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28 minutes ago, whatsupdoc said:

As a non-Brit I find it highly fascinating to see a country (that I always respected) making such a mess and inflicting so much damage upon itself. It is baffling and despite the seriousness of the matter, in a certain sense, highly entertaining.

 

Unfortunately the effects of this whole fiasco will not only be felt in the UK but outside of it as well (Ireland, the Netherlands, France, rest of the EU and beyond).

The mere fact that some Brexiteers are amazed about the interest of outsiders in Brexit does indicate how narrow-minded they seem to be. Only focussed on their Brexit goal without much regard of the wider consequences. They really deserve to get what they wished for. Perhaps after a couple of years of Brexit isolation they will start to appreciate the EU more and realize what the consequences of leaving were.

Thanks for your input and I hear what you are saying, but it would appear we are singing from different song sheets. It would appear that many of EU citizens have been conditioned into believing that the EU establishment is perfection personified. Only yesterday I made a comment about Jean Claude Juncker having alcohol problems and he did actually try to pass a law to enable him to smoke in the buildings of Brussels. You don't have to be biased to believe that Juncker has indeed got 'problems' but the said poster defended him to the hilt, why can't the EU citizens see what is their Shangri La is all about. I have my reasons to believe that the EU is trying to brainwash its citizens. "The EU spends £3.8 billion a year on propaganda to win over its citizens" and you can really believe that is money well spent the job they have seem to be doing on some of its citizens. I cannot remember any EU member from the mainland ever saying that there are problems with the EU, the problem is, it is catching to some of our own citizens. When you never admit you have problems, nothing will ever get fixed. Trading with the EU was great, losing our right to make our own decisions not so great.

When you start believing that people who don't think the same as you are wrong, you IMO are making a big mistake.

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50 minutes ago, whatsupdoc said:

As a non-Brit I find it highly fascinating to see a country (that I always respected) making such a mess and inflicting so much damage upon itself. It is baffling and despite the seriousness of the matter, in a certain sense, highly entertaining.

 

Unfortunately the effects of this whole fiasco will not only be felt in the UK but outside of it as well (Ireland, the Netherlands, France, rest of the EU and beyond).

The mere fact that some Brexiteers are amazed about the interest of outsiders in Brexit does indicate how narrow-minded they seem to be. Only focussed on their Brexit goal without much regard of the wider consequences. They really deserve to get what they wished for. Perhaps after a couple of years of Brexit isolation they will start to appreciate the EU more and realize what the consequences of leaving were.

The consequences remain to be seen though .

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23 minutes ago, vogie said:

 most people in Europe if they turned up drunk like him they would be sacked

That totally depends on how valuable you are to the result. Wanna know how many times I violated code of conduct nonsense and was doing my own thing without anyone saying a word, simply because it would be a nightmare to replace me? As I said, people care about results, not about principles. 

 

 

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Just now, whatsupdoc said:

Davis, who hardly bothered to show up in Brussels, should have been sacked, Boris Johnson made many blunders for which he should have been sacked and May should have resigned after the biggest defeat in UK parliamentary history. What are their special privileges? 

 

Juncker did get a second term. Maybe it was for political reasons, maybe it is not as bad as you suggest or maybe he actually did his job quite well. I do not know and frankly, do not care that much. I believe his political power is not that big so why bother.

YeeHaa, when you cannot answer my post, deflect. Davis is not running one of the most positions in Europe, it is Juncker, our leader, do you think the way he treats women is disrespectfull too. Why can't you just admit that it is not satisfactory for someone like him to have been put in charge of such a big organisation.

 

Some posters on here are like a big stick of Blackpool rock, but instead of having Blackpool running through the centre, the have EU.☺️

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2 minutes ago, vogie said:

YeeHaa, when you cannot answer my post, deflect. Davis is not running one of the most positions in Europe, it is Juncker, our leader, do you think the way he treats women is disrespectfull too. Why can't you just admit that it is not satisfactory for someone like him to have been put in charge of such a big organisation.

 

Some posters on here are like a big stick of Blackpool rock, but instead of having Blackpool running through the centre, the have EU.☺️

Sorry, but I did answer your post and did not deflect. That the reply is not to your satisfaction is not my problem.

Have a bit of respect for other posters.

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Just now, whatsupdoc said:

Sorry, but I did answer your post and did not deflect. That the reply is not to your satisfaction is not my problem.

Have a bit of respect for other posters.

You do not care how Juncker does his job, I find that extraodinary. Maybe that is why we don't think the same, most people that observes Juncker would say he is not showing a good example to the world, but you don't care. Have a good day.

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1 minute ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

You didn’t talk about how he does his job. You speculated about his drinking habits. 

 

I will try that excuse the next time the police pull me up in my car for drink driving, I'll say don't worry how much I've had to drink, just worry about how I'm driving. ????????????????????????????????????????

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1 hour ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

That totally depends on how valuable you are to the result. Wanna know how many times I violated code of conduct nonsense and was doing my own thing without anyone saying a word, simply because it would be a nightmare to replace me? As I said, people care about results, not about principles. 

 

 

Know what you mean, as I too violated 'code of conduct' rules a few times when working.  I still go cold thinking about how badly I behaved on a few occasions!

 

Nonetheless, it does appear that Juncker is an alcoholic - and not even a 'functioning' alcoholic....

 

He should have been sacked a long time ago IMO.

 

 

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1 hour ago, nontabury said:

I don’t think he’s suggesting that none Brits should be denied the right to comment on these Brexit threads. What he’s doing, is pointing out, how large a % of remoaners,are in fact non Brits, who perhaps prefer, that the U.K continues to make charitable contributions to the unelected E.U commissioners.

 Perhaps a good compromise, would be for all None Brits, to state that they are in fact none Brits when they post.555

 

 

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"I don’t think he’s suggesting that none Brits should be denied the right to comment on these Brexit threads. What he’s doing, is pointing out, how large a % of remoaners,are in fact non Brits, who perhaps prefer, that the U.K continues to make charitable contributions to the unelected E.U commissioners."

 

Agree entirely - but personally, I could do without the 'slogans'/cartoons etc.

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2 minutes ago, tebee said:

 

Probably better to start a new thread (in the Home Forum) section re. the care of the elderly in NHS hospitals?

 

I don't believe for one minute that those in the 'elderly' wards are constantly complaining about "the black ones".

 

A neighbour (who before retiring was a nurse) ended up in a 'geriatric' ward - and she was too sick (i.e not a dementia/alzheimer victim - just genuinely ill, but put in the geriatric ward as a result of her age) to complain about ANYTHING.....  My hubby and I on the other hand, both promised each other that we'd never allow each other to end up in a geriatric ward as a result of visiting her and seeing the lack of care provided etc. :sad:

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22 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Probably better to start a new thread (in the Home Forum) section re. the care of the elderly in NHS hospitals?

 

I don't believe for one minute that those in the 'elderly' wards are constantly complaining about "the black ones".

 

A neighbour (who before retiring was a nurse) ended up in a 'geriatric' ward - and she was too sick (i.e not a dementia/alzheimer victim - just genuinely ill, but put in the geriatric ward as a result of her age) to complain about ANYTHING.....  My hubby and I on the other hand, both promised each other that we'd never allow each other to end up in a geriatric ward as a result of visiting her and seeing the lack of care provided etc. :sad:

How much better will that care be when the NHS is denied overseas workers?

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2 hours ago, vogie said:

It is a response I totally expected, you are defending Juncker for doing his job whilst he is drunk, most people in Europe if they turned up drunk like him they would be sacked, do you think he deserves special privileges, the man is a disgrace. It's no excuse saying he is leaving in November, he has been in that job for 6 years.

 

But as I said we from the UK (most of us anyway) do not share your beliefs in the mystical eutopia they call the EU. We both appear to have different ideals and beliefs what is best for our country. We both are seeking different goals I guess, but when we constantly get posts saying how misguided and illinformed we are, especially when accompanied by snide remarks from some members (not you), the veil starts to slip a bit.

The will of the people in 2019 is to remain. You are now in the minority, as you might well find out should this fiasco result in a second vote. And ironically the younger generations, who will have to live with Brexit, are against it. Every time I see a vox pop of leavers they are invariably old age pensioners ... who will gain little from Brexit, but are happy for the younger generation to lose a great deal. Time for those with a vested interest in the long term future of the country to take back control from those who do not.

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5 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

The will of the people in 2019 is to remain. You are now in the minority, as you might well find out should this fiasco result in a second vote. And ironically the younger generations, who will have to live with Brexit, are against it. Every time I see a vox pop of leavers they are invariably old age pensioners ... who will gain little from Brexit, but are happy for the younger generation to lose a great deal. Time for those with a vested interest in the long term future of the country to take back control from those who do not.

That's strange, everytime I see the Young on the tv they are in favour of leaving, the ones that are not, are more interested in the size of Kim Kardashians bottom.

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