Asked to show bank book again

[nahkit]

Back in February I submitted my paperwork to extend my stay by reason of marriage, something I have done for the last five years. I received my 30 day "under consideration" stamp on the 12th of February. About a week ago, I got a phone call from immigration to say that they wanted me to get another document proving marriage in addition to the one I had already provided. I believe it's called "Kor Ror Song", never been asked for it in the five years before, always just provided a document from the Amphur showing we are still married in addition to our marriage certificate. Went in and gave them the document and thought everything was fine. Yesterday, the 13th, I got another phone call from them asking me how much I now had in my bank account and saying they want to see my bank book again, updated on the day and with another letter from the bank.

 

I had already started using the money in the account after I got the 30 day approval so the balance was now below 400k. I went to the bank and deposited enough cash to bring the balance back up to 400k and also updated a second account that I had with around 70k in it and got letters from the bank for both accounts.

 

When I went to immigration with the updated passbooks there was a lot of shaking of heads and pointing to the fact that I had gone below 400k for a period of 10 days on my main account, the I/O refused to look at the other account, said they were only interested in the one I submitted with my application. 

 

They then told me it would be up to the "big boss" to say whether I would get my extension renewed or not. My 30 day approval is up tomorrow, the 15th so I'm wondering what are the options open to me if I get refused tomorrow, apart from "go home". I'm thinking that I can probably get a new non-o visa based on marriage and start the application all over again but I'm wondering if as a stop-gap measure I can go out and back in again at a land border, coming back on a tourist visa?

 

The reason for asking this is that we (me, the wife, kids and grandchildren) have got tickets to the superbikes this weekend and so if I do have to leave on Friday I'm looking for a quick way back in, preferably through somewhere near to Buri Ram.

[PoorSucker]

You can get 60 days extension to visit your wife. 

[Justin Side]

Maybe they wanted the Kor Ror 2 to be a new updated one

I also got a phone call to supply a recent one rather than the 3 year old one I submitted at the application.

[4evermaat]

That means they are actually looking at the applications.   Late (vs checking this at the time they accept paperwork), but they are looking at them.

[nahkit]

  On 3/14/2019 at 5:22 AM, Justin Side said:

Maybe they wanted the Kor Ror 2 to be a new updated one

I also got a phone call to supply a recent one rather than the 3 year old one I submitted at the application.

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I get new documents each year so nothing to do with it not being a recent document, first time they've ever asked me for the Kor Ror 2 so definitely the recent one, interestingly enough, they initially claimed I had submitted an old one and when we got them the document I noticed that there was no date anywhere on it to show whether it was issued recently or not.

[nahkit]

  On 3/14/2019 at 5:21 AM, PoorSucker said:

You can get 60 days extension to visit your wife. 

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Thanks

[ubonjoe]

  On 3/14/2019 at 5:26 AM, nahkit said:

I get new documents each year so nothing to do with it not being a recent document, first time they've ever asked me for the Kor Ror 2 so definitely the recent one, interestingly enough, they initially claimed I had submitted an old one and when we got them the document I noticed that there was no date anywhere on it to show whether it was issued recently or not.

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Are you sure it does not have this signed and dated stamp on it.

All of them my wife has gotten have had one on it.

[nahkit]

  On 3/14/2019 at 5:48 AM, ubonjoe said:

Are you sure it does not have this signed and dated stamp on it.

All of them my wife has gotten have had one on it.

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Yes, you're right, there is a date on it, I hadn't noticed it as it's covered by the stamp, can just make it out if you look closely enough. Lot easier to see in this picture than it is on the actual document.

[55Jay]

The natives are restless about our financials and visa agents. 

Been going on for months. 

Plastered all over the internet/media. 

 

[ozmeldo]

In Bangkok, I was specifically asked for an updated KR2 whereas before I was actually told the first was only necessary.

 

With the money, are you stating that you had your marriage extension, past the 30day mark. I understand they called you back for KR2...but are you stating that they took you to task and may now deny your extension because you let your balance drop below 400k? Please clarify. Thx

[nahkit]

  On 3/14/2019 at 7:59 AM, ozmeldo said:

In Bangkok, I was specifically asked for an updated KR2 whereas before I was actually told the first was only necessary.

 

With the money, are you stating that you had your marriage extension, past the 30day mark. I understand they called you back for KR2...but are you stating that they took you to task and may now deny your extension because you let your balance drop below 400k? Please clarify. Thx

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Yes, after calling me back for the KR2 last week they called me back yesterday and asked to see the updated bank book (yesterday was day 28 of the 30 day mark). I was below the 400k mark but bumped it back up (plus had another account) but they were only interested in the fact that it had dropped below 400k.

[nahkit]

Strange thing about the KR2 was that when I took it to them, the I/O just looked and grunted. Asked him if he wanted a photo-copy said no, asked if he wanted me to sign it, said no, but they had asked me to sign every other document that I submitted, both original and copies.

 

Took copies of the updated bank book yesterday and asked me to sign them so no idea why they didn't want a signature on the KR2.

 

[mosan]

Did you not know that checks were being made during the 30 Day under consideration period???

 

[nahkit]

  On 3/14/2019 at 8:15 AM, mosan said:

Did you not know that check were being made during the 30 under consideration period???

 

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No, never happened to me in the previous 5 years.

[mosan]

Forget the previous five years, we're talking about now and the series of events that has taken place over the last five months.  Have you been keeping up or are you not aware of what has been happening?

[nahkit]

  On 3/14/2019 at 8:23 AM, mosan said:

Forget the previous five years, we're talking about now and the series of events that has taken place over the last five months.  Have you been keeping up or are you not aware of what has been happening?

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From reading on this forum my impression was that the only people affected were those doing a retirement visa.

[mosan]

The only extensions that are subject to the 30 day under consideration are extensions based on marriage...and occasionally one or two for retirees, but those were the exception not the rule.  Consequently, since about 5 months ago, there have been several reports about checks during the under consideration period.  All is not lost...you can always get another Non-Imm O and re-apply if necessary. 

[rott]

  On 3/14/2019 at 8:23 AM, mosan said:

Forget the previous five years, we're talking about now and the series of events that has taken place over the last five months.  Have you been keeping up or are you not aware of what has been happening?

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Where exactly has it been stated that checks (previously not made) will now be made during the 30 day under consideration period? Missed that one myself.

[mosan]

Just do a quick search, I don't have the posts off the top of my head, but they are in fact here...  It's not written requirement for extensions based on marriage, but two or three posters have mentioned they were checked and/or told not to touch their 400K until their extension is in fact approved...

 

[NanLaew]

  On 3/14/2019 at 8:37 AM, mosan said:

Just do a quick search, I don't have the posts off the top of my head, but they are in fact here...  It's not written requirement for extensions based on marriage, but two or three posters have mentioned they were checked and/or told not to touch their 400K until their extension is in fact approved...

 

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Correct. The only thing that is unchanged is that different Immigration offices will apply their own rules. For example, Jomtien wants the Ret Ext applicant to come back after 90-days with their bankbook and a letter so they can check that their 800 k hasn't been touched. Chaeng Wattana and Udon Thani have not asked for this (so far). AFAIK, the extra oversight hasn't been requested at these office for a Mar Ext. Maybe it has but the victim isn't a TV member (yet).

 

The OP's signature indicates that he is probably dealing with Khon Kaen but if he could either confirm this or be more specific, it may be of value to someone filing the same sort of extension at the same office.

 

YMMV

[ParadiseLost]

  On 3/14/2019 at 8:31 AM, mosan said:

All is not lost...you can always get another Non-Imm O and re-apply if necessary.

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That would be worst case scenario... As per Ubonjoe, you can get a 60 day extension to re-seed the money.

 

Going under the 400k has always been a no-no. With the current atmosphere I am hesitant to withdraw anything - even that in excess of the 400k.

 

My application was submitted 13 Feb and I now have to wait until 27 March; stupidly, I forgot to take out extra so emailed (Samui) Immigration last week, inquiring as to the possibility of taking out 10k ...no reply as yet. ????

[55Jay]

  On 3/14/2019 at 8:26 AM, nahkit said:

From reading on this forum my impression was that the only people affected were those doing a retirement visa.

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Immigration has been chasing the various, well known visa shenanigans for the past 2~3 years in particular.  They kicked off again recently by challenging Embassy income affidavit procedures, then moved on to target fraudulent financial representations in support of extension requests made by individuals and/or visa agents.

 

I also thought you seemed a bit out of the loop, as well referring to your 30-day Under Consideration stamp as an "approval".

 

Given recent events, fiddling with the 400k in the bank during the 30-day under consideration period, was just asking for trouble.  You don't sound dodgy to me and I hope they cut you some slack.  Good luck. 

[ukrules]

If you had 400k in the bank at the date of application then I would have thought that is good enough.

 

You're not supposed to put your life on hold and stop spending money while they make their consideration.

 

These people are beyond stupid.

 

Edit : Next rule change will be to keep a minimum 400k in the bank all year around just like the retirees.

[Lovethailandelite]

  On 3/14/2019 at 12:32 PM, ukrules said:

If you had 400k in the bank at the date of application then I would have thought that is good enough.

 

You're not supposed to put your life on hold and stop spending money while they make their consideration.

 

These people are beyond stupid.

 

Edit : Next rule change will be to keep a minimum 400k in the bank all year around just like the retirees.

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The next rule change will be too the Malaysian bond style system

[ParadiseLost]

  On 3/14/2019 at 12:43 PM, Lovethailandelite said:

The next rule change will be too the Malaysian bond style system

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Isn't there a govt saving bond here which pays out regular prizes?

 

Better than money sitting in a BB savings account...

[phutoie2]

  On 3/14/2019 at 8:31 AM, mosan said:

The only extensions that are subject to the 30 day under consideration are extensions based on marriage...and occasionally one or two for retirees, but those were the exception not the rule.  Consequently, since about 5 months ago, there have been several reports about checks during the under consideration period.  All is not lost...you can always get another Non-Imm O and re-apply if necessary. 

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Absolute tosh, you are just scare mongering. Stop posting on here. 

[mosan]

  On 3/14/2019 at 12:57 PM, phutoie2 said:

Absolute tosh, you are just scare mongering. Stop posting on here. 

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Absolutely not. I guess you did not take the time to do a minor search on the topic...here is just one for you.

 

 

[KiChakayan]

  On 3/14/2019 at 12:32 PM, ukrules said:

If you had 400k in the bank at the date of application then I would have thought that is good enough.

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This might be the issue: the IO may have considered that the date of application was the date when all required documents had been provided. Then there may be some logic in verifying that the OP had kept a 400k balance during the 2 (or 3?) months preceding the "actual" date of application.

[mosan]

  On 3/14/2019 at 1:06 PM, mosan said:

Absolutely not. I guess you did not take the time to do a minor search on the topic...

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[ParadiseLost]

  On 3/14/2019 at 1:06 PM, mosan said:

Absolutely not. I guess you did not take the time to do a minor search on the topic...here is just one for you.

 

 

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