CGW Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, stanleycoin said: For the above to work you need a Police force with:- Not going to happen is it! ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 5 hours ago, graemeaylward said: Speeding does not cause accidents! Being unable to control a vehicle travelling at speed could lead to an accident. Thais seem unable to adjust their driving to the prevailing conditions and have little or no regard for what is going on around them! There are no excuses! Proper driving tests (on roads), police enforcement of laws, every day of the year, confiscation and crushing of all vehicles driven by those without licences or insurance, may, just may cut the carnage! Sent from my Lenovo A3000-H using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app "Speeding does not cause accidents!". Wrong! Speeding does cause accidents, far too many speed limits are broken all the time. IMO, the biggest cause of road "accidents" is the very bad lack of common sense, along with drunk driving and the lack of police enforcement of the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 4 hours ago, mikebell said: So all that police overtime has been wasted? Not really, they will spend it collecting tea money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keemapoot Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 1 hour ago, SABloke said: Total BS. RTP don't patrol and don't stop people driving dangerously on the road, so how did they grab 20,000 in one day. I think it is more likely that at checkpoints around the country they stopped 20,000 bikes and fined them for reckless driving i.e. not driving in the left lane whilst approaching the checkpoint. yup. Exactly. I just came back from an errand and passed through a checkpoint where one copy was wheeling a guy's motorbike into a side lane while the rider was flailing his arms around and protesting. They had obviously just impounded his bike and he was on his way to the cooler I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 3 hours ago, PEE TEE said: It might help a little if they were told why mirrors are fitted to vehicles and indicators. But then i doubt it In a country where there is very little common sense, of which is hereditary, the majority of Thais will never have it on the roads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattaya28 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 This report, like all the others, gives loads and loads and loads of stats, but is meaningless. These stats are plucked straight out of a monkeys bottom and are meaningless. Pages and pages of meaningless numbers. Passing the blame in all directions is hilarious. And ...... the death toll is rising and rising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Pedrogaz said: What is needed to reduce road deaths generally is a change in societal values. Much like what happened with drinking and driving in the West there was a strong vocal lobby for harsher sentences for DD and a stress on the dam that was done to innocent families. In the 60s and 70s many people drove drunk in the UK and there was sympathy for drunk drivers when they got caught. By the time the 90s and 2000s rolled around drink driving had become totally socially unacceptable and there is no sympathy for anyone caught. Here is it socially acceptable to behave stupidly on the roads potentially causing death and injury to other innocent road-users and pedestrians. While it is socially acceptable in Thailand to drive without a licence; to drive drunk; to text or watch u-tube while driving; etc etc then the carnage on the roads will continue. Most accidents happen to motorcyclists. Most junior motorcyclists are poor and cannot afford driving lessons, helmets or even the fee for a licence. When they can afford them they have been driving for years already and don't consider such things to be needed, and they spend the money on booze and drive drunk. If the police actually enforced the laws then most of the poorer people would be unable to move around at all and would be marooned in their villages with no jobs. What would they do? There would either be an insurrection or they would all move to Bangkok making it the biggest slum on earth. There is no easy fix here. The only way to start attacking the problem is with the young. I see in my town every day police escorting children out of school....all too young to drive they are 3 and 4 on the bike with no helmets, no licences, and probably no brakes. The police wave them on by (because they have no money to pay the inevitable bribe). How and why would these kids learn to drive properly? Until we can answer this question the problem of dreadful driving in Thailand will remain a problem. As a start how about schools stopping any children from parking bikes on school property unless they have licences and helmets? Then how about some educational programs in schools teaching kids to drive properly? Nothing else is going to work in my opinion. Calling Thais stupid or brain dead actually doesn't help....and only generates an anti-farang atmosphere. Draconian punishment for offenders will only generate sympathy for the offenders by their loved ones and at the moment, fattens the wallets of the police higher-ups with their share of the bribes. Cannot disagree with anything you have said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 1 hour ago, stropper said: absolutely spot on, renewed my 5 year licence, had to watch a totally useless movie, and no english sub titles, useless, no training You should not need training after driving here for more than five years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wvavin Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Funeral service agents are frantically taking in more stocks to bang in for the increase of sales during New Year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsamui Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 As with the TAT statistics, these police accident numbers are completely and utterly fake. Even the police are having a good laugh about them - on Samui any way! I have a good friend in the police here. On Samui there is one main police office and 12 sub stations around the island. Even on a small island like Samui, my policeman chum tells me that they cannot collect, collate and analyse the accidents, deaths and injuries in just one day. And as to the national accident figures now being issued for each of the Deadly Days, they are just made up - estimates based on whatever info comes in - even the Thai police know it and were quite open about it - there is simply NO way that the country is so well organised and efficient to collect an analyse the multi-thousands of reports, from every police station and every Rescue standby point all over Thailand - AFTER JUST ONE SINGLE DAY! This makes complete sense but puzzles me. Because if the TAT can fake their tourist numbers to get better results every time, why can't the road deaths get lower each year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny49r Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 9 hours ago, webfact said: “seven dangerous days” Maybe they should call it the 365 dangerous days to remind people that it's never safe to venture out onto the highways. And a special thanks to Thai officials everywhere for keeping Thailand stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 7 hours ago, YetAnother said: thais weren't ready for ............ anything!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 1 hour ago, possum1931 said: educational programs in schools schools are there to enforce the hierarchy nothing else....march up and down and bow down to the higher ups.....everyday.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiChakayan Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 34 minutes ago, robsamui said: As with the TAT statistics, these police accident numbers are completely and utterly fake. Even the police are having a good laugh about them - on Samui any way! I have a good friend in the police here. On Samui there is one main police office and 12 sub stations around the island. Even on a small island like Samui, my policeman chum tells me that they cannot collect, collate and analyse the accidents, deaths and injuries in just one day. And as to the national accident figures now being issued for each of the Deadly Days, they are just made up - estimates based on whatever info comes in - even the Thai police know it and were quite open about it - there is simply NO way that the country is so well organised and efficient to collect an analyse the multi-thousands of reports, from every police station and every Rescue standby point all over Thailand - AFTER JUST ONE SINGLE DAY! This makes complete sense but puzzles me. Because if the TAT can fake their tourist numbers to get better results every time, why can't the road deaths get lower each year? Thailand is corrupt and the Thais are perfectly unable to understand the significance of numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chongalulu Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 7 hours ago, Lungstib said: I have tried for years to understand what goes on in Thai drivers heads but have failed to get any reasonable answers. How people think they are 'entitled' to drive without a licence, without training, at high speeds and with excessive alcohol remains beyond me. They could be in a war and losing less lives. Its a strange society where the politicians, police, fellow citizens, and worst of all themselves see no problem in this continued behaviour and encourage their children to do the same. I’ll tell you what’s going on in their heads...little of any consequence. They have virtually no anticipation or hazard perception skills. That’s why their helmets are virtually useless 200 baht buckets. Cheap helmets for cheap heads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacuum Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 26 minutes ago, kannot said: schools are there to enforce the hierarchy nothing else....march up and down and bow down to the higher ups.....everyday.... And this is one thing the students learned very well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cake Monster Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 If 60,000 + drivers were caught drink driving in just 3 days, what is the true number of drink drivers assuming that the plod have only 10% or less of them. Absolutely mind blowing to think that there are about 200,000 drivers over the limit on any one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 1 hour ago, kannot said: schools are there to enforce the hierarchy nothing else....march up and down and bow down to the higher ups.....everyday.... Did I say anything about educational programs in schools? Must be a mistake somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 7 hours ago, edwinchester said: "......Colonel Sirichan Nga-thong said action had already been taken against 60,492 drunk drivers." That is an absolutely astonishing figure in only three days and just goes to show a huge number of drivers here really don't give a shit. What's astonishing is the in-action taken against 60,492 drunk drivers!!! They should be held in a detention centre until a court hearing is convened to put them behind bars for 3 months, vehicle crushed & 50,000 baht fine minimum!! Time the message got tough... I read they'd tagged 9 offenders & confined them to home from 10pm to 4am.. that's just plain laughable ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsamui Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 5 hours ago, bowerboy said: How can anyone believe anything that comes out of these people’s mouths? This is just utter BS. The above statistic would mean action had been taken against 14 people per minute for every single minute of the last 3 days...utter nonsense. On the drive from Pattaya to Koh Chang and back not a single police car or police presence was seen in either direction and so just right there is a huge swathe of population you can remove which makes the above stats even more absurd. Also the roads were full of trucks as usual despite authorities saying they would be banned for the 7 days. As with the TAT statistics, these police accident numbers are completely and utterly fake. Even the police are having a good laugh about them - on Samui any way! I have a good friend in the police here. On Samui there is one main police office and 12 sub stations around the island. Even on a small island like Samui, my policeman chum tells me that they cannot collect, collate and analyse the accidents, deaths and injuries in just one day. And as to the national accident figures now being issued for each of the Deadly Days, they are just made up - estimates based on whatever info comes in - even the Thai police know it and were quite open about it - there is simply NO way that the country is so well organised and efficient to collect an analyse the multi-thousands of reports, from every police station and every Rescue standby point all over Thailand - AFTER JUST ONE SINGLE DAY! This makes complete sense but puzzles me. Because if the TAT can fake their tourist numbers to get better results every time, why can't the road deaths get lower each year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerkinsCuthbert Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 This won't help the TaT: "Almost 200 die in three days on Thailand's roads as holiday carnage returns" "Last week a Chinese blogger visiting Thailand described how she had to have her left arm amputated after the car she was travelling in crashed into a tree. Her story sparked debate on Chinese social media about how safe Thailand was to visit during the new year period." https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/31/almost-200-die-in-three-days-on-thailands-roads-as-holiday-carnage-returns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imkah Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 8 hours ago, ChipButty said: Sad that road user's cannot make an attempt to improve their driving skills and be less arrogant and try to avoid an accident I agree, but the blame is not entirely on the drivers, hopefully in the future it will be: when they have been taught what happens even w 2 slow vehickles meeting front to front etc allready in grade school, when there are strict rules for obtaining a license and when the powers that be enforce the rules. Untill then: I’m staying put in Aran till the 3rd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazes Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 It's no good slagging the Thais for not being like Germany etc. Just as most of the people on ThaiVisa are the products of Judaeo-Christian civilization which has bestowed on most of us a modicum of sanity and logical thinking (admittedly over more than 500 years), so most of the people on the roads of Thailand are Buddhists (in name at least). This religion, for the time being, has a strong hold on the minds of Thai people and so they think and act as the religion lays down. That is, you live only in this moment. So if you die today, no problem -- you will be back tomorrow in some other state of existence. So why bother worrying about what MIGHT happen to you on the roads while driving....mai pen rai, you will soon be back to take up where you left off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambum Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 "to remind all road users to be careful and avoid accidents", Obviously lost in translation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniggie Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 This has appeared on the Guardian UK newspaper website. According to their report 42649 drivers/riders have been arrested for no driving licence! Doesn't say how many were allowed to continue their journey following payment of a small consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcopops Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 "“Drunk drivers caused 40 per cent of road accidents on Saturday,” - this is the kind of comment that brings the whole exercise into question - To attribute "blame" in accidents is a legal matter that takes time months of research etc and is not actually part of road safety. No country road safety organization gets involved in the "blame game" - the usual expression convening ETIs is "alcohol is involved" = this means that someone, driver or drivers or ee passengers were tested and found to have alcohol at the time of the crash. to attempt to say more at short notice is unscientific and shows that those involved don't actually understand the issues they are dealing with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gracas Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 I believe that Thais just do not care or are not interested in Road Safety, Driving skills or Drunk driving. There is very little to promote road safety and drunk driver awareness in the media because of this. However in the last couple of days there has been two news segments which have featured elephants walking on the roads. Long video clips and featured several times during the course of the day. This is what Thais are interested in. Now if you could get an elephant drunk, put him in a car and let him drive causing an accident, Thais would watch this and comment on how bad it was. Other than that they just don't care, so good luck educating them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcnx Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 12 hours ago, edwinchester said: "......Colonel Sirichan Nga-thong said action had already been taken against 60,492 drunk drivers." That is an absolutely astonishing figure in only three days and just goes to show a huge number of drivers here really don't give a shit. I don’t believe that number any more than I believe BigJokes’s arrest and deportation numbers. All talk, as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 12 hours ago, edwinchester said: "......Colonel Sirichan Nga-thong said action had already been taken against 60,492 drunk drivers." That is an absolutely astonishing figure in only three days and just goes to show a huge number of drivers here really don't give a shit. What's astonishing is the in-action taken against 60,492 drunk drivers!!! They should be held in a detention centre until a court hearing is convened to put them behind bars for 3 months, vehicle crushed & 50,000 baht fine minimum!! Time the message got tough... I read they'd tagged 9 offenders & confined them to home from 10pm to 4am.. that's just plain laughable ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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