a rape, and is therefore lying to the world". 

You seem to be claiming that she did report a rape.  

 

"No proper professional investigation has taken place, and never will ... for a number of reasons that have little to do with the victim..."

You mean the "victim" who, nearly three months after the alleged incident has still not officially made a complaint to the only agency she can make a complaint to and expect an investigation, nor has she allowed herself to be interviewed about the alleged rape?  I think those circumstances have a lot to do with the alleged victim.

She reported the attack to Thai police, who did nothing ... nothing until the reports hit the headlines ... then the white wash team showed up for a photo op and declared no crime took place and the girl was a liar who should be banned from Thailand ... so that's the people she should be talking to? 

[AlexRich]

29 minutes ago, Dumbastheycome said:

Meanwhile, back in real  time reality, if the RTP were to or had restrospectively  started an investigation  on the basis of a  rape  complaint which they have  no  official record of  where would they  begin?  Arresting   any and every  smiling  man in sight or?

Sifting the  sands  of a tidal wash  for seminal residues  from persons unknown or ?

Or     ....  maybe requesting  the  claimed  evidence  from a t shirt  and another   sample  of the  boyfriend? At least a start point. 

Work it out  peep-ls!

There is  nothing to work with  for any investigation. The  victim  has avoided providing anything !

It  is  not   "case  closed".

It  is  "what  case? ".

 

 

 

 

 

 

I commend you on a selecting an appropriate avatar.

[Ks45672]

3 minutes ago, cyberfarang said:

They did want to interview her while she was in Thailand. She was told to report to the correct jurisdiction police in Koh Tao, but instead she decided to only report the loss of some items for an insurance claim, meet her boyfriend at a full loon party and then do a disappearing act sharpish. She didn`t even bother to report the matter to the British Embassy for their support. The next thing is a statement from mummy berating the police and the island. 

 

Another point, the boyfriend and friends she was with have all gone quite. Why? Because they too know this rape claim is a load of bull because no one has come forward as witnesses to offer their support.

If it happened on a dark beach in the middle of the night there may not be any  "witnesses" to the act itself .... 

 

If there are witnesses the most they probably saw was her in the bar earlier drinking or leaving with the alledged rapist and that's not enough proof that she was drugged and raped later

 

Locals walking past would probably ignore it and assume it was consensual unless the girl was screaming for help etc

 

The fact she told the story to her mother, bf and uk friends in the next days does not make them into witnesses who can legally verify the story

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[joecoolfrog]

21 hours ago, cyberfarang said:

More likely the girl will find an excuse to pull out of the interview. Probably claim phycological trauma and too emotionally upset over her ALLEGED drug and rape ordeal.  

 

Now this girl is being called out on this and has a chance to state her case on her own ground. Big Joke is giving her this opportunity.

 

I guarantee nothing positive will come from her statements, simply because the phantom rapist doesn`t exist and it did not happen.

You are in no better position than anyone on this forum to guarantee anything , simply a display of bluster and bias !

[joecoolfrog]

21 hours ago, frank83628 said:

whys it always and 'agenda' if someone has a different opinion?

My experience is that if an opinion is voiced repeatedly and in the strongest possible terms , there may be an ulterior motive. Have you not found this to be the case or do you think that everybody works by a set of rigid principles that must be defended to the death ?

Edited September 15, 2018 by joecoolfrog

[frank83628]

1 minute ago, joecoolfrog said:

My experience is that if an opinion is voiced repeatedly and in the strongest possible terms , there may be an ulterior motive. Have you not found this to be the case or do you think that everybody works tp a set of rigid principles that must be defended to the death ?

with the ST yes, it is clear

[joecoolfrog]

7 hours ago, Kadilo said:

He’s lost the plot. 

No he is just sticking to his script . What price  a young girls reputation when a few baht is up for grabs !

[Kadilo]

1 minute ago, joecoolfrog said:

No he is just sticking to his script . What price  a young girls reputation when a few baht is up for grabs !

I’m not aware of his history although I’ve read a few things, but anyone who persists with this type of persecution of a young lady has serious issues imo 

[Just Weird]

8 hours ago, rkidlad said:

There's also no evidence he took a drowsy girl to the beach. Unless you're selectively choosing which part of the story to believe. You wouldn't do that, would you? 

There is evidence of that, it's in The Times' interview, in her own words!  Something along the lines of "we sat down on the beach together".

[Just Weird]

8 hours ago, frank83628 said:

No, not at.all..are there any female thai officers?

There are plenty.

[Just Weird]

7 hours ago, joebrown said:

Maybe Sir Galahad (Martin) was thinking (as you do) that nothing untoward ever happens on the paradise island of Koh Tao.

I have never said that nothing untoward ever happens there.

[ChakaKhan]

On 9/14/2018 at 2:23 AM, Megasin1 said:

He has already declared that there was no rape and as others have pointed out he can't speak English, so this just seems like yet another PR stunt. Does he not realise that England is actually a democracy and the girl is under no obligation to speak to him whatsoever. The good news is though that he will be able to take a short stroll through a London street and solve all of those unsolved crimes we have, or at least allow the police to remove them from their lists as they won't actually have happened.

Jack the Ripper SOLVED!!! NOW Whos the Big Joke On?  YOU Jack!!!

[Just Weird]

7 hours ago, cass74 said:

The comments against this 19 year old girl are disturbing and this is the reason why many rape victims don’t come forward. 

 

None of of us know what happened but  have formed our opinions based on our own experiences of Thailand & Koh Tao

 

I personally see the truth in her allegation, when I first read the news report and the sequence of events I actually thought that the way she had reacted was totally understandable and sensible.

1) Get off the island - at least you’re alive and she’d have been aware corrupt police

2) report at next available police station

3) police refuse to take rape allegation, take evidence home and report there

 

Pointless going to Embassy as they are diplomats with no power over Thai police 

 

It isn’t only her word , there is her friends word as well, he was drugged too 

"None of of us know what happened but  have formed our opinions based on our own experiences of Thailand & Koh Tao".

Some of us have formed our opinions based on what was reported and what Baxter herself said to The Times!

 

"police refuse to take rape allegation, take evidence home and report there"

That has not been shown to be true.

 

 

"It isn’t only her word , there is her friends word as well, he was drugged too"

No evidence of that either.

Edited September 15, 2018 by Just Weird

[rkidlad]

12 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

There is evidence of that, it's in The Times' interview, in her own words!  Something along the lines of "we sat down on the beach together".

Well done. You’ve just confirmed that you selectively choose information to believe. Shocking how it’s convenient to your narrative. 

[Just Weird]

5 hours ago, cass74 said:

If you’re drugged you’re completely unconscious for a few hours then you’re maybe a bit disoriented the next day.  So your maybe not fully functional but you are functioning to a certain degree and how each person reacts will be different and they shouldn’t be judged.

Why not?  Why not have an opinion about a drunk girl who claims, with  no evidence so far, to have been raped, a girl who so far also has made no official complaint about the rape to the RTP?  Talking about it in the press doesn't count as a complaint to the police.

[Just Weird]

5 hours ago, Ks45672 said:

Embassys have no power over the Thai  police, but victims of crime should probably inform their embassy about it anyway so they can advise future travellers 

 

A better question might be What power do  Thai police have in South London? 

With permission they can conduct an interview of someone who refuses, so far, to be interviewed, except by a couple of cash-paying rags!

[Just Weird]

4 hours ago, cass74 said:

Very true

 

I usually just read the forum but joined because I feel strongly about this subject and the unwarranted attacks on a 19 year old girl but I’m open to debate if it’s honest 

I'd love to hear your justification for calling the opinions some of us have about this girl "unwarranted".  Over to you, if you've got anything.

 

PS, your name's not Issy, is it?

Edited September 15, 2018 by Just Weird

[Just Weird]

2 hours ago, AlexRich said:

She reported the attack to Thai police, who did nothing ... nothing until the reports hit the headlines ... then the white wash team showed up for a photo op and declared no crime took place and the girl was a liar who should be banned from Thailand ... so that's the people she should be talking to? 

"She reported the attack to Thai police, who did nothing …"

That is what she said, it has not been proven to be true no matter how many times it's repeated her!

 

"...then the white wash team showed up for a photo op and declared no crime took place…"

That's not true either, the RTP stated that there was no evidence that what she claimed happened, they did not say that "no crime took place".  Funny that that "whitewash team" is offering an interview where they could be shown to be whitewashing, that's not the action of whitewashers.

[AlexRich]

15 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

Why not?  Why not have an opinion about a drunk girl who claims, with  no evidence so far, to have been raped, a girl who so far also has made no official complaint about the rape to the RTP?  Talking about it in the press doesn't count as a complaint to the police.

She made a statement to the Times, and in that statement she stated clearly that she reported the rape to Thai Police. And the Thai Police refused to register that complaint. 

[Just Weird]

21 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

Well done. You’ve just confirmed that you selectively choose information to believe. Shocking how it’s convenient to your narrative. 

Even more shocking is that is what she said!  Are you now saying that she shouldn't be believed just because that is what I believe?

Edited September 15, 2018 by Just Weird

[Just Weird]

12 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

Interview is on CSI LA’s Facebook page. 

 

Next.....

What interview?  I didn't ask about any interview.   Next.

[rkidlad]

1 minute ago, Just Weird said:

Even more shocking is that is what she said!  Are you now saying that she shouldn't be believed?

Yea. I’m clearly saying she shouldn’t be believed. How are the filings on the bottom of that barrel you’ve found? 

[Just Weird]

4 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

She made a statement to the Times, and in that statement she stated clearly that she reported the rape to Thai Police. And the Thai Police refused to register that complaint. 

That's just what she said,  that doesn't make it true!  She's got to keep saying that to give her doubtful tales some back up

[rkidlad]

2 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

What interview?  I didn't ask about any interview.   Next.

The interview on CSI LA’s page, obviously. 

[AlexRich]

1 minute ago, Just Weird said:

"She reported the attack to Thai police, who did nothing …"

That is what she said, it has not been proven to be true no matter how many times it's repeated her!

 

"...then the white wash team showed up for a photo op and declared no crime took place…"

That's not true either, the RTP stated that there was no evidence that what she claimed happened, they did not say that "no crime took place".  Funny that that "whitewash team" is offering an interview where they could be shown to be whitewashing, that's not the action of whitewashers.

 

I don't believe that she is lying. She reported the rape and it was not registered. 

 

As far as offering to interview her, that's quite consistent with a white-wash ... going through the motions, and then declaring that there is no evidence of a crime. Without the Times interview, he'd have done nothing.

 

 

[Just Weird]

Just now, rkidlad said:

The interview on CSI LA’s page, obviously. 

That would obviously be the location of the interview that I didn't originally ask about but you threw in, not a description of which interview.  Do you mean The Times interview?

[AlexRich]

2 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

That's just what she said,  that doesn't make it true!  She's got to keep saying that to give her doubtful tales some back up

 

And it doesn't make it false either ... it's highly unlikely anyone would put themselves through that if no rape took place. She has nothing to gain. 

[Just Weird]

4 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

 

I don't believe that she is lying. She reported the rape and it was not registered.

Your belief is based on what?  Her word alone?  Brilliant.

[rkidlad]

1 minute ago, Just Weird said:

That would obviously be the location of the interview that I didn't originally ask about but you threw in, not a description of which interview.  Do you mean The Times interview?

Put down your drink and go to bed.