Australian ‘red notice’ led to arrest of Bahrain footballer: Don

[rkidlad]

26 minutes ago, Russell17au said:

It is good to know that you were there with this man and can swear that he did not commit these acts. You cannot swear beyond any reasonable doubt that this man did not commit these acts unless you were standing beside this man the whole time that it was claimed that he did it. There are many activists in the world doing damage to many things and destroying lives. You can only assume that he did not do the things, you cannot prove it.

Certain countries have certain reputations. Had this man been Finnish, for example, and was wanted by the Finnish government, no one would bat an eyelid and he'd already be back in Finland. Unfortunately for Bahrain, it has a terrible reputation and rightfully so. Bahrain and Thailand, etc, can tell there own people that they have an honest and righteous justice system, but they can't do that to the rest of the civilized world. It doesn't work like that in real life. 

 

What's the old expression? "Your reputation precedes you". If countries with poor human rights records want a better reputation, stop abusing human rights. It's really very simple. 

[marc651]

30 minutes ago, Russell17au said:

You cannot swear beyond any reasonable doubt that this man did not commit these acts unless you were standing beside this man the whole time that it was claimed that he did it.

There are facts. Its a fact that political activists get locked up and tortured in Bahrain. Its a fact that he spoke out against the regime before being accused. Its a fact that an investigation has taken place in Australia about his life being in danger as a consequence of his political activism, and the outcome was that he has been granted protection as a recognized political refugee.

Adding up all the facts, looking at the motives, the history and similar cases, just makes the likelihood of the claims Bahrain makes very unlikely.

[Stevemercer]

Yes, it is all very strange. Of course the Thai government can just send him back to Australia. The Thai PM and his Ministers must owe Bahrain some pretty big favours.

[dabhand]

29 minutes ago, Russell17au said:

It is good to know that you were there with this man and can swear that he did not commit these acts. You cannot swear beyond any reasonable doubt that this man did not commit these acts unless you were standing beside this man the whole time that it was claimed that he did it. There are many activists in the world doing damage to many things and destroying lives. You can only assume that he did not do the things, you cannot prove it.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/feb/04/hakeem-al-araibi-bahrain-thailand-court-extradition

 

This Guardian article has the interesting comment 'he was playing in a televised football match either at the same time as the crime or so close to it he would have been unable to get there'.

Not seen this mentioned elsewhere and also not clear as to who concluded that he 'would have been unable to be there'. Likely to be his supporters, and maybe reviewed and discounted by the court? Without having a report of the court proceedings it would be impossible to conclude one way or the other. 

In any event, it seems not to be the open and shut case as noted by many.

[simple1]

4 minutes ago, dabhand said:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/feb/04/hakeem-al-araibi-bahrain-thailand-court-extradition

 

This Guardian article has the interesting comment 'he was playing in a televised football match either at the same time as the crime or so close to it he would have been unable to get there'.

Not seen this mentioned elsewhere and also not clear as to who concluded that he 'would have been unable to be there'. Likely to be his supporters, and maybe reviewed and discounted by the court? Without having a report of the court proceedings it would be impossible to conclude one way or the other. 

In any event, it seems not to be the open and shut case as noted by many.

The guy would have undergone strict security vetting and checks for the Oz government to grant him refugee status. For me that is more than enough proof of the man's innocence.

[dorayme]

He was at the airport on his way to Australia. Australia had issued the red notice. Thailand should have let him to to Australia and alert the Australian authorities he was on his was. Bahrain would have not become involved with Thailand.

[Brislocal]

I still say why the hell did my government give him refugee status when he  is a wanted criminal 

Ps send back to face the music  end of story.

[macca3248]

Send him back to Bahrain ,,,will save Aussie tax payers money in the long term !

 

[4MyEgo]

5 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

"Al-Araibi was convicted and sentenced in absentia to 10 years in prison for “terrorism-related offences, including an attack on a police station”

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/05/hakeem-al-araibi-case-bahrain-is-emboldened-to-take-human-rights-abuse-beyond-its-borders

So was Yingluck by a military ruling government which no nation pays attention too, otherwise she would have been returned, wouldn't she, I mean if Bahrain can apply to Thailand to have this innocent until proven guilty guy returned, one would think Thailand could also apply to have Yingluck returned, oh and we won't mention the "Boss" and his red notice will we.......the red notice that keeps getting taken down

[4MyEgo]

4 hours ago, Old Croc said:

This headline and story is total BS!!

It's disappointing, but not surprising, that so many on this forum believe the headline without reading the full links.

 

Interpol issues the red notices at the behest of the complainant country,  in this case Bahrain, NOT Australia!  (They shouldn't be issued against a refugee from the country seeking the notice anyway).

These notices come to the attention of border security when the subject passes through airport screening.  Australia's border police advised local Interpol of the movement as per protocol.

Interpol advised Thailand, but they probably would have picked it up on entry anyway. Interpol subsequently withdrew the notice and at that stage Thailand should have released the subject, but once Thailand gets their teeth into a case like this they invariably escalate the matter in their unique bumbling manner. The shackles are a prime example.

 

 

I am waiting to see them lose face, one way or another, I hope for the sack of this guy.

[Petchou]

6 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

No. Not easy. His crimes of arson and vandalism were committed in Bahrain. That is where he should be returned to. The fact the Australia gave the nod to have him arrested attests to the credibility and seriousness of his despicable crimes. And also gives credence to the legal trial that convicted him. Send him back to Bahrain, let him serve his sentence, then he can go on holiday to Australia or for work whatever(as a free man).

 The notion that criminals can run abroad to soft touch countries (Canada and Oz) and seek asylum from their criminal sentences is a disgrace. That this guy flaunted his run and hide game made it even worse.

How do you know that Bahraini are not lying.  Knowing their disrespect to human rights and any law in general, the chances are very high that he is innocent.

[4MyEgo]

4 hours ago, Howard said:

AN idiot Australian Federal Police Officer passed the red notice to the Thai authorities. The guy should be sacked but, needless to say, we have heard nothing more of that. Thailand does not have an extradition treaty with Bahrain so is under no obligation to extradite him. If the Thai authorities were at all honourable and not influenced by other factors they would have sent him back to Australia weeks ago!

I totally agree with yours and everyone else's frustrations and anger, however in this instance Thailand are following the letter of the law, the process has begun and must go through it's due process, putting the shackles and no bail aside which could have been granted in my opinion.

 

Had Thailand though rationally and released him before Bahrain sent their request, it would have been a different story, and they could have done that, so I do put some blame on them in that regard because the red notice was taken down and there was NO need for them to wait for Bahrain to apply for his extradition, but both countries are similar the more I see the more I live here unfortunately, i.e. Thailand is NOT a democracy. 

 

Under the principle of reciprocity in extradition, requests for extradition may be made by states which have no treaty of extradition with Thailand, but such states must clearly express a commitment to grant extradition of fugitives required by Thailand in a similar manner when requested. This being the case, extradition requests will usually be considered from states with no formal treaty on an ad hoc basis.

 

If no treaty exists, the request must be submitted through diplomatic channels to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, who will examine the request to ensure it will not adversely affect relations between the two countries. If they believe this to be the case, they will submit the request to the Attorney General. Assuming there are no deficiencies in the request, the Attorney General will instruct a Public Prosecutor to issue an arrest warrant. Upon arrest, a formal action in court will be commenced.

[graeme64]

7 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

No. Not easy. His crimes of arson and vandalism were committed in Bahrain. That is where he should be returned to. The fact the Australia gave the nod to have him arrested attests to the credibility and seriousness of his despicable crimes. And also gives credence to the legal trial that convicted him. Send him back to Bahrain, let him serve his sentence, then he can go on holiday to Australia or for work whatever(as a free man).

 The notion that criminals can run abroad to soft touch countries (Canada and Oz) and seek asylum from their criminal sentences is a disgrace. That this guy flaunted his run and hide game made it even worse.

You should do some research before making comments like this.

 

This criminal was on TV playing football when he was alleged to have committed these 'despicable crimes'

 

 

[4MyEgo]

3 hours ago, mikosan said:

Yes, can't you read?   

 

'Bahrain, which issued an arrest warrant after finding him guilty of criminal charges in 2014, learnt about his overseas trip and requested Thailand to detain him, Don said'.

Convicted in absentia, the same as Yingluck, "set-up", hence the reason they took off to escape persecution at the hands of the almighty supreme rulers, some are thicker than others, the ones that stay, get served

[oldrunner]

Note to Thailand FM. Get the pre-stuffed envelopes ready for who ever it looks like this circus will win.

[4MyEgo]

3 hours ago, Russell17au said:

Look at the history of this case.

He said that he went to the Thai Consulate in Melbourne to ask if it was safe to go to Thailand and he claims he was informed that it would be safe. Did he notify Australian Immigration that he wanted to travel outside of Australia and therefore receive the Australian travel documents for a refugee? These documents give the same protection as an Australian passport gives an Australian citizen. He was arrested in Bahrain for his criminal activity but he was released on bail and he left the country and did not appear at his court hearing so he did not submit anything in his defense of the alleged crimes. He was therefore convicted and sentenced for those crimes. It has not been said where he was travelling to or where he was travelling from but it was said that he was arrested on arrival at Bangkok enroute back to Australia. Bahrain did have an arrest warrant issued against this man that was registered with Interpol. The "Red Notice" would have gone up when he went through Australian Immigration at his departure point and that would have registered on the Interpol system which would indicate that Australia has issued the "Red Notice" when it would be an automatic thing. His biggest mistake was that he did not ensure his own safety when he left the sanctuary of Australia. Now everyone is blaming Australia, Thailand, Australian Federal Police, everyone except the man that has caused all these problems and that is the man himself for leaving the safety of Australia. 

As for the shackles it is common practice not only in Thailand for prisoners being transported between the remand centre and the courts to be shackled.

Still doesn't make it right for Thailand to hold him, when the red notice was taken down, although they decided to wait for Bahrain to send there formal request, which in my opinion is WRONG.

[PremiumLane]

44 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

That would be the excellent vetting that led to constant home invasions in Melbourne by foreign gangs? Bomb threats by Arabic speaking male at Brisbane airport last week? The stabbing spree in Melbourne a few months ago? No offense, but the vetting of foreigners seeking a life on easy street down under is appalling. No reason to believe this case is any different, even with constant claims without a shred of evidence that he was playing a televised footy match at the time the crimes were done.

 As a previous poster said, if you were actually with him at the time then you can state with certainty that he is innocent. Otherwise its just parrotting nonsense gleaned from lazy media sources.

 

the irony of talking about foreign gangs and then parroting nonsense from lazy media sources, well done

[4MyEgo]

3 hours ago, Russell17au said:

But, he was rightfully convicted because he failed to appear at his court hearing and present any evidence that would have proved him innocent. This also is what is needed in most other countries in court hearings. If you do not appear at the court to defend yourself then it is left open to the court to only be able to consider one side of the evidence

You obviously know NOTHING about Bahrain's judicial system, next thing you would tell me is that you have faith in the Thai judicial system, me personally, in either country, I would be fleeing as quick as an emu passing wind..........

[4MyEgo]

3 hours ago, Russell17au said:

It is good to know that you were there with this man and can swear that he did not commit these acts. You cannot swear beyond any reasonable doubt that this man did not commit these acts unless you were standing beside this man the whole time that it was claimed that he did it. There are many activists in the world doing damage to many things and destroying lives. You can only assume that he did not do the things, you cannot prove it.

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• Trouble thinking clearly or concentrating.
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[4MyEgo]

2 hours ago, Ossy said:

"Make sure you get a good shot of me," says this cop-and-a-half, keeping a firm hold of refugee and keen to demonstrate the new, improved and BIGGER standard issue cop-pod. Vastly overweight . . . like the 'force' itself.

 

Couldn't even provide him with a pair of thongs/flip flops, what a disgrace !!!

[4MyEgo]

1 hour ago, Brislocal said:

I still say why the hell did my government give him refugee status when he  is a wanted criminal 

Ps send back to face the music  end of story.

A newbie starting on the wrong foot on TVF.

 

Wanted criminal by who, read the human rights policies of Bahrain before you become a jolly swagman, oi

[4MyEgo]

1 hour ago, macca3248 said:

Send him back to Bahrain ,,,will save Aussie tax payers money in the long term !

 

Hope you get stuck in either Thailand or Bahrain one day and enjoy your judicial system, one could say your a racist 

Edited February 6, 2019 by 4MyEgo

[4MyEgo]

1 hour ago, TopDeadSenter said:

That would be the excellent vetting that led to constant home invasions in Melbourne by foreign gangs? Bomb threats by Arabic speaking male at Brisbane airport last week? The stabbing spree in Melbourne a few months ago? No offense, but the vetting of foreigners seeking a life on easy street down under is appalling. No reason to believe this case is any different, even with constant claims without a shred of evidence that he was playing a televised footy match at the time the crimes were done.

 As a previous poster said, if you were actually with him at the time then you can state with certainty that he is innocent. Otherwise its just parrotting nonsense gleaned from lazy media sources.

 

One could say your a racist too

Edited February 6, 2019 by 4MyEgo

[tifino]

while this is all going on, I'll start looking at what Bahrain will be obliged to do with a a runaway Vandal?

 

Googling this for example:

'amputation punishment vandalism'

 

a bit lower in the Punishment scale:

'amputation punishment thief'

 

 

but they all Pale, against this level!

'amutation punishment Apostasy

[Spock]

7 hours ago, khunJeroen said:

This issue seems much bugger in Thai media than it really is. In Europe, nobody heard about it, even in SG people hardly bother. I also think most Thais don't care as long as he leaves.

Most Thais don't seem to care too much about human rights issues anyway. Look at the Rohingyas that the Thais were all but complicit in murdering down south. Or Rohingyas seeking asylum. 

[Spock]

7 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

"Al-Araibi was convicted and sentenced in absentia to 10 years in prison for “terrorism-related offences, including an attack on a police station”

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/05/hakeem-al-araibi-case-bahrain-is-emboldened-to-take-human-rights-abuse-beyond-its-borders

You are not a Bahraini by any chance?

[Spock]

6 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

How very convenient.

What's your problem with this guy? Do you know something about him that just about everyone else on here doesn't?

[Bluespunk]

2 hours ago, Brislocal said:

I still say why the hell did my government give him refugee status when he  is a wanted criminal 

Ps send back to face the music  end of story.

Perhaps you should acquaint yourself with the facts surrounding this story before making such posts.

Edited February 6, 2019 by Bluespunk

[simple1]

2 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

That would be the excellent vetting that led to constant home invasions in Melbourne by foreign gangs? Bomb threats by Arabic speaking male at Brisbane airport last week? The stabbing spree in Melbourne a few months ago? No offense, but the vetting of foreigners seeking a life on easy street down under is appalling. No reason to believe this case is any different, even with constant claims without a shred of evidence that he was playing a televised footy match at the time the crimes were done.

 As a previous poster said, if you were actually with him at the time then you can state with certainty that he is innocent. Otherwise its just parrotting nonsense gleaned from lazy media sources.

 

There is no evidence the guy is a violent criminal. The gangs you refer to are comprised of mixed nationalities, including those born in Australia. The guy at Brisbane airport was in fact a case of domestic abuse; good old Aussies murder their partner / ex partners at a rate of one a week. Yes there have been some cases of terrorism. However, unlike you and your leader I do not support dictatorships with long standing track records of human rights abuses and extrajudicial killings, nor am I xenophobic.

 

Bahrain Human Rights abuse...

 

UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Zeid Ra’ad Al Hussein, in his September 11 address to the 36^th session of the Human Rights Council, decried the “arrests, intimidation, travel bans and closure order, with increasing reports of torture” in Bahrain, saying that “democratic space in the country has essentially been shut down”.

 

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2018/country-chapters/bahrain

 

 

Edited February 6, 2019 by simple1

[Odysseus123]

30 minutes ago, Spock said:

You are not a Bahraini by any chance?

Probably not as any good honest Bahraini is probably out there honing their scimitar and ticklin' a camel or two..but he sure loves the smell (and taste) of boot polish in the morning...