Pros and Cons of "Marriage" Extension vs. "Retirement" Extension

[NavaJauvana]

Due to not being in Thailand during the renewal period for my retirement extension, I need to start over. I am married to a Thai citizen, and with the marriage certificate I easily got a new Non-Imm O visa at a consulate outside Thailand. Now before this visa expires, I need to go to Immigration to request an annual extension. I was told I could request a one year extension (with the new income requirements in order) either on the basis of Marriage, or as a Retirement extension. My question is, besides the amount of baht one needs to keep in the bank or for showing monthly depositis, what are the Pros and Cons of getting either the "Marriage" extension vs. the "Retirement" extension? Any thoughts on this? 

[BritManToo]

Marriage 

Pro - you can work (with a work permit)

Con - it's cancelled on death/divorce.

 

That's about it.

[ExpatOilWorker]

7 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Marriage 

Pro - you can work (with a work permit)

Con - it's cancelled on death/divorce.

 

That's about it.

You need 2 visits to immigration for the marriage extension while you can do everything in one day for the retirement extension.

 

[ubonjoe]

23 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Con - it's cancelled on death/divorce.

Not correct. On death it remains valid until the extension ends. On divorce it does end.

[JLCrab]

13 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Marriage 

Pro - you can work (with a work permit)

Con - it's cancelled on death/divorce.

 

Marriage 

Pro - you can work (with a work permit)

Con - You have to be married.

[ubonjoe]

7 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

You need 2 visits to immigration for the marriage extension while you can do everything in one day for the retirement extension.

 

But for the 2nd visit it is only a matter of handing over your passport to have the extension stamped in it. Done in minutes at most offices.

[NavaJauvana]

Are the 90 Day reporting requirements the same or different, for a "Marriage" extension vs. "Retirement" extension?

[ubonjoe]

16 minutes ago, NavaJauvana said:

Are the 90 Day reporting requirements the same or different, for a "Marriage" extension vs. "Retirement" extension?

It is the same for every type of extension or a entry from a visa that allows a stay longer than 90 days.

[NavaJauvana]

Thank you, Ubonjoe. I have one more (probably my last) question.

 

If one gets a retirement extension this year, but next year he has less than 800K baht (but over 400K baht) in his bank account to meet the income requirement, is it easy to switch from the "retirement" extension to a "marriage" extension? Or does one need to start the process all over again with a new Non-Imm O visa?

[ExpatOilWorker]

37 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

But for the 2nd visit it is only a matter of handing over your passport to have the extension stamped in it. Done in minutes at most offices.

Minutes as in 60 minutes at Chang Wattana, correct, but only then can you queue up for the multiple entry stamp.

Either way, it does require a second trip to immigration, which can be a long trip for some.

[elviajero]

33 minutes ago, NavaJauvana said:

If one gets a retirement extension this year, but next year he has less than 800K baht (but over 400K baht) in his bank account to meet the income requirement, is it easy to switch from the "retirement" extension to a "marriage" extension? Or does one need to start the process all over again with a new Non-Imm O visa?

Yes, it is easy to switch. You don't need a new Non 'O' visa.

[Kenny202]

I dont know about 2 visits for marriage visa. You will usually be required to take 3 people from your moo ban with you as witnesses on your first application. I just did the extension based on having a child (very similar to marriage) and the hoops they made me jump through was endless. People at immigration dont like doing them either, mountain of paperwork. Only benefits I know of only 400k required in bank. If you have the 800k here do urself a favour and extend retirement

[moontang]

Had several expats tell me retirement was simpler and easier...and they were still in line at 5am in Chiang Mai...Marriage for convenience or money is gaining popularity as the screws continue to tighten, so expect more hoops, scrutiny, and plain stupid questions and requirements.  They also seem to be more on the lookout for people using "good" offices for extensions, with no real residence in that province.

[onera1961]

17 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

It is the same for every type of extension or a entry from a visa that allows a stay longer than 90 days.

Except entry using a smart visa

Edited January 27, 2019 by onera1961

[wombat]

the real difference between the two is 400K.

[DrJack54]

19 hours ago, NavaJauvana said:

Are the 90 Day reporting requirements the same or different, for a "Marriage" extension vs. "Retirement" extension?

Yes same.  What I would like to know is the TM30 required for retirement and marriage extensions. In a current thread running a member stated that tm30 was now required for extension at CW. Note it sounded like his extension was based on marriage. Many others (myself included) where stating that they have NEVER been asked for tm30 over many years, including recent extensions. Their extensions based on retirement. So what's the go?

Edited January 27, 2019 by DrJack54
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[gamini]

19 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

You need 2 visits to immigration for the marriage extension while you can do everything in one day for the retirement extension.

 

It takes about 20 minutes to do a retirement visa for most of us

[gamini]

19 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Marriage 

Pro - you can work (with a work permit)

Con - it's cancelled on death/divorce.

 

That's about it.

You forgot it's only 400,000. Bt Bank deposit for a marriage visa and 800,000 for retirement visa

[LawrenceN]

I'm in my eighth year retired in Thailand. At first, I had a marriage visa. Six years ago, I submitted all the paperwork to extend it, wife by my side, all looked good. The IO told me to come back on a particular date more than a month away to get my extension. "No can do," I said. I had a plane ticket booked to be in the US on that date. IO was totally inflexible, said it had to be that one date, with a very smug, satisfied grin, as if she had won some sort of victory. Mrs. and I were incredulous, couldn't believe what we hearing, and no reason was given for the firm date. After we sat there confused for a couple of minutes, IO told us that she could give me a retirement extension right there on the spot. Marriage paperwork covers retirement paperwork and then some. With no other good choice, I took the retirement extension, which I have had ever since. To this day, I don't understand the IO's reaction, why a retirement extension is better from their perspective. So there's that.

[spidermike007]

Having done both, I can tell you the marriage visa is infinitely harder to get. The hoops they make you jump over are beyond ridiculous. My file is probably 125 pages. Just for an application. It is stupid. Seems they prefer the 800K, over the 400k. And each year it is the same. 10 photos of your home, inside and out. Maps to your home. A Thai witness who lives near your home accompanying you to immigration, to testify that you live there! Each year, it is another 100 pages or more, of data, images, statements, etc. It is the very definition of stupidity, xenophobia, arrogance, ignorance and hubris. And did I mention a waste of perfectly good stationary?

[Chongalulu]

I had a marriage visa extension for 2 years,then switched to retirement for 2 years .If I switch back will I have to go through the procedures again associated with the initial marriage extension (home visits etc) or is it dependent on the particular office?. I’m  Korat office.

[DrJack54]

Retirement extensions have less paperwork than marriage extensions so io love em

[marcusarelus]

Retirement go alone to Immigration office.  In and out quick. 

[OJAS]

24 minutes ago, LawrenceN said:

I don't understand the IO's reaction, why a retirement extension is better from their perspective.

Probably because a retirement extension causes less work for her than a marriage one. Retirement extensions can be approved at local offices on the spot, whereas marriage ones need to be referred up the line to the bigwigs in Divisional HQ for final approval, hence the need to return to the local office after 30 days for the final stamp.

[ardsong]

apart from the difference in bank deposits, and an extension based on marriage is indeed a lot more paper work and you have to visit twice, but most important is : the Immigration officer told me, that an extension based on retirement is far easier for the immigration officer.

[ubonjoe]

40 minutes ago, nchuckle said:

I had a marriage visa extension for 2 years,then switched to retirement for 2 years .If I switch back will I have to go through the procedures again associated with the initial marriage extension (home visits etc) or is it dependent on the particular office?. I’m  Korat office.

Changing to an extension based upon marriage might be the same as the first one dependent upon the office you do it at. I cannot say what Korat immigration would do.

[jesimps]

29 minutes ago, ardsong said:

apart from the difference in bank deposits, and an extension based on marriage is indeed a lot more paper work and you have to visit twice, but most important is : the Immigration officer told me, that an extension based on retirement is far easier for the immigration officer.

Not to mention donations to the benevalent fund from agents.....need I say more?

[RussellGee]

Officially - according to Kasikorn, you cannot have more than one bank account on a marriage extension.

 

If I was on a retired extension or working with a WP (as I was before scratching up 35K as a teacher) I was to welcome to as many as I liked. 

 

[kannot]

1 hour ago, LawrenceN said:

the IO's reaction

lazy...........simple

[ubonjoe]

4 minutes ago, RussellGee said:

Officially - according to Kasikorn, you cannot have more than one bank account on a marriage extension.

That might be their rule. It certainly does not apply to all banks.