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Very bad case scenario -- what if you're blacklisted but still have assets in Thailand?


Jingthing

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The way I see it,

if you have say a condo and a car and get blacklisted you need to have a very good ex-pat friend that you can rely on to help you out.

Using the services of a lawyer to sell all and forward money to you has as much chance of flying up in the air as I have. I would imagine his costs would be 80% of cash realised from the sale.

Don't imagine you'll get any sympathy from any authority here.

No-one except a trusted ex-pat friend will give a BRA.

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28 minutes ago, dcnx said:

If you have rental properties get with an agent. They can handle your properties while you’re gone and wire payments to you elsewhere.

 

Thai bank.... I wouldn’t keep too much in there. Keep enough, but don’t screw yourself.

 

You can get removed from a blacklist for around 1 million baht. Check with lawyers in Bangkok should that happen.

 

If this concerns you, plan for the worst and hope for the best. 

I wonder if you could arrange a condo you lived in to be turned over to a real estate guy to handle everything for rentals, obviously for a bigger cut than you could usually negotiate, but possibly better than nothing. But it seems to me for that to be real, you would need to sign documents, the tenants would need an "owner" for immigration purposes, so I'm not clear if that could really work. 

 

Thai bank -- many of us have at least 800K baht in there for visa purposes. 

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1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

I'm not aware of any report of anyone successfully fighting a blacklisting. 

Sneaking in to sell something like a condo sounds like you'd be asking to be sent to prison. 

Give it to fill in the blank. OK. But I'm asking whether there is any way to actually recover assets for the owner, if blacklisted.

 

Also to add even a 5 year blacklist would have similar results. So you're going to leave a condo unclaimed for 5 years? Seems like it wouldn't be your condo anymore after 5 years, but that's another question. 

You can contact probably condo management for fill the needed in your absence by online banking or direct payments or any other problem ….. also you can give any one you know in Thailand or any other country ...including your home country permission to check/rent your condo and secure the missing things because sudden order to leave Thailand (just an idea …..like said before condo handling is the easiest part in your doomsday scenario ...as concrete almost unmovable :thumbsup: )

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47 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I wonder if you could arrange a condo you lived in to be turned over to a real estate guy to handle everything for rentals, obviously for a bigger cut than you could usually negotiate, but possibly better than nothing. But it seems to me for that to be real, you would need to sign documents, the tenants would need an "owner" for immigration purposes, so I'm not clear if that could really work. 

 

Thai bank -- many of us have at least 800K baht in there for visa purposes. 

Could be done online between both party's , Staying in Cambodia (even temporary …). remember that you can in Thai baht notes only 50 000 baht  cash ..... but to Cambodia 350 000 , (before 500 K) and changing to a western currency in short notice could be a little problematic .Cambodia would be my first option if would happen to me , as cheap flights (paid by me of course ) for a helping hand to come over to arrange things .

Cash under control is the first emergency thing to secure 

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20 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

In such a case there is, like always, the optimistic and pessimistic approach. 

 

Here in this particular case there is also the realistic approach. 

 

Optimists don't have to plan anything as nothing will happen to them. 

 

Pessimists should start to take actions now. 

 

Selling their Condo now and continue to 

live here in renting, sell the car/motorbike and use the Bath bus, eventually taxi and walk. 

The biggest possible amount of cash should always being immediately available. 

 

The realistic approach would being to take your chances, not ignoring that people are deported, but that there is a minimal possibility it may be yourself. 

 

 

And of course there is also :

Doing nothing that may give a possibility to Immigration to eventually deport you. 

 

Something the gross of us apply. 

 

But  this is not really relevant for this topic. 

Makes me a balanced pessimist …. as I made my cash at most available on 1 card where that amount is not on …. but the other mother card allows internal immediate transfers ...to the daily in use card if needed urgent ..! besides enough foreign cash at hand 

 

BTW  @Jinthing a tip for next doomsday topic  could happen ….what if you sudden are victim of bank fraud internet way or other …..and your 800K is missing or under level ….. not your fault , but can happen and immigration shall not make exceptions …?

Enjoy JT.:clap2:

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2 hours ago, Bang Bang said:

 I like being in a configuration in which I can pick up stakes and be gone without a trace in 24hrs. I've been here now more than 10 years living light. It's alright.

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FWIW I think it's an interesting question. I could easily imagine people seriously affected by recent rule changes, who've invested their money in property, car and life here. They may have a pension from their home country that's more than sufficient to live on, but no longer qualifies to get them an extension under the new rules. If the stress of the whole thing put them into an overstay situation and they got caught, deported and blacklisted, what recourse might they then have to their assets?

 

I agree the comments earlier in the thread that the safest bet is probably a trusted friend to whom power of attorney could be given. If there's money in the bank, give the friend the ATM card to drain the account and get the money wired out via Deemoney or something similar. No idea regarding lawyers, but none of the hypothetical options look very pretty. 

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Blacklisted for how long? One year? Go somewhere for a year, come back and pick up where you left off. No big deal. Blacklisted for 10 years? I think more than a one day overstay.


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7 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

Jingie, I think your concerns are genuine so not about to take the piss.

However you now have perhaps 3 threads running about worst case scenario. Why not just worry about yourself rather than others. Get you s### together and you can stay in los. Take a chill pill

Maybe he is worried about himself.

 

IMO, the person blacklisted is screwed if he has any of the things mentioned, unless can get a friend to come and get it for him.

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7 hours ago, NCC1701A said:

and this is why we have rule number one for living in Thailand.

 

Never bring more into the country than you are willing to lose.

 

 

Never heard of that one ..how many more are there?

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7 hours ago, NCC1701A said:

and this is why we have rule number one for living in Thailand.

 

Never bring more into the country than you are willing to lose.

 

 

Yes, that's rule No. 1, but how many will bring in 800k, because they now have to, which earns them next to nothing, and can't be accessed for a period of time? 

 

To a degree, isn't that effectively "losing" it? 

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happen to have a copy of my condo ownership documents in the U.S. Would that help at all?

 

I would hope that everybody has a copy / scan of every personal document and up to date posted to your own e.mail account or a cloud storage etc.

 

I'm aware of one farang in BKK who worries way too much, he panics at every posting on these subjects, and he panics about changes in the weather etc., he spends a couple of hours every day ensuring he's got an up to date document about everything all scans everything and quickly posts to his 3 e.mail accounts, plus he posts to his son's e.mail account (son located in the UK) he scans all of his several bank savings accounts every 48 hours, and posts.

 

His 3 e.mail accounts are different providers, and he keeps the same copies / scan in some form of cloud storage.  

 

(Further, he has every water, telephone, electricity bill, all with some form of receipt for payment for at least the last 5 years. Plus he keeps all the receipts / purchase listings from the Foodland supermarket he frequents. He's convinced they might be needed sometime in the future.)

 

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40 minutes ago, scorecard said:

I'm aware of one farang in BKK who worries way too much, he panics at every posting on these subjects, and he panics about changes in the weather etc., he spends a couple of hours every day ensuring he's got an up to date document about everything all scans everything and quickly posts to his 3 e.mail accounts, plus he posts to his son's e.mail account (son located in the UK) he scans all of his several bank savings accounts every 48 hours, and posts.

 

His 3 e.mail accounts are different providers, and he keeps the same copies / scan in some form of cloud storage.  

 

(Further, he has every water, telephone, electricity bill, all with some form of receipt for payment for at least the last 5 years. Plus he keeps all the receipts / purchase listings from the Foodland supermarket he frequents. He's convinced they might be needed sometime in the future.)

 

Sounds pretty damn smart to me, seeing that some of the requests from Thai officials are quite frankly outrageous. I think I'm going to buy a scanner tomorrow, but knowing Thailand, a scanned and printed copy wouldn't be accepted anyway, so not sure that it's any use other than to make me feel better.

 

If the official is not in a good mood, it doesn't matter what paperwork you give them, they will find a way to refuse you. I've had people tell me that two signatures of mine, done a couple of months apart were not identical enough so I was sent away, never had this happen to me anywhere else in the world so I could only assume that they were holding out for me to "drop" a thousand baht note on the floor. I'm brutally aware of the fact that arguing in Thailand gets you nowhere, and pushing and forcing a situation causes them to lose face if you prove to be correct. Better to come back the next day or go somewhere else.

 

But even with all these issues, Thailand is still better than my home country in so many ways.

 

However, : "Don't let yourself get attached to anything you are not willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat if you feel the heat around the corner".

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23 minutes ago, Leaver said:

Yes, that's rule No. 1, but how many will bring in 800k, because they now have to, which earns them next to nothing, and can't be accessed for a period of time? 

 

To a degree, isn't that effectively "losing" it? 

Interest rates in the West have been lousy for the past decade, and a FD here may well slightly improve on them.

 

But the old adage about walking away still holds true. It's not about poor investment returns, but much more about the risk of losing everything. 

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1 hour ago, Leaver said:

only a fool would get 1.5% instead of 8% for their money

Question of priorities.

Some prefer the tranquility of mind ( no worries so far with the 800000 on a bankbook and observe the rules attached to) than obtaining a few thousand more interest. 

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8 hours ago, Jingthing said:

 

I just heard of a case of a man deported and blacklisted for a ONE DAY overstay. Not at the airport of course where it would have been OK. 

 

ONE DAY after the 90 days overstay i presume!!!!!!

 

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17 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

Question of priorities.

Some prefer the tranquility of mind ( no worries so far with the 800000 on a bankbook and observe the rules attached to) than obtaining a few thousand more interest. 

tranquility of mind is my no1 priority,

but after witnessing never-ending changes to visa, on nearly a yearly basis for well over a decade,

and reading of denied/expelled every week on tvf,

that just isnt going to happen without citizenship

or at least permanent residency

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