USA income affidavit

[onera1961]

35 minutes ago, JLCrab said:

How long do you have to stay in US to get that done and do you do it by mail or in person. Please.

I have done only once. In my county, police report is walk in, walk-out. For doctor, you have to make an appointment. May be 7-day. By mail, it is not possible. May be somebody can try it. I will explore it next time around. But I like going to the USA once a year at least. Border hop is for avoiding reporting your address (with all its nuances for TM30 etc.) every 90-day.

Edited October 24, 2018 by onera1961

[Sheryl]

4 minutes ago, onera1961 said:

People can go back to their country of origin for medical treatment.

Not in an emergency or otherwise too ill to fly, they can't.

 

Foreigners stick here all the time with medical bills they cannot pay and without the means to pay for medi-evac (which is VERY expensive)

[Wake Up]

33 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

That is a key bit of info and answers some of the questions being raised by people in the Brit Embassy letter thread.

 

the big question is, do other Imm Offices around the country have the same understanding?

 

Also- did she indicate whether the 65 a month would have to be coming in from abroad?

She just said transfer of 65k a month would be acceptable. I did not quiz her on that as I will put 800 k in a Thai bank for next year. I basically listened and when she asked me if I knew about the USA embassy letters needing to be dated before January 1, 2019 and then no longer acceptable after the first 6 months of next year,  I said no I thought it was the British embassy but not USA embassy. 

[offset]

Wake up said

 

"She had some form that she checked off as she told me the information. She asked me what I would probably do next year and I said I would put 800 k in the Thai bank and she checked another box and then I waited for my passport back." 

 

Maybe they have a form to fill in for people that use the Embassy form after January so they can collate what most people are going to do so they can get an idea how to deal with the 65000 Baht system

 

It might be better to say you will leave Thailand that might scare them into doing something about it

[onera1961]

19 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

Why would anyone mind putting 1% of their cash into a Thai bank? 

Because Thailand is a police state and why I would I put my money in the bank of a police state?  

[marcusarelus]

6 minutes ago, onera1961 said:

I have done only once. In my county, police report is walk in, walk-out. For doctor, you have to make an appointment. May be 7-day. By mail, it is not possible. May be somebody can try it. I will explore it next time around. But I like going to the USA once a year at least. Border hop is for avoiding reporting police state's (Thailand) reporting of your address (with all its nuances for TM30 etc.) every three 90-day.

You stay in Thailand for a year and don't do a 90 day report? 

[Thaidream]

3 minutes ago, Wake Up said:

he just said transfer of 65k a month would be acceptable. I did not quiz her on that as I will put 800 k in a Thai bank for next year. I basically listened and when she asked me if I knew about the USA embassy letters needing to be dated before January 1, 2019 and then no longer acceptable after the first 6 months of next year,  I said no I thought it was the British embassy but not USA embassy. 

How would anyone know- yours is the first actual report of an American going to Thai Imm and having a conversation such as you had.  No info on  US Embassy website but it would not surprise me if Thai imm never told them.  What does an applicant do who gets an Embassy letter in Mar 2019 for an extension in August 2019  and when he gets to Thai Imm he is told sorry- not accept letters anymore?

 

By the way- thank you for posting your report on the forum.

[marcusarelus]

1 minute ago, onera1961 said:

Because Thailand is a police state and why I would I put my money in the bank of a police state?  

Thailand is not a police state.  It's in your mind.  I see far less police and have much less contact with the government than I did in the States. 

[onera1961]

Just now, marcusarelus said:

You stay in Thailand for a year and don't do a 90 day report? 

I already said I would do border hop to avoid reporting police state's demand of reporting every 90-day. 

[JLCrab]

8 minutes ago, onera1961 said:

I have done only once.

OK Thanks. I  am Florida boy so have to use the Washington DC Embassy which says for O-A

Processing time : (with completed documents)
In person   5 business days
By mail      minimum 15 business days

 

Which then becomes a bit of a logistics game either spending time back/forth to WDC or at least a month in USA via mail. But doable once every 2 years.

[marcusarelus]

Just now, onera1961 said:

I already said I would do border hop to avoid reporting police state's demand of reporting every 90-day. 

You do 4 border hops a year to avoid doing a 90 day report?

[wgdanson]

16 minutes ago, onera1961 said:

People can go back to their country of origin for medical treatment.

Not in UK if you do it legally.

[55Jay]

One fella in another thread a few days ago had just gotten his US Income Affidavit and said the Consular Officer told him there were on-going discussions about this with the Thai Immigration Bureau.  

 

Media/Social Media can foment these random, ripple type reactions, moreso given the Thai government still, to some degree, operates as provincial fiefdoms.  Be interesting to hear what, if anything, comes out of all this.

[Snow Leopard]

6 minutes ago, Thaidream said:

It's not= anymore= than bringing in money via an ATM machine and depositing it. As many others have stated- I have no intention of placing 800K in a Thai bank account in a lump sum when there are other  options available.  The law says evidence of income of 65K per month.  It doesn't really state what the source is. That's how agents  do what they do

You don't have to have 800K as I understand it. 65K per month or a combination of both income/money coming in and deposited funds. They will accept your Thai bank book as evidence. In fact, they will have to if your embassy won't give out a letter. How the hell else are you going to prove it? 

 

The only thing I see is that everyone will now need a Thai bank account. 

[onera1961]

1 minute ago, marcusarelus said:

Thailand is not a police state.  It's in your mind. 

Yes, when police can demand urine sample on the street, tries to track your every movement (by 90-day reporting which is not uniform across all immigration office), controls the Web, tries to monitor social media sites, bans e-cigarette, etc. etc. I can give many more examples, for me it is a police state.

[Snow Leopard]

40 minutes ago, Joe Mcseismic said:

Why not two Thai bank accounts?

Yes that is the key. But you could just transfer it via an exchange house

[Wake Up]

Surely another American on TVF will go to CW and use an embassy income letter for extension of stay. If yes please report if you have the same conference and see the form she fills out more clearly.  

[wgdanson]

21 minutes ago, Wilson Smith said:

is that these funds are forced to buy Baht

No they are not. You can keep them in a Foreign Currency Account in GBP or USD or Euro.

[pontious]

7 minutes ago, Thaidream said:

What does an applicant do who gets an Embassy letter in Mar 2019 for an extension in August 2019 

The OP says the Supervisor said letters dated BEFORE Jan 1st. 2019. After that date they will not be accepted.

Edited October 24, 2018 by pontious

[Kadilo]

2 minutes ago, onera1961 said:

Yes, when police can demand urine sample on the street, tries to track your every movement (by 90-day reporting which is not uniform across all immigration office), controls the Web, tries to monitor social media sites, bans e-cigarette, etc. etc. I can give many more examples, for me it is a police state.

Sounds like you’re really enjoying life here. 

[onera1961]

3 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

You do 4 border hops a year to avoid doing a 90 day report?

Yessssss. Just to stick it to police state's demand. If they had a smooth 90-day reporting across all immigration offices, I would have complied. Hey I am not responsible for TM30 but I will be fined in some offices when I go for 90-day reporting. 

[Snow Leopard]

38 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

The thing is, most of the people saying they do not need 65K a month/800K a year  to live here have no health insurance nor the necessary savings to pay for a major health care expense, and when asked about it say they can't afford health insurance.

 

Add in the cost of health insurance or true self-insuring (minimum 1 million readily accessible if using government hospitals only, 3-5 if using private, and able to replenish these amounts when/as used) and most people will find they do in fact need not much less than 65K/month.

 

I think what we actually have is people trying to retro fit the amount of money they have into living here and doing so by omitting any provision for health care. With often catastrophic results sooner or later.

I am not disagreeing with you. 

[blackhorse]

How would anyone know- yours is the first actual report of an American going to Thai Imm and having a conversation such as you had.  No info on  US Embassy website but it would not surprise me if Thai imm never told them.  What does an applicant do who gets an Embassy letter in Mar 2019 for an extension in August 2019  and when he gets to Thai Imm he is told sorry- not accept letters anymore?
 
By the way- thank you for posting your report on the forum.

Immigration would never put themselves in the position of having to face thousands hostile and confused expats demanding the simple question WHY were we not told WHY is there no announcement!!!

And then the same people would attack their ambassador with the same questions and not just the USA but oz and others.

This thread is a waste of time, just hear say But I bet it gets to a thousand posts

[Thaidream]

1 minute ago, pontious said:

The OP says the Supervisor said letters dated BEFORE Jan 1st. 2019.

Normally the letter is good for 6 months to date of extension application.  Unless the word is put out now- some people will not know what  has happened. Let's hope, if this is true, that Thai Imm will be flexible  the whole of 2019

[Wilson Smith]

6 minutes ago, wgdanson said:

No they are not. You can keep them in a Foreign Currency Account in GBP or USD or Euro.

Foreign currency accounts are a headache and costly if you attempt to use for any normal type of banking. (so I have been told). As well either way you are forced to use a Thai buniess that further helps the economy that people are currently not using.

Edited October 24, 2018 by Wilson Smith

[wgdanson]

12 minutes ago, Wilson Smith said:

Foreign currency accounts are a headache and costly if you attempt to use for any normal type of banking. (so I have been told)

Not true. Just like any other bank account except that when you transfer money from abroad you send it in GBP (or USD), and it stays there until YOU change it into Baht, via online banking into your savings account, as and when you need to, or the exchange rate is favourable. And Bkk Bank give a small interest on it.

Edited October 24, 2018 by wgdanson

[marcusarelus]

10 minutes ago, onera1961 said:

Yes, when police can demand urine sample on the street, tries to track your every movement (by 90-day reporting which is not uniform across all immigration office), controls the Web, tries to monitor social media sites, bans e-cigarette, etc. etc. I can give many more examples, for me it is a police state.

Have you ever been to Thailand?  1.  90 day reports by computer or mail in.  2. No web controls use a VPN. No social media controls, use a VPN.  It is obvious you have never visited Thailand.  Come and see for yourself.  You will be delightfully surprised.  Even the internet speed is quite a bit higher than the USA average and the only people who test your urine are at the hospital when you ask them to.  I get mine checked once a year.

Edited October 24, 2018 by marcusarelus

[wgdanson]

6 minutes ago, onera1961 said:

Yessssss. Just to stick it to police state's demand. If they had a smooth 90-day reporting across all immigration offices, I would have complied. Hey I am not responsible for TM30 but I will be fined in some offices when I go for 90-day reporting. 

Sorry, but yes, I think you would be better going home, wherever that may be.

[wgdanson]

14 minutes ago, Snow Leopard said:

They will accept your Thai bank book as evidence. In fact, they will have to if your embassy won't give out a letter. How the hell else are you going to prove it? 

They will NOT accept you bank book as evidence. That's what all these threads are about. How can you say that 'they will have to', you are in their country and THEY make the rules with which we have to comply. Most of us can and do.

[Wake Up]

12 minutes ago, blackhorse said:

Immigration would never put themselves in the position of having to face thousands hostile and confused expats demanding the simple question WHY were we not told WHY is there no announcement!!!

And then the same people would attack their ambassador with the same questions and not just the USA but oz and others.

This thread is a waste of time, just hear say But I bet it gets to a thousand posts
 

Was not a waste of time for me and that is why I posted my experience today. All I know is what I heard and was told.