What Brexit game is EU playing? British parliament leader Leadsom asks

[cliveshep]

Shan't so there. You remainers don't need brexiteers. You might have lost the referendum but you clearly know everything, we are just ignorant racist thugs and savages apparently, we apologise profusely and abjectly for upsetting your little world with our ignorant votes!

[SheungWan]

8 minutes ago, cliveshep said:

Shan't so there. You remainers don't need brexiteers. You might have lost the referendum but you clearly know everything, we are just ignorant racist thugs and savages apparently, we apologise profusely and abjectly for upsetting your little world with our ignorant votes!

A cry for help.

[cliveshep]

Samran: and watch the other 180 members of WTO sue your @r3es off for allowing that to happen.

 

Don't talk rubbish, Give all WTO including the Republic of Ireland MFN status and there is sweet fa they could do. Treat them all the same and problems disappear. It is in singling out one country that causes problems.

[nauseus]

10 minutes ago, samran said:

Why will the Irish suffer? Are the UK going to close off their markets?

The Irish currently send 50% of it's beef to the UK and there is a large flow of livestock and dairy just to and from NI. Now the EU say the CAP payment to Ireland may be cut by 5% (this cut may be more if there are no more contributions from the UK). 

 

If the UK eventually strike trade deals with non-EU countries then a lot of the beef may come from other parts of the world and the UK would have the ability to change tariffs and quotas in the future on agri-food products. 

 

All these things are likely to adversely affect Irish farmers and they know it. Their beef prices are already down and they are already after assurances of compensation from the EU.

[Chomper Higgot]

12 minutes ago, nauseus said:

The Irish currently send 50% of it's beef to the UK and there is a large flow of livestock and dairy just to and from NI. Now the EU say the CAP payment to Ireland may be cut by 5% (this cut may be more if there are no more contributions from the UK). 

 

If the UK eventually strike trade deals with non-EU countries then a lot of the beef may come from other parts of the world and the UK would have the ability to change tariffs and quotas in the future on agri-food products. 

 

All these things are likely to adversely affect Irish farmers and they know it. Their beef prices are already down and they are already after assurances of compensation from the EU.

Whereas British farmers will get zilch and face the destruction of their businesses by any free trade deal the UK begs cap-in-hand from the US.

 

But there you go, fail to plan, plan to fail.

[samran]

1 hour ago, cliveshep said:

The 4th Reich isn't working for them as it contains too many Muslims from Libya and Somalia preying on their wives and kids unchecked because it is politically correct to indulge in rabid "diversification".
 

 

25 minutes ago, cliveshep said:

......we are just ignorant racist thugs and savages apparently, we apologise profusely and abjectly for upsetting your little world with our ignorant votes!

 

you said it, I didn't...

[samran]

50 minutes ago, cliveshep said:

Ireland will get a choice the same as all the other EU countries - sell to us at competitive rates or not - your choice. Somehow I can see milk and beef crossing the border still with a blind eye on both sides! After all - HM Customs like a cuppa and a burger too!

 

18 minutes ago, cliveshep said:

Samran: and watch the other 180 members of WTO sue your @r3es off for allowing that to happen.

 

Don't talk rubbish, Give all WTO including the Republic of Ireland MFN status and there is sweet fa they could do. Treat them all the same and problems disappear. It is in singling out one country that causes problems.

Okay, so opening your borders totally then. Irish beef, Bangladesh beef...

 

Doesn't matter then.

 

Funny, I thought this was all about 'taking back control'.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

What real details of these "negotiations" have ever been published. Probably no meeting minutes either - the EU's preferred choice of record-keeping and transparency. Ha ha.

Let’s stick to facts.

 

Like the Government hiding the negotiations from Parliament and the British people.

 

Had it not been for ‘enemies of the people’ Theresa May would be enforcing her deal on the UK by executive order.

 

Time perhaps for a Brexiteers among us to revisit their comments on Gina Millar and the Courts.

 

[samran]

19 minutes ago, nauseus said:

The Irish currently send 50% of it's beef to the UK and there is a large flow of livestock and dairy just to and from NI. Now the EU say the CAP payment to Ireland may be cut by 5% (this cut may be more if there are no more contributions from the UK). 

 

If the UK eventually strike trade deals with non-EU countries then a lot of the beef may come from other parts of the world and the UK would have the ability to change tariffs and quotas in the future on agri-food products. 

 

All these things are likely to adversely affect Irish farmers and they know it. Their beef prices are already down and they are already after assurances of compensation from the EU.

So they take a 5% haircut on their revenues.....and??? Agricultural product prices go up and down by as much in a given season. Usually much more. 

 

Why is the UK going to have to strike a trade deal to import beef? It can do that already without a trade deal. Will be the same after a hard brexit.

 

And here is the biggie. Why after brexit do you want to impose tariffs and quotas? I mean, you are already going to lessen your export income as you'll be outside the EU tariff and regulatory wall, so you won't be able to sell as much to the EU as you presently do.

 

So why would you want to then make products to your own consumers more expensive (via tarrifs and quotas) when as a country you are going to be earning less. Talk about stoking inflation! It makes no sense...

[puipuitom]

6 hours ago, SheungWan said:

If Andrea Leadsom would be so kind to tell us what are the UK proposals re the border backstop.

Get the EU border 25 miles S.W. of Cork ! And for the border between Gibraltar and Spain..... ? Or the Channel islands and France ? ? Nobody thought about that !  Too far away for the Eton boarding school brains. And the rest of the British... still live in the Empire of queen Victoria.

[puipuitom]

5 hours ago, soalbundy said:

Breturn perhaps if there is a second referendum, or leave without a deal, let the chaos happen and reapply but then without the pound, maybe that was the establishments plan all along who knows, certainly not the pleb on the street.

Correct. Re-apply, no privileges, accept €uro, Schengen and right lane traffic. Before that: chaos, with a lot of "make" Industries leaving the U.K., for NOT returning anymore. Back to the times of Henri VIII

[evadgib]

2 hours ago, Spidey said:

The people of all Ireland would vote for unification tomorrow.

If the jocks had applied same we'd be shot aye-um the noo! ????

Edited March 10, 2019 by evadgib

[david555]

18 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Let’s stick to facts.

 

Like the Government hiding the negotiations from Parliament and the British people.

 

Had it not been for ‘enemies of the people’ Theresa May would be enforcing her deal on the UK by executive order. 

 

Time perhaps for a Brexiteers among us to revisit their comments on Gina Millar and the Courts.

 

Does she has no more those Henry VIII powers in her purse , which she " liked to have but say ,to never use them" …?

Edited March 10, 2019 by david555

[nauseus]

11 minutes ago, samran said:

So they take a 5% haircut on their revenues.....and??? Agricultural product prices go up and down by as much in a given season. Usually much more. 

 

Why is the UK going to have to strike a trade deal to import beef? It can do that already without a trade deal. Will be the same after a hard brexit.

 

And here is the biggie. Why after brexit do you want to impose tariffs and quotas? I mean, you are already going to lessen your export income as you'll be outside the EU tariff and regulatory wall, so you won't be able to sell as much to the EU as you presently do.

 

So why would you want to then make products to your own consumers more expensive (via tarrifs and quotas) when as a country you are going to be earning less. Talk about stoking inflation! It makes no sense...

I'm not saying what I want, just what might happen and I'm not talking about what we sell to the EU. Read it again. 

[evadgib]

7 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

Get the EU border 25 miles S.W. of Cork ! And for the border between Gibraltar and Spain..... ? Or the Channel islands and France ? ? Nobody thought about that !  Too far away for the Eton boarding school brains. And the rest of the British... still live in the Empire of queen Victoria.

If that's the best we can expect you should refrain from further participation.

(Remove the 'O' and insert an 'I'!)

 

[puipuitom]

5 hours ago, persimmon said:

If Parliament rejects Mays deal ( as seems likely ) then it looks like the only solution is another referendum or a  semi-permanent postponement of Brexit.

This is exactly what the EU and a majority in the HOC wants.

No! Get the U.K out, their industry will rush to continental EU, and a lot of their business will be out of competition as import duty wreck their prices seen EU production. The othwer way: gettign all in from far away: the seafreight will wreck these prices for a lot of items, so the U.K HAS to buy from EU.

Only way, as the British did in the past ( 1971) , when the Pound was worth Dfl 10,64 and now a just € 1,157 ( or x 2,20371 = Dfl 2,55; Yes 1/4) ???? bring your currency down to…  € 0,80 or so, to be able to compete again. Pity your costs of IMPORTS will rise the same…

 

So.. a HARD-as-possible Brexit is in the EU's interest, but a disaster for the British. But.. they voted in a landslide, never seen overwhelming mayority of 51,88 % for that.. ignoring 48,11 %

[samran]

10 minutes ago, nauseus said:

I'm not saying what I want, just what might happen and I'm not talking about what we sell to the EU. Read it again. 

I did read what you wrote. You are just missing half the equation. Your export income will initially go down ( you didn’t write that but it’s just a logical outcome) and you talk about tariffs which will raise prices of what you do import. 

[mrfill]

19 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

Get the EU border 25 miles S.W. of Cork ! And for the border between Gibraltar and Spain..... ? Or the Channel islands and France ? ? Nobody thought about that !  Too far away for the Eton boarding school brains. And the rest of the British... still live in the Empire of queen Victoria.

But the border between Gibraltar and Spain is a hard border with barriers, passport checks etc and the Channel Islands don't need a hard border as they are islands and people can't just walk over an invisible border. There are no barriers between ROI and the UK - some houses are even in two countries.

[puipuitom]

4 hours ago, smedly said:

Most of the Republics trade is with the UK mainland not N Ireland - go figure

This hard border between N - S Ireland will not affect Dublin, Cork etc, but for the people 20-25 km away from this border it will be a disaster. For S-Ireland, the break-ways of Wales with all its beef, pork will be a blessing, as imports into the EU of beef, port, sheep, poultry, fish (products) is quite difficult seen all veterinary and phytosanitaty regulations and inspections. With a hard-Brexit, FSA inspections are not of interest anymore.

[puipuitom]

4 hours ago, nauseus said:

By voting May out of office.

Just like no civil servant in the U.K. can be voted away by its U.K. citizens, the same is valid for the EU. However, the EU parliament is voted by all Europeans. The commissioners are appointed by the elected governments of the member states: one per member state. The council of (prime) ministers, elected again in their member states, are the superiour power in the EU. We have no House of Appointed Lords.

[Rv Hawee]

And we have elections this year ! How many % of Europeans citizens will "forget" to express their right ? then later complain ...

By the way, i am sorry for British people, but i think  the Brexit will be pretty hard on them but it have to happen.

 

[puipuitom]

1 hour ago, cliveshep said:

Ireland will get a choice the same as all the other EU countries - sell to us at competitive rates or not - your choice. Somehow I can see milk and beef crossing the border still with a blind eye on both sides! After all - HM Customs like a cuppa and a burger too!

Why looking to that littlebit of agricultural products… To give an idea: 50% of all car components used in the U.K. originate from the EU. THERE lies the problem: whatever parts and components… suddenly stuck in the ports seen customs clearance, import duty etc. And back again.. cars with 10% import duty into the EU... YOU believe Honda, turning the UK car production to Japan ONLY because of the diesel engine problem ? OR.. they do not want to tell the British consumer: we leave you.. but please buy our cars… as British made cars.. we cannot export anymore… And car export from Japan to the EU.. seen the new agreement, is free of import duty.  GET AWAKE !

[puipuitom]

3 hours ago, smedly said:

relies is the wrong word - pretty much everything we buy from the EU can be bought elsewhere - we don't rely on anything

of course. Only… might be a little higher in price.. + a little freight costs  + a little delay seen transport time...  Thanks to the 350 million pounds a week free for the NHS.. all problems will be solved...

[puipuitom]

42 minutes ago, mrfill said:

But the border between Gibraltar and Spain is a hard border with barriers, passport checks etc and the Channel Islands don't need a hard border as they are islands and people can't just walk over an invisible border. There are no barriers between ROI and the UK - some houses are even in two countries.

Please read the definition of "hard border". Has NOTHING to do with a physical hard border, like a wall or even an ocean in between, but all with a custom border, especially if mutual governmental inspections and regulations are not accepted.

To give you some ideas: on each food pack, the weight/volume is mentioned with an "e", meaning: average, in accordance with EU inspections, for the UK the FSA. After a no-deal, this can not be accepted in the EU,... as from any non-EU country, so has to be filled at MINIMUM. So a 1 ltr bottle "e", which could fluctuate +/- 3 %, every bottle MUST have at least 1000 ml. Drink cans are made for 250 ml "e" or 330 ml "e", but never to be filled with 250/330 ml minimum. Means.. end of export to the EU or print: 240 ml / 320 ml = new printing. Wooden pallets MUST have a "bugs free document” if from outside the EU... the CE certificate for toys, sports articles, electric devices etc... must be proven for every shipment.

You think, the “Eton boys” ever thought about that ?

[david555]

18 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

Please read the definition of "hard border". Has NOTHING to do with a physical hard border, like a wall or even an ocean in between, but all with a custom border, especially if mutual governmental inspections and regulations are not accepted.

To give you some ideas: on each food pack, the weight/volume is mentioned with an "e", meaning: average, in accordance with EU inspections, for the UK the FSA. After a no-deal, this can not be accepted in the EU,... as from any non-EU country, so has to be filled at MINIMUM. So a 1 ltr bottle "e", which could fluctuate +/- 3 %, every bottle MUST have at least 1000 ml. Drink cans are made for 250 ml "e" or 330 ml "e", but never to be filled with 250/330 ml minimum. Means.. end of export to the EU or print: 240 ml / 320 ml = new printing. Wooden pallets MUST have a "bugs free document” if from outside the EU... the CE certificate for toys, sports articles, electric devices etc... must be proven for every shipment.

 

You think, the “Eton boys” ever thought about that ?

 

I think they even didn't realize the whole package of mutual approved E.U. laws they go keep ,who must be transferred to U.K. laws ….and I think they can not just rubber stamp them as U.K.laws , but must pas the U.K. legal  way  …..with maybe possible amendments from those so intrusive H.O.C politicians to give their government a hard time , a job for month's ...years ..?

 

"Brexit" ...a decision never not good thought thru..

Edited March 10, 2019 by david555

[joecoolfrog]

9 hours ago, Loiner said:

Looks like the EU is playing a losing game at this point in time. We’ll be out without a deal.


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There is a clear Commons majority against a no deal Brexit , ergo if May's plan is not agreed there will be a delay or a second referendum.

Even the likes of Boris and Rees-Mogg now realise as much , if they dont support May then Brexit wont happen.

I would say the EU have played a blinder , mind you they held all the aces , despite Farage & co pretending otherwise.

Edited March 10, 2019 by joecoolfrog

[evadgib]

2 hours ago, SheungWan said:

A cry for help.

 

"I'm a Brexiter and i'm OK, I voted out and I'll gloat all day" ????

 

(To be completed in time for on 29th)

 

 

Edited March 10, 2019 by evadgib

[joecoolfrog]

2 hours ago, cliveshep said:

Shan't so there. You remainers don't need brexiteers. You might have lost the referendum but you clearly know everything, we are just ignorant racist thugs and savages apparently, we apologise profusely and abjectly for upsetting your little world with our ignorant votes!

A bit harsh but in certain repects very accurate.

Sarcasm only works well when the suggestion is unthinkable , yours however rings true.

[joecoolfrog]

2 minutes ago, evadgib said:

"I'm a Brexiter and i'm OK, I voted out and I gloat all day"

 

The reality is that unlike you im too poor to gloat , further weakening of Sterling would be very depressing.

[evadgib]

14 minutes ago, joecoolfrog said:

The reality is that unlike you im too poor to gloat , further weakening of Sterling would be very depressing.

The further we are from departure (after we actually leave) the less likely this will be.

BTW: I'm far from minted either.

 

Here's DD today:

 

Edited March 10, 2019 by evadgib