Disgruntled

[Gary7616]

Why does immigration have the hots for retired people here in Thailand? Surely the ones causing the most trouble are the young ones, the ones who are running these so called romance scams. These are the ones working illegally while on student visas. Maybe its time to have them show they are able to support themselves by showing money in their account? Leave us old ones alone please.

[onera1961]

Big jokes is trying to arrest and deport them.


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[robblok]

The new ones were picked off before with the ones on retirement cheering, now the shoe is on the other foot there is a lot moaning. So maybe you should look into time line of this. First they went after tourist visa's then education visa's, made marriage visa a bit harder and now the retirement visa is under attack. Many pensioners cheered the previous attacks so karma ?

 

Anyway there is no change for those who actually have the money just for those who swore they had and did not. Plus this is only 4 four embassies who used the swearing method instead of checking real evidence. The other embassies who did check still give letters. 

[ThomasThBKK]

Young people have only 1 way to stay here long term, buying an elite visa. So shut up, your post is utter non sense. 

 

You old grumpy retires have it way easier than any of us. 

[Gary7616]

3 minutes ago, ThomasThBKK said:

Young people have only 1 way to stay here kong term, buying an elite visa. So shut up, your post is utter non sense. 

 

You old grumpy retires have it way easier than any of us. 

Obviously only to someone with your superior knowledge!

[Lacessit]

Is there somewhere in Chiang Mai I can find a gruntled expat?

[ThomasThBKK]

Obviously only to someone with your superior knowledge!

 

There's no visa you can't get that a young person can get.

 

Ed visa and narriage are not an option for legit people. 

 

 

Old people here have it way easier, that's a fact. 

 

 

[mtls2005]

I know I'm missing something obvious, but why do married people, potentially with children, need less money than single people? 

 

Seems like the married folks would need more money.

 

#Still gruntled

[JackThompson]

25 minutes ago, Gary7616 said:

Why does immigration have the hots for retired people here in Thailand? Surely the ones causing the most trouble are the young ones, the ones who are running these so called romance scams. These are the ones working illegally while on student visas.

Maybe its time to have them show they are able to support themselves by showing money in their account?

ED Visa extensions often involve agent-type payments to immigration every 3 months.  That is how they "fixed" that so-called "problem."  Similar may be coming our way for retirement.

 

25 minutes ago, Gary7616 said:

Leave us old ones alone please.

Not until every last one of us is paying agent-money or elite-visa money tribute to stay.

[robblok]

3 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

I know I'm missing something obvious, but why do married people, potentially with children, need less money than single people? 

 

Seems like the married folks would need more money.

 

#Still gruntled

A perk of having a Thai wife i guess.. to have them benefit from a lower requirement. Seems good to me to keep couples together. But I get your drift.

[JackThompson]

3 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

I know I'm missing something obvious, but why do married people, potentially with children, need less money than single people? 

 

Seems like the married folks would need more money.

The marriage/family extension financial-requirements are based on how much money you actually need to support a family at a standard-of-living well above median-Thai incomes. 

 

The retirement requirements are set much higher than actually needed - used only to limit how many retirees can spend their foreign-sourced incomes into Thailand, and ensure many must pay-off immigration via the agent-racket to stay.

[Dmaxdan]

Immigration only has the "hots" as you put it for the people who are getting their extensions through the back door, rather than the legitimate route. In doing so they are inevitably treading on the toes of those who are doing so legally. It is the dishonest expats who don't have the funds available and use corrupt agents who are totally to blame for new, tighter rules. Nobody else.

 

 

[Pravda]

Go hug a millennial. You'll feel better 

 

[Liverpudlian]

Post on countdown 10/9/8/7 ????

[DrJack54]

5 minutes ago, Pravda said:

Go hug a millennial. You'll feel better 

 

What if " the world owes me a life syndrome " is contagious

[stud858]

I think it's about proud thai people wanting the country for themselves.

Like Australia and other whitey countries. There's the debate. Racist or proud. A bit of both.

Easy to pick on old retirees. Your not exactly going to cause a raucous about it, or are you?

[Pravda]

8 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

What if " the world owes me a life syndrome " is contagious

 

You mean Thailand owes me a retirement syndrome?

[Vacuum]

1 hour ago, ThomasThBKK said:

Young people have only 1 way to stay here long term, buying an elite visa.

They can get married....

[DrJack54]

3 minutes ago, Pravda said:

 

You mean Thailand owes me a retirement syndrome?

Umm..personally I have the 800k pretty much locked away in Thai bank for retirement extension. I spend about 55k+ aud here every year. Very happy Thai imm affords me opportunity to live in los. Mind you I have zero health here (I pay myself) etc etc. Thinking Thai are happy with the arrangement. 55kaud in very little out.

[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, ThomasThBKK said:

 

There's no visa you can't get that a young person can get.

 

Ed visa and narriage are not an option for legit people. 

 

 

Old people here have it way easier, that's a fact. 

 

 

Then get a job here, if you can't [because your skills are neither required or valued] then go somewhere else and stop bitching that you can't get a visa here.

[jacko45k]

1 hour ago, ThomasThBKK said:

Young people have only 1 way to stay here long term, buying an elite visa. So shut up, your post is utter non sense. 

 

You old grumpy retires have it way easier than any of us. 

What about a marriage visa or work permit?

[CMNightRider]

1 hour ago, robblok said:

The new ones were picked off before with the ones on retirement cheering, now the shoe is on the other foot there is a lot moaning. So maybe you should look into time line of this. First they went after tourist visa's then education visa's, made marriage visa a bit harder and now the retirement visa is under attack. Many pensioners cheered the previous attacks so karma ?

 

Anyway there is no change for those who actually have the money just for those who swore they had and did not. Plus this is only 4 four embassies who used the swearing method instead of checking real evidence. The other embassies who did check still give letters. 

What embassies are currently providing the income verification letters? 

[jacko45k]

Just now, CMNightRider said:

What embassies are currently providing the income verification letters? 

All the rest.

[JackThompson]

46 minutes ago, Dmaxdan said:

Immigration only has the "hots" as you put it for the people who are getting their extensions through the back door, rather than the legitimate route.

If that were true, they would make it easier for those using the legit-route.  Instead, they make that progressively more difficult.

 

50 minutes ago, Dmaxdan said:

In doing so they are inevitably treading on the toes of those who are doing so legally.

This is not the only option.  They could, instead, investigate the 99% of corruption, which is arranged / facilitated by Their Own Staff!! 

 

46 minutes ago, Dmaxdan said:

It is the dishonest expats who don't have the funds available and use corrupt agents who are totally to blame for new, tighter rules. Nobody else.

Why haven't they rounded up all the agents still providing "sponsored" (i.e. "no money") extensions, then?   I don't mean a "here and there" arrest of someone bringing in Indians who work as underground consumer-electronics salesmen (per a "fake marriage" planted news-story). 

 

When I see the Big Name agents sitting at the table with the fingers pointed at them - alongside all the IOs who took the money - all the way up the chain - also being arrested and prosecuted (thousands?), then maybe I'll by this "clean up corruption" is more than a fairy-tale cover for increasing agent-money proceeds.

With the money-in-the-bank method, they have only increased the seasoning - but seasoning isn't enforced At All for agent-facilitated extensions.  Therefore, all this change does is increase the burden on the law-abiding, and cut out any "loaned money competition" from non-agent lenders, who don't pay corruption-money to immigration.

[VocalNeal]

Blame the Nigerians with dodgy visa agents?

[robblok]

1 minute ago, CMNightRider said:

What embassies are currently providing the income verification letters? 

Dutch, German and Scandinavian countries (dont know all others but the ones who did checks b4). But they did checks before not the swearing without checks. Its all about that the swearing without proof is just not credible anymore.  

[ThomasThBKK]

Then get a job here, if you can't [because your skills are neither required or valued] then go somewhere else and stop bitching that you cant get a visa here.

I have an elite visa. So no thanks.

My company works in IT and will stay in singapore.
There's no IT talent in thailand, it would be impossible to even setup a subsidy here.
I couldn't even fully own it without bs thai nominees.


I am not complaining, the op is. Saying that it's so hard for retirees even tho the retirement visa is by far the easiest to get is hilarious.

The age restriction is bs too.

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[JackThompson]

25 minutes ago, stud858 said:

I think it's about proud thai people wanting the country for themselves.

Like Australia and other whitey countries. There's the debate. Racist or proud. A bit of both.

Are the immigrants coming into Western countries bringing their own money and spending it to provide local jobs?  If ONLY They were!!

 

The "ray-cist" trope, along with the "jobs citizens won't do" lie (this 2nd one also used in Thailand), is produced by the corporations who want us all working for poverty-wages, and see mass-immigration flooding the labor market as the best way to achieve that goal. 

[CMNightRider]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

Is there somewhere in Chiang Mai I can find a gruntled expat?

If you visit Chiang Mai Immigration, you will able to see many disgruntled expats.  They show up there everyday. :-(

[Bluespunk]

5 minutes ago, ThomasThBKK said:

I have an elite visa. So no thanks.

My company works in IT and will stay in singapore.
There's no IT talent in thailand, it would be impossible to even setup a subsidy here.
I couldn't even fully own it without bs thai nominees.


I am not complaining, the op is. Saying that it's so hard for retirees even tho the retirement visa is by far the easiest to get is hilarious.

The age restriction is bs too.

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