Skilled foreign workers needed in Thailand

[NanLaew]

11 hours ago, Fex Bluse said:

So, can anyone, please, kindly note at least 2 recent Thai innovations - adopted outside Thailand in some industrial capacity? Nobody can because Thailand doesn't produce the people who can innovate on a global scale. That's the point of the article. 

Here's one for starters.

 

I have also met with these guys and they are way, way ahead in their field and will be taking this overseas soon.

 

John Logie Baird invented the television, Alexander Graham Bell invented the telephone and Joseph Lister pioneered antiseptic surgery. What's all this fuss about innovating in an 'industrial capacity' as being some sort of benchmark for global recognition?

[CLW]

Here's one for starters.
 
I have also met with these guys and they are way, way ahead in their field and will be taking this overseas soon.
 
John Logie Baird invented the television, Alexander Graham Bell invented the telephone and Joseph Lister pioneered antiseptic surgery. What's all this fuss about innovating in an 'industrial capacity' as being some sort of benchmark for global recognition?

Sorry to burst your bubble but the first one is a paid advertising from the BOT and being agriculture my field of work I can tell you that these are only nice words written but have not much to do with the reality.

And the Artemia company from the second link is nothing new. This principle is known since decades.

[NanLaew]

32 minutes ago, CLW said:

Sorry to burst your bubble but the first one is a paid advertising from the BOT and being agriculture my field of work I can tell you that these are only nice words written but have not much to do with the reality.

And the Artemia company from the second link is nothing new. This principle is known since decades.

 

"...and being agriculture my field of work..."

 

Yes, yes, I know what you mean but sounds more like (just) another Walter Mitty wallowing in his own pit of mediocrity in Thailand while suggesting he's in touch with 'reality'.

 

"...principle is known since decades..."

 

Whew! Thank goodness for that. For a moment I thought you were going to be really clever and point out that the undeniably innovative owners aren't even Thai.

 

You couldn't burst my bubble even if I had one.

[CLW]

 
"...and being agriculture my field of work..."
 
Yes, yes, I know what you mean but sounds more like (just) another Walter Mitty wallowing in his own pit of mediocrity in Thailand while suggesting he's in touch with 'reality'.
 
"...principle is known since decades..."
 
Whew! Thank goodness for that. For a moment I thought you were going to be really clever and point out that the undeniably innovative owners aren't even Thai.
 
You couldn't burst my bubble even if I had one.

I think Thai can do certain occupations and processes quite well. They should focus and strengthen this fields rather than want to be number one of everything.
They need to understand that not everything has to be made in Thailand.
Just import and adapt foreign knowledge. That is not a shame.
My home country Germany can produce great cars and engineering solutions yet we were never been able to produce any microchips such as memory, CPUs etc or even phones.
We just import them and that's fine.
Or for cars, the German producers clearly lost pace with the development of electric cars and components. They will come from China.

[ericthai]

20 hours ago, Fex Bluse said:

If that is the case, then can you give examples of Thai innovation in the areas you've worked? Any examples of Thai innovative technology adopted outside Thailand? 

 

"Thailand needs around 2.3 million more skilled employees to work in innovative and technological industries, robotics, and the health and food industries. "

My response was to poster "vacuum" who stated there are no skilled workers in Thailand.  Youre changing from Skilled workers to Innovations from Thailand.  I dont know of any. My point is Thailand has skilled labor.  I bet 90% on this forum cant run a CNC machine. You cant just pull a guy from a farm or forum and put him in a factory to operate equipment. This is skilled labor. 

[Fex Bluse]

4 hours ago, ericthai said:

My response was to poster "vacuum" who stated there are no skilled workers in Thailand.  Youre changing from Skilled workers to Innovations from Thailand.  I dont know of any. My point is Thailand has skilled labor.  I bet 90% on this forum cant run a CNC machine. You cant just pull a guy from a farm or forum and put him in a factory to operate equipment. This is skilled labor. 

I understand. Plenty of skilled labor in Thailand. Almost all of it taught by the Americans and Japanese companies who have brought Thailand out of the jungles. The local Thais who work for Thai companies without foreign influence cannot put together 2 pieces of pipe without it leaking. Not skilled. 

 

Huge difference though going from being able to follow directions for what buttons to press on a machine to inventing a machine as I'm sure most here know. 

[HalfLight]

On 11/24/2018 at 11:00 AM, spidermike007 said:

What the country needs first and foremost, is a skilled administration, to run it. That would be a great start. And it needs far less nationalism. With an open mind, the nation would be able to see that it needs skilled foreign labor. Nearly every Japanese, Chinese and American factory in Thailand has skilled foreign labor managing it. Without them, they would cease to exist, or at the least, cease to create high quality products, that they currently manufacture. It is about quality control every step of the way. Nearly every five star hotel in Thailand has a foreign GM. Without them, you could not get the service one expects when paying real money for a hotel. Sorry to say, but fewer Thais have pride in craftsmanship, and a job well done, than foreigners. I do not think that is my opinion. I think most would agree that is a fact. And foreign workers and managers think about the future. A job well done, is a job worth doing. And it means continued patronage. 

 

Lastly, with the exception of perhaps a hundred or so teachers in Thailand, this country desperately needs more foreign teachers, to teach English. Most would agree the Burmese are better at building than the Thais. And better at carpentry too. And they work harder.

 

So grow up. Get smart. Be wise. Stop deflecting and making up lies. Make both the visa process and the work permit process simpler. Reward people for coming here to work, instead of penalizing them! 

 

Amen. And for as long as the powers that be only seek to bolster their self-image instead of getting on with the job the Thai people pay them to do, it will remain the same.

 

In Thailand, as in some other undeveloped countries, bureaucracy and red tape are only there to demonstrate power. For as long as boosting self-esteem remains the major objective, Thailand will remain a developing country. Suits me, prices are low, though not as low as they used to be... younger ex-pats will just wander off to better places, not really an option for me. Sadly.

 

But it is a bit like dealing with perpetual children, they never seem to grow beyond about 12 years old and once you strip out the ego, there's pretty much bugger all left  ̶e̶x̶c̶e̶p̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶e̶d̶u̶c̶a̶t̶i̶o̶n̶.

 

 

[fruitman]

On 11/23/2018 at 3:22 PM, Vacuum said:

To put it harsh; they have no skilled workers.

No i don't agree, i had some very nice ramen soup from Hachiban69 today....really good! I hope it was made by a Thai person.

[Cake Monster]

On 11/23/2018 at 5:59 PM, Fex Bluse said:

Who will train the Thai trainers? 

My point exactly

[HalfLight]

3 hours ago, fruitman said:

No i don't agree, i had some very nice ramen soup from Hachiban69 today....really good! I hope it was made by a Thai person.

 

Great. A soup-led transformation. That'll work.

 

 

[NanLaew]

On 11/25/2018 at 10:57 PM, Fex Bluse said:

... Almost all of it taught by the Americans and Japanese companies who have brought Thailand out of the jungles. ...

Most preposterous allusion to the benefits wrought of industrial imperialism quote of the day award goes to...

[FritsSikkink]

On ‎11‎/‎23‎/‎2018 at 2:58 PM, somtumwrong said:

The salary level would be 200-300 / month for my skills there, I think MAX. In the 'west' I earn well north of 1 million. Why would I move to Thailand? Sun, beaches, cheap life? Easier to work on NON-IMM-O online, and travel frequently back to my home country to meet the customers.

 

 

Of course it is easier to illegally work here and don't pay the owned taxes.

[Fex Bluse]

5 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Most preposterous allusion to the benefits wrought of industrial imperialism quote of the day award goes to...

Saualii na. I not unDERsatan youuu. 

 

Pratheet Yipoon, Pratheet Amelikaa no impact mai khrap? 

[NanLaew]

2 hours ago, Fex Bluse said:

Saualii na. I not unDERsatan youuu. 

 

Pratheet Yipoon, Pratheet Amelikaa no impact mai khrap? 

google facile generalizations

 

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[NanLaew]

On 11/25/2018 at 4:12 PM, CLW said:

I think Thai can do certain occupations and processes quite well. They should focus and strengthen this fields rather than want to be number one of everything.
They need to understand that not everything has to be made in Thailand.
Just import and adapt foreign knowledge. That is not a shame.
My home country Germany can produce great cars and engineering solutions yet we were never been able to produce any microchips such as memory, CPUs etc or even phones.
We just import them and that's fine.
Or for cars, the German producers clearly lost pace with the development of electric cars and components. They will come from China.

Thai companies and Thai people are already doing many things very well. If they need foreigners to further improve these capabilities, then why are so many here so upset that they openly and repeatedly admit to this? Regardless of the cumulative days 'living' in Thailand, those retired here or having a Thai wife/family here or simply being the perpetual holidaymaker here is not really a qualification for a job here.

 

I think that most Thai people with a reasonable education... and that's a the vast majority of them, are already aware that 'not everything has to be made in Thailand'. They've been importing and and adapting foreign knowledge for decades already.

 

Building quality cars, possessing advanced engineering abilities or leading-edge IT hardware excellence, even when taken individually, hasn't made any single nation preeminent.

 

European (and not necessarily just German) car manufacturers were still riding the diesel boom while China, greatly enabled by having access to some of the raw ingredients of electrical energy storage technology moved ahead. However, it's not a burgeoning need for Eco-friendly vehicles in China that is filling their bank accounts.

[Bartmam]

 

What she wants to say is that they wish to replicate the China method, stealing and forcing tech transfer and to then kick the nasty farang out as quickly as possible. 

China isn't anything like that. Yes they do follow you around like lap dogs but there is certainly no forced transfer of information. I have been making a living as an automation Engineer in China for several years and would also be happy to do the same in Thailand as I now live there. You will always need specialist Engineers for certain equipment.

[Fex Bluse]

3 hours ago, Bartmam said:

there is certainly no forced transfer of information

Please let the US, EU and Australian heads of government and industry know that based on your experience... 

3 hours ago, Bartmam said:

making a living as an automation Engineer in China for several years 

... there is no reason for them to worry and that they can discontinue their investigations. 

 

Please also let the Chinese know they need to update their written national policy to remove the language on forced technology transfers. 

[HalfLight]

On 11/25/2018 at 10:10 PM, NanLaew said:

Here's one for starters.

 

I have also met with these guys and they are way, way ahead in their field and will be taking this overseas soon.

 

John Logie Baird invented the television, Alexander Graham Bell invented the telephone and Joseph Lister pioneered antiseptic surgery. What's all this fuss about innovating in an 'industrial capacity' as being some sort of benchmark for global recognition?

 

Had a look at the link you provided. Interesting massacre of the English Language, but no sign of any innovation. I bet they sink without trace. The bottom of the Thai pond is quite crowded.

 

Not an employee or consultant to this crowd are you? If so, a disclaimer might have been appropriate.