Hundreds of thousands take to streets in London demanding second Brexit vote

[John1012]

25 minutes ago, flossie35 said:

Rubbish to you! Nothing was decided: the referendum was advisory. What's undemocratic about seeing whether people have second thoughts?

When I read the ballot paper there was NOTHING on it about the result being ADVISORY. How did you arrive at this conclusion? Was it at the snowflake symposium? Were you inebriated when you read the wording?

[AlexRich]

2 hours ago, vogie said:

Why should there be a second vote, we havn't acted on the first one yet. Lets be clear about this, the only people that are protesting are sore losers who cannot accept the peoples vote we had 2 years ago.

 

Is everything really that simple? Like a football fan who's team won the cup ... we won, you lost? It was a yes no question about, as we all now see, an incredibly complex matter that has huge implications for the 40 million + Brits who did not vote for it for decades in the future. And where the 17 million who did vote for it a homogenous grouping, agreeing on everything, clear on what the consequences would be? The debate was toxic, full of lies and misdirections ... Northern Ireland was hardly ever mentioned, the money we would save was quoted gross, instead of net, no one mentioned anything about a 40 billion plus settlement (and growing), Turkey was not about to join the EU and flood the UK with migrants, and it seems that they don't need us as much as we were told. I could go on.   

 

Now that we have the facts in front of us, the debate gets closer to reality and the truth, and if Parliament cannot settle Brexit the only people left to do so are the people of the UK. That is democracy in action.

 

[AlexRich]

3 minutes ago, John1012 said:

When I read the ballot paper there was NOTHING on it about the result being ADVISORY. How did you arrive at this conclusion? Was it at the snowflake symposium? Were you inebriated when you read the wording?

And there was nothing on the ballot about exiting the customs union or single market, or setting up rule books for goods, but not services ... or about anything that is being currently negotiated? But it is a fact that the referendum was advisory, and Parliament could have rejected it legally if they wanted to. 

[Joe Mcseismic]

Am a Brit. I didn't vote because I haven't lived there for nearly forty years. If I did, I would have voted to remain.

A referendum was held and the result was to leave. We must abide by that, even though it's a crap idea.

The reason I'm against a second vote is that it sets a bad precedent for the future and it devalues the whole idea of referendums (yes, I know the plural is referenda).

[John1012]

2 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

 

Is everything really that simple? Like a football fan who's team won the cup ... we won, you lost? It was a yes no question about, as we all now see, an incredibly complex matter that has huge implications for the 40 million + Brits who did not vote for it for decades in the future. And where the 17 million who did vote for it a homogenous grouping, agreeing on everything, clear on what the consequences would be? The debate was toxic, full of lies and misdirections ... Northern Ireland was hardly ever mentioned, the money we would save was quoted gross, instead of net, no one mentioned anything about a 40 billion plus settlement (and growing), Turkey was not about to join the EU and flood the UK with migrants, and it seems that they don't need us as much as we were told. I could go on.   

 

Now that we have the facts in front of us, the debate gets closer to reality and the truth, and if Parliament cannot settle Brexit the only people left to do so are the people of the UK. That is democracy in action.

 

If anything the reality of the situation is much clearer now. We have seen how devious and dictatorial the ruling cabal of the EU is.  How our ancient democratic system and proud national identity would rapidly be rendered irrelevant if we remain in the EU, by being slowly sucked into a United States of Europe controlled by a largely unaccountable socialist core in Brussels.

 

[BritManToo]

58 minutes ago, Sophon said:

So how do you explain that since January 1st 2016 the GBP has lost more than 20% against the THB, while in the same period the EUR has only lost 5%?

 

How do you explain that the GBP hasn't lost anything against the Filipino Peso, Vietnamese Dong and Laos Kip in that same time period?

[nauseus]

4 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

, but not services ... or about anything that is being currently negotiated? B

 

9 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

 

Is everything really that simple? Like a football fan who's team won the cup ... we won, you lost? It was a yes no question about, as we all now see, an incredibly complex matter that has huge implications for the 40 million + Brits who did not vote for it for decades in the future. And where the 17 million who did vote for it a homogenous grouping, agreeing on everything, clear on what the consequences would be? The debate was toxic, full of lies and misdirections ... Northern Ireland was hardly ever mentioned, the money we would save was quoted gross, instead of net, no one mentioned anything about a 40 billion plus settlement (and growing), Turkey was not about to join the EU and flood the UK with migrants, and it seems that they don't need us as much as we were told. I could go on.   

 

Now that we have the facts in front of us, the debate gets closer to reality and the truth, and if Parliament cannot settle Brexit the only people left to do so are the people of the UK. That is democracy in action.

 

That is democracy being overtuned.

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

And there was nothing on the ballot about exiting the customs union or single market, or setting up rule books for goods, but not services ... or about anything that is being currently negotiated? But it is a fact that the referendum was advisory, and Parliament could have rejected it legally if they wanted to. 

David Cameron prior to the referendum told the nation on the Andrew Marr Show that if the country voted to leave the EU that meant also leaving the single market. It was all very transparent, but over time people believe what they want to believe, people believe the rubbish that is written in the papers and what they view on the left wing tv.

People can go on about the referendum till the cows come home, but in reality Parliament voted for the nation to have this referendum.

[John1012]

5 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

And there was nothing on the ballot about exiting the customs union or single market, or setting up rule books for goods, but not services ... or about anything that is being currently negotiated? But it is a fact that the referendum was advisory, and Parliament could have rejected it legally if they wanted to. 

There was an implicit meaning in leave the EU, it meant all legislative powers would return to the UK. All previous arrangements with the EU would be null and void.  The European Union Referendum Act 2015 (c. 36) is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom that made a legal provision for a non-binding referendum to be held in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and Gibraltar, on whether it should remain a member state of the European Union or leave it. You are correct in that it was advisory, but what was the purpose if Parliament decided NOT to follow the advice?

[BritManToo]

2 hours ago, robblok said:

Now its far clearer than b4 what is at stake I hope the Brits have an other vote. I can understand the leavers not wanting this as they probably won't win again. Otherwise why worry. 

What if they have another vote and the leavers win by a bigger majority?

As to why worry, probably because every vote the globalists lost would need a second vote, or a third vote, or until we learned to vote for their global, multicultural, socialist, anti-family agenda.

[AlexRich]

7 minutes ago, John1012 said:

If anything the reality of the situation is much clearer now. We have seen how devious and dictatorial the ruling cabal of the EU is.  How our ancient democratic system and proud national identity would rapidly be rendered irrelevant if we remain in the EU, by being slowly sucked into a United States of Europe controlled by a largely unaccountable socialist core in Brussels.

 

 

The UK has its own currency, sets its own budget, sets its own taxes, controls its own armies, creates the bulk of its own laws, and has elected mostly right of centre governments these last 40 years. I don't see Germany, France or Holland agreeing to an EU football team anytime soon, as if only Brits have a proud national identity? They all do. 

 

You'll get your identity back as there will only be England left. NI will unite with Ireland and Scotland will follow them soon after. You lot have taken a great nation and diminished it.

[Retiredandhappyhere]

5 hours ago, Esso49 said:

Teresa May is the 2nd Nemesis of the UK, Thatcher was the first. Neither believed in listening to a huge outcry of public opinion. 

She is listening and is reacting to public opinion which expressed a desire by 52% to 48% to leave the EU.  No ifs or buts, just leave!

[Chomper Higgot]

9 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

That is democracy being overtuned.

Democracy  is a process in which the decisions of the past are always being overturned as public opinion changes. 

 

[evadgib]

 

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

What if they have another vote and the leavers win by a bigger majority?

As to why worry, probably because every vote the globalists lost would need a second vote, or a third vote, or until we learned to vote for their global, multicultural, socialist, anti-family agenda.

Ah them 'globalists'.

 

Just as well you have a bunch of Old Etonian hedge-fund managers looking after the interests of the common man. 

[AlexRich]

6 minutes ago, John1012 said:

There was an implicit meaning in leave the EU, it meant all legislative powers would return to the UK. All previous arrangements with the EU would be null and void.  The European Union Referendum Act 2015 (c. 36) is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom that made a legal provision for a non-binding referendum to be held in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and Gibraltar, on whether it should remain a member state of the European Union or leave it. You are correct in that it was advisory, but what was the purpose if Parliament decided NOT to follow the advice?

 

What they could have done is attempted to understand what drove the vote, which to my mind was a protest vote against immigration and austerity ... all of which were incorrectly blamed on the EU by those with a different agenda. Norway is not in the EU. Norway is not a member. The question was do you wish to leave or stay? Did they mean Norway? What leave meant was never mentioned ... and the politicians raised numerous scenarios during that debate ... no one had a clue what the actual outcome would be.

[AlexRich]

20 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

How do you explain that the GBP hasn't lost anything against the Filipino Peso, Vietnamese Dong and Laos Kip in that same time period?

 

Those countries are being hit by a strong dollar and rising rates in the US ... their debt is denominated in US dollars. Money flows out of such countries when the US dollar strengthens. Thailand does not have the same problem.  So they are weakening more than the GBP. 

[BritManToo]

16 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Ah them 'globalists'.

Just as well you have a bunch of Old Etonian hedge-fund managers looking after the interests of the common man. 

1

You prefer the old East German communists looking after the interests of the 'common man'?

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

You prefer the old East German communists looking after the interests of the 'common man'?

Where did that come from?

 

Oh you dreamt it up.

[Jeremy50]

2 hours ago, Esso49 said:

Just a thought. Let's say, for whatever reason, Brexit does not happen next year.  Do you think the pound would recover to 47/48 ? My bet would be 45 at the most, not just due to the Baht's current strength,  but due to the fact confidence in UK's policies and long term plans would be undermined , irrespective of whether you are a Remainer or Brexiteer.

It was 54 Baht to the pound before the disastrous vote. But , you are right, it won't regain it's full strength if Brexit is reversed. Most likely 48 Baht to the pound, but it aught to be 50+ to the pound after about a decade. That sure was a costly mistake, British people, particularly those living abroad have lost many billions due to the pound's devaluation.  

[connda]

Demanding a vote in order to allow unelected Technocrats to rule you?  Humm.  Really?
"We need a democratic election in order to destroy all vestiges of democratic leadership."

 

Cool.  More power to ya. 

[Jeremy50]

2 hours ago, smedly said:

you can blame Thailand for that one, the Brexit uncertainty is responsible for about a revolving 5% of the drop from 54 to 43 - the other 15% odd percent is down to the Thai BAHT strengthening against "ALL" mainstream currencies, if the Brexit vote never happened we would be looking at about 47/48 to the pound

You can't have even been awake or functional during the BREXIT vote. The pound lost 20% of it's value over night. Please try to pay attention.

[gunderhill]

Same  bunch would scream about democracy I suspect, funny how losers always want a recount.

Accept with some dignity whether you agree or not.

[sawadee1947]

5 hours ago, markaoffy said:

What huge outcry is that ? The 17.4 million in June 2016 gave “public opinion “ ! More remain loser nonsense


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That's not quite right :

2016 a paradise was promised but nobody talked about consequences and costs. 

Today we know that this decision of leaving EU will cost a fortune and tie up UK to develop their ideas without chains to EU. 

May did not tell the truth about Brexit and were hiding all those unsolved problems a long time. 

So after we know more facts than 2016 a second referendum is urgent. Or make a u-turn a think about again before making decisions. 

How May is clinging to power is embarracing anyway. 

[tezzainoz]

Our new Policy is to be able to keep voting, again and again

Until we get the decision WE WANT

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, tezzainoz said:

Our new Policy is to be able to keep voting, again and again

Until we get the decision WE WANT

 

 

While there is a democracy the government will respond to changing public opinion. 

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, AlexRich said:

And there was nothing on the ballot about exiting the customs union or single market, or setting up rule books for goods, but not services ... or about anything that is being currently negotiated? But it is a fact that the referendum was advisory, and Parliament could have rejected it legally if they wanted to. 

But they didn't want to....and there is a very good reason why.

[Joe Mcseismic]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

What if they have another vote and the leavers win by a bigger majority?

As to why worry, probably because every vote the globalists lost would need a second vote, or a third vote, or until we learned to vote for their global, multicultural, socialist, anti-family agenda.

Globalists? The language of Trump and his cronies.

Globalization is inevitable and wasn't the invention of anyone. If you must blame something, blame logic.

[Sophon]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

How do you explain that the GBP hasn't lost anything against the Filipino Peso, Vietnamese Dong and Laos Kip in that same time period?

Seriously, what kind of argument is that? A few other weak currencies has held their own against the GBP, so that means that the GBP hasn't suffered from Brexit? The GBP has gained more than 100% against the Argentinian Peso, so I guess that means Brexit has strengthened the GBP.

 

The claim I responded to was that only about 5% of the 20% drop in the GBP to THB exchange rate was because of GBP weakness, and the rest was caused by THB strength causing all major currencies to have similar drops against the THB. The fact is that no major currency has seen nearly as large a drop against the THB as the GBP since the year of the referendum. Clearly, the majority of the drop in the GBP exchange rate is due to Brexit.

 

And by the way, the GBP has lost almost 10% against both the Vietnamese Dong and the Laos Kip over the mentioned period.

 

Sophon

 

 

[candide]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

What if they have another vote and the leavers win by a bigger majority?

As to why worry, probably because every vote the globalists lost would need a second vote, or a third vote, or until we learned to vote for their global, multicultural, socialist, anti-family agenda.

This something I never understood: how could leaving the EU be perceived as leading to less globalism?

I quite understand the Brexit support by ultra-liberals: a low-tax country, freed of EU protective and social regulations, and relying on free trade agreements worldwide fits their ideology perfectly.

How could anyone think it could lead to less globalism, rather than more globalism?