Britain in Brexit chaos - parliament crushes May's EU deal again

[puipuitom]

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

I'm not sure what it has to do with brexit, but it seems by the tone of your posts that the British are not on top of your Christmas card list. All this happened over 75 years ago, I think you should let go if possible, it is not healthy to hold grudges againgst posters on this forum that couldn't how ever much you tried be held responsible.

sorry, it was a reply on a remark nr 302 of evadgib towards De Gauille, who bit the hand who fed him, 20 years earlier.  

Edited March 13, 2019 by puipuitom

[Grouse]

Hammond has cleverly killed off the possibility of a no deal Brexit. He is also pushing for a soft Brexit ????

[Grouse]

And he's destroyed Labour's hopes for power.

 

I like Spreadsheet!

[Grouse]

Easily the best speech in parliament for years! 

[tomacht8]

2 hours ago, puipuitom said:

The problem with you British is, you have ZERO interest nor knowledge about the election systems in the EU.

The European parlement is directly elected by EU citizens aged 18 or older. on country bases. They elect their chairman = 

Donald Tusk is a Polish ( = EU member state)  politician who has been the President of the European Council since 2014. This institution comprises the college of heads of state or government of EU member states. He served as Prime Minister of Poland from 2007 to 2014. 

Jean-Clause Juncker = The President of the European Commission is the head of the European Commission, the executive branch of the European Union. The President of the Commission leads a cabinet of Commissioners, referred to as the college, collectively accountable to the European Parliament, which is directly elected by EU citizens.

There are over 70 MPs in the EU Parliament from the UK.

I am sure that more than 90% of the electorate in the UK can not name 10 of their EU Mps.

[metisdead]

A troll post has been reported and removed. 

[tebee]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I was answering CG1 Blue's (home goal) question.

 

But to address your point. 

 

It is the duty of the Government to deliver - they haven't. 

But there is now no practical and sane way to continue with brexit.

 

 

 

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, Grouse said:

You'll need to explain that again slowly for 52% of our brethren. Otherwise they'll miss the sound points you are making. It is true that far too little attention is paid to MEPs, their selection, election and activities. We would not be in the current mess if the UK electorate were better informed.

It's OK...  it was slow enough the first time.

[sanemax]

2 hours ago, Grouse said:

So what market sectors would you be inclined to protect and which would you subject to zero tariffs for the benefit of consumers?

Its not his job to decide that .

Experts within the government can decide that .

But I do believe that you are just asking questions , questions that people would have to have knowledge on the subject to answer , which most of us dont have and when you dont get a satisfactory answer , that will prove to yourself that you are really clever and everyone else isnt 

[sanemax]

3 hours ago, puipuitom said:

see google  Boris Johnson bus 350 million pounds for NHS

That is a suggestion as to what the money COULD be spent on , its not statement of intent 

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, Grouse said:

I think we have learnt to take far more care in the selection and voting for suitable people to be MEPs and MPs. There are some very poor characters that have been elected; especially MEPs. It reflects badly on all of us. Farage should never again be elected to any position. He has brought the country into disrepute.

His voters may disagree with your comments. I never really liked his style but I have to give him full marks for consistency. He has seen the flaws of the EU at first hand and made sure everyone can see them too, if they want to open their eyes! May is the prime candidate for disreputable behaviour and performance IMHO.

[damascase]

5 minutes ago, sanemax said:

That is a suggestion as to what the money COULD be spent on , its not statement of intent 

So if you call a friend and say ‘let’s go to the golf course’ you don’t have the intention to go to the golfcourse?

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, tomacht8 said:

There are over 70 MPs in the EU Parliament from the UK.

I am sure that more than 90% of the electorate in the UK can not name 10 of their EU Mps.

I’m not sure we need any more evidence of the ignorance amongst the British public wrt the EU, but thank you anyway.

[puipuitom]

1 hour ago, tomacht8 said:

There are over 70 MPs in the EU Parliament from the UK.

I am sure that more than 90% of the electorate in the UK can not name 10 of their EU Mps.

How many Dutch can name 5 of the 25 ?  Me not the names, but faces… yes ! I am not so much interested to know their names, but more what they achieve as I do not vote for persons, but for parties.

Every time I see lorries from all over Europe cross the border ( in my case the heavily fortified border between NL and B) ... seen the easiness to exchange products, capital and persons... I smile. Spare parts made in e.g. Belgium, used for making components in NL etc, and then brought ( I do not want to use the word "exported) to Germany and France. 

And.. how many of the House of Commons / House of Lords the British know ?  One ? The elected person from their constituency, for only ONE reason: to grasp as much as possible for THAT constituency. The rest of UK: the hack !

Edited March 13, 2019 by puipuitom

[puipuitom]

32 minutes ago, sanemax said:

That is a suggestion as to what the money COULD be spent on , its not statement of intent 

 I think, they first have to find a way, to fill the deficit caused by Brexit: 81 BILLION.. a year ?

https://www.resolutionfoundation.org/app/uploads/2017/11/Budget-response.pdf 

[vogie]

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m not sure we need any more evidence of the ignorance amongst the British public wrt the EU, but thank you anyway.

Probably not so much lack of ignorance, more a lack of interest.

[evadgib]

2 hours ago, puipuitom said:

sorry, it was a reply on a remark nr 302 of evadgib towards De Gauille, who bit the hand who fed him, 20 years earlier.  

Thus exposing the hypocrisy in your earlier post.

Edited March 13, 2019 by evadgib

[puipuitom]

4 hours ago, AlexRich said:

Yes, we took stuff under threat of force. Is that the new strategy?

Pity, the Chinese fleet now can fire back. Same with the Indian. 

[evadgib]

2 hours ago, Grouse said:

Easily the best speech in parliament for years! 

I'll reserve judgement til I hear it but IMO your 'Bringing the Country into disrepute' should not be levied in Farages direction as his actions have/will single-handily turn that lot inside out.  Action that is long overdue. 

Edited March 13, 2019 by evadgib

[tebee]

 

[elliss]

5 hours ago, puipuitom said:

 

          The big red  bus  must be saved  ,  you cant keep a good bus down , we have feelings you know .

             It will  return soon,  in Tory  Blue  livery , plastered with new edition UK passports,

available from France ..  . Good   day trip on the  now blue bus , too collect your  new EU visa,   and beg forgivness ,

 

 

Edited March 13, 2019 by elliss

[Opl]

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[nauseus]

35 minutes ago, tebee said:

 

Is she the hairy legs bird?

[evadgib]

50 minutes ago, evadgib said:

I'll reserve judgement til I hear it but IMO your 'Bringing the Country into disrepute' should not be levied in Farages direction as his actions have/will single-handily turn that lot inside out.  Action that is long overdue. 

 

[CG1 Blue]

6 hours ago, puipuitom said:

see google  Boris Johnson bus 350 million pounds for NHS

Unfortunately I've been busy all day, but I was waiting for this response. Maybe you have some trouble reading English, but it says:

 

We send the EU £350m per week. 

Let's fund the NHS instead. 

 

This is a suggestion that instead of sending millions to the EU we can choose to direct money toward our own priorities, such as the NHS. It does not say Let's spend £350m on the NHS as you had suggested. 

Furthermore, this was a campaign slogan and not a promise. Anybody who thinks Boris had the power in 2016 to promise where funds would be directed post-Brexit is naive at best. 

 

He was wrong to use the gross number anyway, but that's another story. 

 

 

[welovesundaysatspace]

8 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

It does not say Let's spend £350m on the NHS as you had suggested. 

 

 

[CG1 Blue]

4 hours ago, tomacht8 said:

There are over 70 MPs in the EU Parliament from the UK.

I am sure that more than 90% of the electorate in the UK can not name 10 of their EU Mps.

This is because the vast majority of the British population are not Europhiles, and have little interest in politics beyond our own Houses of Parliament. Most don't want or need a higher power.

We have never been enthusiastic about the EU. This is partly why we sat idly by while Major and Blair etc. sold us down the river with Maastricht and Lisbon. 

 

It's a shame the British public didn't wake up sooner to this, but better late than never. 

[CG1 Blue]

3 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

 

 

I was talking about the bus, but if this is a real picture and not photo-shopped, then fair enough. It still doesn't negate the fact he had no authority to allocate money, and it was just a slogan / suggestion. 

 

 

[AlexRich]

40 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Unfortunately I've been busy all day, but I was waiting for this response. Maybe you have some trouble reading English, but it says:

 

We send the EU £350m per week. 

Let's fund the NHS instead. 

 

This is a suggestion that instead of sending millions to the EU we can choose to direct money toward our own priorities, such as the NHS. It does not say Let's spend £350m on the NHS as you had suggested. 

Furthermore, this was a campaign slogan and not a promise. Anybody who thinks Boris had the power in 2016 to promise where funds would be directed post-Brexit is naive at best. 

 

He was wrong to use the gross number anyway, but that's another story. 

 

 

 

It was a clever marketing ploy, a word play giving Johnson the cover of "plausible deniability" ... unfortunately many people interpreted it as meaning that the NHS would receive this boost, and that is exactly what it was designed to do.

 

 

 

[tebee]

As brexit fails , the brexiters start tuning on one another .