Dentist recommendations in Pattaya? (need implant & crown)

[JamJar]

30 minutes ago, fhickson said:

i dont think you ever just need an implant unless the neighboring teeth are screwed (pun intended).

 

the tooth can be pulled and a bridge done. if your not given that option=likely scam. if you ask afterwards and they admit the option=likely scam.

 

wait until the dentist makes full recommendations, say nothing. then ask about alternatives, if they pony up with other options thats how you know they are trying to scam you.

 

Why do you insist on posting nonsense so definitively?

 

You would suggest damaging two healthy teeth, in so that you can place a false tooth in between?!

 

An implant means that you don't have to damage the teeth on either side.

How else, do you imagine, that they can place crowns on the healthy teeth? They need damage them, in so they can place crowns on them.

In addition, if either one of those teeth ever go bad, that's the bridge gone.

Get off this thread, you are dangerous!

[William Osborne]

On 10/10/2019 at 11:36 PM, BestB said:

Dental smile on 3 road always gets glowing reviews and lots of international patients. Not the cheapest but they seem to get it right. Dr Cherry is one who gets mentioned , good doctor and looks as good as cherry ????

Dr Aoy also practices there... ive had extensive work done on my top and bottom front teeth ( 10 crowns and 2 root canals)  and very professional

[philosphrstone]

I had an implant (upper molar) installed two years ago, and then crowned last year at a small clinic in Jomtien.  Thai Smile clinic by Dr Nan at Soi Welcome Jomtien.  He is excellent and although clinic is tiny, it was a great experience.  Very little pain and he did not try to do anything extra.  Price quoted was all-inclusive including panoramic x-rays.  He did his implant specialization at UCLA in the US. Implant itself was 30K and best quality zirconia crown was 14K.  There were cheaper options, but I think quality matters. 

[shdmn]

11 hours ago, philosphrstone said:

I had an implant (upper molar) installed two years ago, and then crowned last year at a small clinic in Jomtien.  Thai Smile clinic by Dr Nan at Soi Welcome Jomtien.  He is excellent and although clinic is tiny, it was a great experience.  Very little pain and he did not try to do anything extra.  Price quoted was all-inclusive including panoramic x-rays.  He did his implant specialization at UCLA in the US. Implant itself was 30K and best quality zirconia crown was 14K.  There were cheaper options, but I think quality matters. 

I have found that those US accreditations are over rated.  Usually just results in higher rates and more of an attitude.  But it varies a lot from dentist to dentist.  I think the Thai dental schools are very good but I'm no expert.

 

People should take dental reviews here with a grain of salt.  I have had negative reviews deleted.  You tend to only get the positive reviews (probably due to Thai defamation laws).  I have gone to a few places that had positive reviews here and had negative experiences.

[jacko45k]

11 hours ago, philosphrstone said:

There were cheaper options, but I think quality matters.

I had a crown replaced at another dentist as mine was out of the country. When she got back she chided me over spending too much money on an expensive crown. Not need in back of mouth she said! I have since wondered if, when the guys in the hospital morgue or undertakers are mooching in my mouth for gold to plier out, they might say, ' Ooooh, zirconia crown, impressive...I'll have that!'

[bkk6060]

2 hours ago, jacko45k said:

I had a crown replaced at another dentist as mine was out of the country. When she got back she chided me over spending too much money on an expensive crown. Not need in back of mouth she said! I have since wondered if, when the guys in the hospital morgue or undertakers are mooching in my mouth for gold to plier out, they might say, ' Ooooh, zirconia crown, impressive...I'll have that!'

There are cheap plastic insert options here for implants I have seen them.

But quality wise, I think dental is important to pay for the best option.

 

[bkk6060]

2 hours ago, shdmn said:

I have found that those US accreditations are over rated.  Usually just results in higher rates and more of an attitude.  But it varies a lot from dentist to dentist.  I think the Thai dental schools are very good but I'm no expert.

 

People should take dental reviews here with a grain of salt.  I have had negative reviews deleted.  You tend to only get the positive reviews (probably due to Thai defamation laws).  I have gone to a few places that had positive reviews here and had negative experiences.

Sure, it is like any other service oriented business there are good and bad experiences.

 

Also, I have never seen a negative review about a place or business deleted.  If you are speaking against the government, then possibly.

[Skallywag]

On 10/13/2019 at 9:04 AM, JamJar said:

 

Why do you insist on posting nonsense so definitively?

 

You would suggest damaging two healthy teeth, in so that you can place a false tooth in between?!

 

An implant means that you don't have to damage the teeth on either side.

How else, do you imagine, that they can place crowns on the healthy teeth? They need damage them, in so they can place crowns on them.

In addition, if either one of those teeth ever go bad, that's the bridge gone.

Get off this thread, you are dangerous!

I have 2 bridges, one 20 years old one 5 years old no problems.

 1/5 the cost of implants or less, some of us are not wealthy. 

Implants are not always recommended, take a minimum of 2 months, and can have problems as well.

"Studies show that without adequate osseo-integration (bone cells adhering to the implant) you may be facing an unpleasant surprise, if your new implant has not integrated properly.

There is another reason why installing dental bridges makes sense, and it’s directly related to a patient’s health condition and concerns. Some patients are not capable of undergoing implant or other larger surgical procedures due to cancer, diabetes, certain medications or auto-immune disease. Furthermore, because of your unique oral condition you may not want to engage in a complex bone reconstruction or implant surgery."  https://westcoastinternational.com/dental-bridge

[Skallywag]

Have been satisfied by dental work done at Dental Smile and Dental design center (before they moved to soi 10) 

But more than 4 years ago, so not recent experience

https://www.dentaldesignpattaya.com/

http://www.dentalsmilepattaya.com/

[shdmn]

18 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

Sure, it is like any other service oriented business there are good and bad experiences.

 

Also, I have never seen a negative review about a place or business deleted.  If you are speaking against the government, then possibly.

I am telling you from first hand experience that it happens here.  I have had at least 2 reviews deleted. Has nothing to do with the gov't.  Up to you if you don't want to believe it.

 

[sunnyboy2018]

BPH

[JamJar]

21 minutes ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

BPH

 

 

Why waste your time with such a post? It's doesn't take a genius to pay double for any given procedure. You don't even bother to recommend anyone in particular. So it could literally be anyone who books a space there.

[Jingthing]

On 10/13/2019 at 11:32 AM, William Osborne said:

Dr Aoy also practices there... ive had extensive work done on my top and bottom front teeth ( 10 crowns and 2 root canals)  and very professional

Dr. Boy or Dr. Gui? Or did Dr. Aoy leave? Who's on first?

http://www.dentalsmilepattaya.com/staff.html

Quote

 

Dr. Woradet Phichaiutkrit (Dr. Boy) : Advanced General Dentistry - Doctor of Dental SurgeryFaculty of Dentistry, Mahidol University - Master of Science in General Dentistry, Khon Kaen University

Dr. Chaichan Sangsirinakagul (Dr. Gui): Advanced General Dentistry - Doctor of Dental Surgery Faculty of Dentistry, Khon Kaen University - Master of Science in General Dentistry, Khon Kaen University

 

[jacko45k]

5 hours ago, shdmn said:

I am telling you from first hand experience that it happens here.  I have had at least 2 reviews deleted. Has nothing to do with the gov't.  Up to you if you don't want to believe it.

 

Of course people do not see something that has been deleted! Mostly one is unlikely to notice unless he is the poster. Negative reviews open people up to defamation suits here, they fear the truth!

[William Osborne]

7 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Dr. Boy or Dr. Gui? Or did Dr. Aoy leave? Who's on first?

http://www.dentalsmilepattaya.com/staff.html

Dr Aoy is still there, she did a molar root canal/post/crown for me  couple of months ago.

[jimn]

On 11/7/2018 at 10:25 AM, KittenKong said:

In my experience the small local clinics often omit the cost of the extras. Some dont even seem to have a panoramic Xray facility at all.

 

I needed a bone graft for one of my implants. Dr Paweenwan was aware of the probable need for this from the Xray before she started, and the extra cost was made clear. She did say that depending on what she found when actually doing the job, it might not even be needed.

 

Bottom line: I just like the idea of a highly experienced person doing my implants rather than some back-street dentist. Especially as the cost is similar.

Hi sorry I know its an old thread. Is this doctor still there do you know. I had an crown bridge snap 4 weeks ago and had to have the tooth extracted as there was nothing to re attach the crown too. Now waiting for it to heal, I have a 2 tooth gap. Ocean dental said it would cost between 36 and 56 k for a bridge. I would prefer one implant and a retainer. How does the cost compare? How much were your implants? Thanks

[Kerryd]

39 minutes ago, jimn said:

Hi sorry I know its an old thread. Is this doctor still there do you know. I had an crown bridge snap 4 weeks ago and had to have the tooth extracted as there was nothing to re attach the crown too. Now waiting for it to heal, I have a 2 tooth gap. Ocean dental said it would cost between 36 and 56 k for a bridge. I would prefer one implant and a retainer. How does the cost compare? How much were your implants? Thanks

Implants are expensive. I had a tooth break a couple months ago (one that was between 2 crowns). I had the option of doing an implant or going with a new crown. I went with the crown as it was about half the price of the implant (and I remember what I felt like after the first implants I had done).

I think it was about 21k (or 26) total. That was for the extraction of the old tooth, the temp crown and the permanent crown. He did such a good job on the temp crown he had trouble removing it both times. (After the extraction he put the temp in while the hole healed. Then took it off to make the impression for the permanent crown, put the temp back in, then removed it again a couple weeks later when the new crown was ready.)

Frik, it was easier for him to break the old tooth under the gum and extract it than it was to removed the temp crown. I was thinking I should just keep the temp crown but it wasn't shaped right (looked like I had an Orc tooth growing out of my lower jaw). Frikken thing was tough though.

[mahjongguy]

10 minutes ago, Kerryd said:

...it was easier for him to break the old tooth under the gum and extract it than it was to removed the temp crown.

I just had a molar go bad and the crown had to be removed to see what was happening underneath. It took her 40 minutes to get the crown off, and that included using a reverse hammer. It was decided that a root canal was unlikely to be a success. The three roots were very curved and overlapping. So the oral surgeon broke them out and cleaned it up, stitched it. Only 35 minutes, and not nearly as rough.

[Yellowtail]

3 hours ago, Kerryd said:

Implants are expensive. I had a tooth break a couple months ago (one that was between 2 crowns). I had the option of doing an implant or going with a new crown. I went with the crown as it was about half the price of the implant (and I remember what I felt like after the first implants I had done).

I think it was about 21k (or 26) total. That was for the extraction of the old tooth, the temp crown and the permanent crown. He did such a good job on the temp crown he had trouble removing it both times. (After the extraction he put the temp in while the hole healed. Then took it off to make the impression for the permanent crown, put the temp back in, then removed it again a couple weeks later when the new crown was ready.)

Frik, it was easier for him to break the old tooth under the gum and extract it than it was to removed the temp crown. I was thinking I should just keep the temp crown but it wasn't shaped right (looked like I had an Orc tooth growing out of my lower jaw). Frikken thing was tough though.

 

How does a crown work on an extracted tooth? Am I missing something?

[Eindhoven]

6 hours ago, jimn said:

Hi sorry I know its an old thread. Is this doctor still there do you know. I had an crown bridge snap 4 weeks ago and had to have the tooth extracted as there was nothing to re attach the crown too. Now waiting for it to heal, I have a 2 tooth gap. Ocean dental said it would cost between 36 and 56 k for a bridge. I would prefer one implant and a retainer. How does the cost compare? How much were your implants? Thanks

 

Yes she is still there. Implant and crown costs 45k baht. If you want a ceramic crown(recommended) it costs a bit more.

[Yellowtail]

14 hours ago, jimn said:

Hi sorry I know its an old thread. Is this doctor still there do you know. I had an crown bridge snap 4 weeks ago and had to have the tooth extracted as there was nothing to re attach the crown too. Now waiting for it to heal, I have a 2 tooth gap. Ocean dental said it would cost between 36 and 56 k for a bridge. I would prefer one implant and a retainer. How does the cost compare? How much were your implants? Thanks

 

So it was a bridge using only one tooth with one prosthetic tooth beside it, and not a bridge using two teeth with a prosthetic tooth in the middle, correct?

 

Your plan is to replace the actual tooth you just lost with an implant, and to then replace the prosthetic tooth with a partial denture, it hat correct? 

 

I have several implants and a bridge, and I like the implants much better. I've also had a couple partial dentures and they're certainly better than nothing but do take a little getting used to.

[Kerryd]

10 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

 

How does a crown work on an extracted tooth? Am I missing something?

Not sure. I don't see/feel a gap where the old tooth was. It looks like they put an artificial tooth where the old one used to be. The artificial one extends below the gum line (took awhile for the gums to regrow over the bottom) but it didn't go into the hole where the old tooth was (as that had been sutured and healed over). At least I don't think so. I was trying not to think about what he was doing in there and just wanted it to be over with as fast as possible.
(He was doing a fine job but I really don't like dentists. Not since I was a kid.)

[jimn]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

 

So it was a bridge using only one tooth with one prosthetic tooth beside it, and not a bridge using two teeth with a prosthetic tooth in the middle, correct?

 

Your plan is to replace the actual tooth you just lost with an implant, and to then replace the prosthetic tooth with a partial denture, it hat correct? 

 

I have several implants and a bridge, and I like the implants much better. I've also had a couple partial dentures and they're certainly better than nothing but do take a little getting used to.

Thank you. I do not know the correct terminology. What I lost was a tooth that was crowned with a prosthetic tooth attached, if that is the word, making a bridge. The tooth that was crowed broke and the dentist was forced to removed the tooth holding the crown because he was unable to re attach. He could only extract the tooth, now I have a gap of 2 teeth. 

I was thinking of a implant for one tooth with a prosthetic tooth attached to the implant that would fill the 2 tooth gap. I want a permanent fixture something that I have to remove. I hope I have explaine myself properly.

[Kerryd]

Well, there are probably as many recommendations as there are dentists in the city. It seems pretty much everyone has been to a different place and recommends it to everyone else.

I would suggest finding a spot that isn't on a main road in a "touristy" area. For example, I'd avoid the slew of dentists along South Pattaya Road around the TukCom area. I went to one there once on the recommendation of my Thai friends many years ago. 
Great job. Had a root canal and a filling done for about 2,500 baht.
Went back a few months later to see about doing some implants and the place was under new ownership and the prices had jumped to "Farang" prices (i.e. about 10 times what they had been). 

I went to a place on Soi Khao Noi instead. Bigger place but not as busy and the prices were the same for Thais and foreigners. I go back there now because the service is good and it's much closer to home (which is a plus when you get out of the chair with half your face numb and drool dribbling down your chin).

There are probably a number of places close to wherever you are. Doesn't hurt to pop in and just ask what they charge for implants. Would give you an idea as to the cost and an impression of the place (how busy it is, how clean it is, etc).

[mahjongguy]

I've only had one implant so far. Had it done at Bangkok Hospital Pattaya. I chose a South Korean device that was not the cheapest but closer to the bottom than the top of the price range. The package price was 57,000 baht. That included the implant and the ceramic-covered gold tooth. The 3D scan was charged separately but everything else was included. Everything. 

 

This was in a full-service hospital. One specialist does the drilling, insertion, and care. Another does the crown. Every dental specialist is nearby and available for consultation if things get tricky.

 

If I go to some shophouse I might save 10,000 baht, but only if there are no surprise charges added. 

 

My implant took place over 5 or 6 months, partly due to my age but for anyone going slowly is the only way to assure a successful implant. Don't let yourself be persuaded otherwise. Remember: whoever you choose is going to be drilling a hole in your head.

[Kerryd]

1 hour ago, mahjongguy said:

My implant took place over 5 or 6 months, partly due to my age but for anyone going slowly is the only way to assure a successful implant. Don't let yourself be persuaded otherwise. Remember: whoever you choose is going to be drilling a hole in your head.

Indeed. A friend of mine inquired about implants and after a quick examination, the doctor noted he would need bone graphs in his jaw to strengthen it. Otherwise the jaw would likely break when the implant was ratcheted in.
So they'd have to harvest bone (from the hip I believe), cut open the jaw (in a couple places), attached the bone, sew it up and leave it for a couple months. (Basically the body would treat it like a break and heal it, stronger than before.)

Needless to say, it isn't an easy procedure. I was lucky, I didn't need bone graphs when I had mine done around 12 years ago. Still wasn't easy. 

However, once it's done and you've recovered, it's great. I was lucky (again) that I didn't have any issues with pain afterwards (never took any of the pain pills they gave me). Almost wish I'd done the top as well.

Thinking back now, I think I paid around 90,000 in total for the 2 implants, from start to finish including x-rays, novocaine and all the other charges. I remember kicking myself in the butt as I paid for it all myself and then months later found out I could have claimed it against the company medical plan.

(And of course, had I known I could have done that, I may well have had a couple more implants done as well. Gone full Terminator with the teeth.) 
 

[Eindhoven]

2 hours ago, Kerryd said:

Well, there are probably as many recommendations as there are dentists in the city. It seems pretty much everyone has been to a different place and recommends it to everyone else.

I would suggest finding a spot that isn't on a main road in a "touristy" area. For example, I'd avoid the slew of dentists along South Pattaya Road around the TukCom area. I went to one there once on the recommendation of my Thai friends many years ago. 
Great job. Had a root canal and a filling done for about 2,500 baht.
Went back a few months later to see about doing some implants and the place was under new ownership and the prices had jumped to "Farang" prices (i.e. about 10 times what they had been). 

I went to a place on Soi Khao Noi instead. Bigger place but not as busy and the prices were the same for Thais and foreigners. I go back there now because the service is good and it's much closer to home (which is a plus when you get out of the chair with half your face numb and drool dribbling down your chin).

There are probably a number of places close to wherever you are. Doesn't hurt to pop in and just ask what they charge for implants. Would give you an idea as to the cost and an impression of the place (how busy it is, how clean it is, etc).

 

He already has the top recommendation. The best dentist/oral surgeons around here know each other. Plus of course they have all of the needed facilities at the hospital. 

[Eindhoven]

1 hour ago, mahjongguy said:

I've only had one implant so far. Had it done at Bangkok Hospital Pattaya. I chose a South Korean device that was not the cheapest but closer to the bottom than the top of the price range. The package price was 57,000 baht. That included the implant and the ceramic-covered gold tooth. The 3D scan was charged separately but everything else was included. Everything. 

 

This was in a full-service hospital. One specialist does the drilling, insertion, and care. Another does the crown. Every dental specialist is nearby and available for consultation if things get tricky.

 

If I go to some shophouse I might save 10,000 baht, but only if there are no surprise charges added. 

 

My implant took place over 5 or 6 months, partly due to my age but for anyone going slowly is the only way to assure a successful implant. Don't let yourself be persuaded otherwise. Remember: whoever you choose is going to be drilling a hole in your head.

 

You don't/didn't need to go to a shophouse to save 10,000 baht. You just needed to travel a bit further to Sri Racha. The ceramic/porcelain bonded crown is actually the cheap option and more prone to damage. Better to have a solid one piece crown. 

You don't always get the best quality by paying more. Sometimes you are paying for the location and prestige of going to the most expensive place. It doesn't mean that you are getting better treatment.

The hospitals are in the same group.

 

[Yellowtail]

5 hours ago, jimn said:

Thank you. I do not know the correct terminology. What I lost was a tooth that was crowned with a prosthetic tooth attached, if that is the word, making a bridge. The tooth that was crowed broke and the dentist was forced to removed the tooth holding the crown because he was unable to re attach. He could only extract the tooth, now I have a gap of 2 teeth. 

I was thinking of a implant for one tooth with a prosthetic tooth attached to the implant that would fill the 2 tooth gap. I want a permanent fixture something that I have to remove. I hope I have explaine myself properly.

 

I am not sure they will do bridge using one implant without crowning another existing tooth, you can ask.

 

Were it me, I would go with two implants. If I was short on dough, I would replace the recently extracted tooth with an implant as soon as possible (I don't think you want the hole to fill in) and get a cheap partial denture until I had the money for the second implant.

 

I would absolutely not get a bridge using the new implant and an existing healthy tooth.  

[Yellowtail]

2 hours ago, Eindhoven said:

 

You don't/didn't need to go to a shophouse to save 10,000 baht. You just needed to travel a bit further to Sri Racha. The ceramic/porcelain bonded crown is actually the cheap option and more prone to damage. Better to have a solid one piece crown. 

You don't always get the best quality by paying more. Sometimes you are paying for the location and prestige of going to the most expensive place. It doesn't mean that you are getting better treatment.

The hospitals are in the same group.

 

 

I agree with most everything you say, except your claim that gold is the cheapest option. Are there more expensive options? Absolutely, but most options are cheaper. Cosmetics aside, I do not believe there is any better material than gold for crowns.