EU negotiator and Council chief tell Britain's May: No to renegotiation

[melvinmelvin]

2 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I understand what your saying but to me its like saying we will have a cup final with two teams and they both get the cup.

 

 

in many disciplines of sport; a shared first is not uncommon

 

[Grouse]

2 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

"If you believe all politicians are equally selfish, self seeking, greedy bastards then just give up now."

 

Surely now is the time for the electorate to realise this is the case and hold them accountable?

 

Having said this, the electorate already knew this to be the case, but their shenanigans over this issue has made it even more clear......

So organize a revolution

 

Personally, I recommend a little more wisdom in selecting an MP to vote for 

[melvinmelvin]

5 minutes ago, Grouse said:

So organize a revolution

 

Personally, I recommend a little more wisdom in selecting an MP to vote for 

tricky sheit this Grouse

fptp doesn't lend itself to using wisdom in selecting MPs

 

 

[Grouse]

7 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

tricky sheit this Grouse

fptp doesn't lend itself to using wisdom in selecting MPs

 

 

Yes, I agree

 

We had a referendum to replace fptp with a form of PR called AV. Of course it was defeated by the epsilons who know less about PR than EU!

 

I hope many more independents stand and resign the party whip.

 

The UK has become an international embarrassment

[melvinmelvin]

3 hours ago, Grouse said:

Yes, I agree

 

We had a referendum to replace fptp with a form of PR called AV. Of course it was defeated by the epsilons who know less about PR than EU!

 

I hope many more independents stand and resign the party whip.

 

The UK has become an international embarrassment

quite a challenge to introduce PR in a country like UK

number size and geographical area of constituencies not easy at all, very sensitive stuff

 

there are a zillion and a half methods for PR,

 

you can't go fptp-PR in one go, some GEs needed for tuning and adjustments

 

(some of the shortcomings of fptp are also present in PR, but more subdued and easier mitigated,

 proper mitigation requires practical experience, computers can't do it all)

 

one voting behaviour you are likely to see with PR, eg in an environment with about 20 or 30 constituencies,

is tactical voting performed by the electorate, if Tory splits, if Labour splits, if UKIP re-enter the scene

you will for sure start to see tactical voting done by the electorate

pretty unknown in the UK so far I guess, at least at the national level

 

 

 

 

[Spidey]

Excellent 3 part documentary on the BBC, for those that can access BBC iPlayer.

 

"Inside Europe: Ten Years of Turmoil."

 

Frank interviews with all the key players in Britain's relationship with the EU for the 10 years leading up to the Brexit referendum.

 

A few surprises, including how much the EU tried again and again to accommodate Britain's demands. Donald Tusk came across as a really cool guy and a friend to the UK. The Czeck Republic premier, not so much!

 

I think that Brexiteers will say that it furthers their case and Remainers will say that it furthers their case.

 

Check it out and make your own mind up.

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, Grouse said:

Yes, I agree

 

We had a referendum to replace fptp with a form of PR called AV. Of course it was defeated by the epsilons who know less about PR than EU!

 

I hope many more independents stand and resign the party whip.

 

The UK has become an international embarrassment

Referendum on that was withdrawn by one Anthony Charles Lynton Blair, as I recall?

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, melvinmelvin said:

quite a challenge to introduce PR in a country like UK

number size and geographical area of constituencies not easy at all, very sensitive stuff

 

there are a zillion and a half methods for PR,

 

you can't go fptp-PR in one go, some GEs needed for tuning and adjustments

 

(some of the shortcomings of fptp are also present in PR, but more subdued and easier mitigated,

 proper mitigation requires practical experience, computers can't do it all)

 

one voting behaviour you are likely to see with PR, eg in an environment with about 20 or 30 constituencies,

is tactical voting performed by the electorate, if Tory splits, if Labour splits, if UKIP re-enter the scene

you will for sure start to see tactical voting done by the electorate

pretty unknown in the UK so far I guess, at least at the national level

 

 

 

 

What a delightful surprise to get an insightful, well informed response!

 

Ta' ska' du hav' ????????

[Nigel Garvie]

"The UK has become an international embarrassment" (Grouse)

 

Sadly oh so true, though I hope that I can ignore it more successfully in CM in a few days, midday "Ong Saa" will be 32c higher than Scotland is now, it does encourage a more relaxed frame of mind. However on the topic of this thread, how can TM achieve the impossible which once again was voted for (MPs this time). 

[SamuiGeezer]

On 1/31/2019 at 5:34 AM, Samui Bodoh said:

What possible reason would the EU have to start handing out benefits to the UK now?

39 billion reasons ....

[bomber]

6 minutes ago, SamuiGeezer said:

39 billion reasons ....

it wont worry about that,ask any golf club with 200 members if 14 leave will the club still be running as it was,you will find the answer is yes,a very very small percentage might say the extra revenue would of been nice but no big deal.

[bomber]

13 minutes ago, SamuiGeezer said:

39 billion reasons ....

the 39 billion quid saved must of been spent by brits just on loss of currency in the last 2.5 years and thats before its even left,possibly with even worse to come,and there will still 1-2 hour waits at A+E as there has been as long as i can remember,

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, bomber said:

it wont worry about that,ask any golf club with 200 members if 14 leave will the club still be running as it was,you will find the answer is yes,a very very small percentage might say the extra revenue would of been nice but no big deal.

A bit different when most of them are on free or discounted fees.

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

"The UK has become an international embarrassment" (Grouse)

 

Sadly oh so true, though I hope that I can ignore it more successfully in CM in a few days, midday "Ong Saa" will be 32c higher than Scotland is now, it does encourage a more relaxed frame of mind. However on the topic of this thread, how can TM achieve the impossible which once again was voted for (MPs this time). 

Yeah. That's right. Socket to 'em.

[Enki]

On 1/31/2019 at 4:53 AM, Laughing Gravy said:

Again as I said leaders. if I want to vote out Juncker or Tusk tell me how.

If you want to vote out the prime minister or Merkel, tell me how1!!!elevn

 

Sorry, do you have mental disabilities? You can not vote one out of office until next election, and then you vote like brexit guys did: vote for something completely unrelated just to piss the government/rulers off.

[welovesundaysatspace]

20 hours ago, nauseus said:

A bit different when most of them are on free or discounted fees.

Not so much when the financial

obligations the leaving member refuses to respect can also be settled in court should he disagree to the out-of-court settlement, and the leaving member will be paying double the fees for accessing the club’s facilities in future. 

[nauseus]

42 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Not so much when the financial

obligations the leaving member refuses to respect can also be settled in court should he disagree to the out-of-court settlement, and the leaving member will be paying double the fees for accessing the club’s facilities in future. 

Why reply to me? The amount of money due from the UK has nothing to do with the previous comments.

[Laughing Gravy]

On 1/31/2019 at 2:28 PM, Grouse said:

Good article!

 

I am working in Malaysia today

 

Will respond when I've finished later this afternoon

Have I missed the response??? I was looking forward to it,

[Grouse]

2 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Have I missed the response??? I was looking forward to it,

No, you are correct. I shall respond over breakfast this morning!