Do you believe in God and why

[Sunmaster]

6 hours ago, soalbundy said:

I don't think we are but we are through scientific study becoming more aware of how to formulate what we don't know. What Donald Hoffman shows is the theoretical mechanics of 'what is' but not WHY or even HOW, he says himself in interviews that of course he is just as trapped as everyone else even though when he looks at an apple he knows it is a semblance of conscious agents and not the reality that he experiences, he can't experience a conscious agent, he sees an apple just as he has evolved to see. We don't have the tool box to see reality, if we did we wouldn't exist. The mystery will therefore always remain, hence humanity's need for religion. Tom Campbell with his trilogy of 'My Big Toe' goes even further than Donald Hoffman but for me that is more in the realm of theoretical thinking than theoretical physics, in a sort of convoluted way of thinking I have considered a connection to Hinduism in his way of thinking, he has a path of higher and higher hierarchies, 'free will units of consciousness' from 'seperate units of consciousness' with data streams that go to the absolute unit of consciousness with perhaps another higher data stream, it's difficult to follow because language can't be used to describe everything so metaphors have to be used. I don't think it is necessary to KNOW, it's just interesting to consider that our death will be just as virtual as our life. Perhaps some mystica are able to,if not see reality, realize it fully for themselves, Nisargadatta an indian mystic once pointed to the earth with one hand and to the sky with another saying "I am That''

Yes. Isn't all this what i.e. Hinduism has been saying all along? This reality is Maya. 

Maya, (Sanskrit: “magic” or “illusion”) a fundamental concept in Hindu philosophy, notably in the Advaita (Nondualist) school of Vedanta.

 

Brahman, on the other hand, is what is behind Maya and also the source of Maya (the illusion).

You say we don't have the toolbox to see reality as it really is (see Brahman). Truth is, we all have this toolbox! Even Jesus said that “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you”.

All mystic traditions point to Brahman and say we all can experience it. It's the goal of yoga and meditation. Thousands of books have been written about it and 1000s of years of accumulated knowledge about it exist.
 

 

[soalbundy]

53 minutes ago, Tagged said:

Why you so mean? Only 8 people survied the big flood. You did not read the great book Sir?

Lots and lots of books which is why I am a sceptic, I've even read all the Harry Potter books but I don't believe there is a Hogwarts.

[ivor bigun]

Come on boys only one more reply and i hit 5000. who would have thought it?????

[soalbundy]

Just now, Sunmaster said:

Yes. Isn't all this what i.e. Hinduism has been saying all along? This reality is Maya. 

Maya, (Sanskrit: “magic” or “illusion”) a fundamental concept in Hindu philosophy, notably in the Advaita (Nondualist) school of Vedanta.

 

Brahman, on the other hand, is what is behind Maya and also the source of Maya (the illusion).

You say we don't have the toolbox to see reality as it really is (see Brahman). Truth is, we all have this toolbox! Even Jesus said that “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you”.

All mystic traditions point to Brahman and say we all can experience it. It's the goal of yoga and meditation. Thousands of books have been written about it and 1000s of years of accumulated knowledge about it exist.
 

 

Yes I agree there, 'experience it' but without any real knowledge of what is experienced, describe the taste of chocolate. All the mystics (Jesus was a misunderstood mystic) point to a truth, they are pointing towards the road to London but they aren't in London, they are saying this is the way there and everybody mistakes the road for London.

[snatur]

A god (depending on the context also goddess) or deity is usually referred to as a supernatural being who has a great and not scientifically describable transcendent power.

In the understanding of mythologies, religions and beliefs, special worship and attributes are attributed to one or more gods, often including the property of being the first origin, creator or creator of reality.

Even ideas of a non-essential, impersonal "divine power" are sometimes referred to as God - due to a lack of understanding of foreign religions or for reasons of simplification.

With God without further determination, an all-encompassing God is usually designated. Metaphysics also deals with the question of the properties and existence of such a god.

Depending on personal competence in relation to telepathy, telekinesis or the materialization by mental power, the healing of serious illnesses by mental power, supernatural perceptions, or actions....

The question sometimes arises whether the skills of a so-called god are, if only partially, in a person , or a person is a god in himself, a creator or something similar.

Back to the direct question.

If man is not a so-called god in himself, there should be no doubt that there must be a god or a creator.

In view of the diversity and the complex structure of any kind on our planet.

Ultimately, it could be discussed whether this god then exists as a creator in another dimension, which is often referred to as heaven, or it may be that this god represents a life form that may not come from our earth, i.e. simply an extraterrestrial being.

More detailed explanations can be found in reports of near-death experiences or in meditative out-of-body experiences.

[Tagged]

1 minute ago, soalbundy said:

Lots and lots of books which is why I am a sceptic, I've even read all the Harry Potter books but I don't believe there is a Hogwarts.

My favorite is Marco Polos travels, it had a huge impact on my life reading that at 11 years old. I believed every word written in it at that time. 

 

My post was ironic the one you first answered to. 

[Sunmaster]

6 hours ago, soalbundy said:

Yes I agree there, 'experience it' but without any real knowledge of what is experienced, describe the taste of chocolate. All the mystics (Jesus was a misunderstood mystic) point to a truth, they are pointing towards the road to London but they aren't in London, they are saying this is the way there and everybody mistakes the road for London.

Yes. They have "been there" and then pointed out the path they took so that others may follow in their footsteps. 
'experience it' but without any real knowledge of what is experienced.
That's why I think it's important to practice/experience under the supervision of a teacher, because they can help us make sense of what has been experienced.

[Sunmaster]

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[Tagged]

37 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

 

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What does that number means man? 

 

Number 5000 represents a spectrum of energies of number 5

The Five in the message of heaven in this case is a warning. It warns that even the manifestations of the best qualities must remain within reason. Your constant desire for absolute independence has a negative effect on your well-being. Haven’t you noticed it yourself?

[soalbundy]

1 hour ago, snatur said:

A god (depending on the context also goddess) or deity is usually referred to as a supernatural being who has a great and not scientifically describable transcendent power.

In the understanding of mythologies, religions and beliefs, special worship and attributes are attributed to one or more gods, often including the property of being the first origin, creator or creator of reality.

Even ideas of a non-essential, impersonal "divine power" are sometimes referred to as God - due to a lack of understanding of foreign religions or for reasons of simplification.

With God without further determination, an all-encompassing God is usually designated. Metaphysics also deals with the question of the properties and existence of such a god.

Depending on personal competence in relation to telepathy, telekinesis or the materialization by mental power, the healing of serious illnesses by mental power, supernatural perceptions, or actions....

The question sometimes arises whether the skills of a so-called god are, if only partially, in a person , or a person is a god in himself, a creator or something similar.

Back to the direct question.

If man is not a so-called god in himself, there should be no doubt that there must be a god or a creator.

In view of the diversity and the complex structure of any kind on our planet.

Ultimately, it could be discussed whether this god then exists as a creator in another dimension, which is often referred to as heaven, or it may be that this god represents a life form that may not come from our earth, i.e. simply an extraterrestrial being.

More detailed explanations can be found in reports of near-death experiences or in meditative out-of-body experiences.

basically one could call anything that seems supernatural due to not understanding it 'God' Electricity, the sun etc. If as Donald Hoffman says physics should be turned on its head and not material but consciousness is the basis of everything then one could call consciousness God, I think it's a simplification through not understanding what consciousness is or how it arrived, so then there is a God that created consciousness and a higher God that created God. I think we are trapped in the human way of thinking, everything has a beginning and an end, everything must have been made, we partition everything into start and finish possibly due to our own mortality. A dream has a beginning and an end but is it real, the experience of the dream is real but does that make it reality? It has been said that whatever is real can't have a beginning nor an end must be unchanging and everlasting, doesn't sound like me or the universe. If space-time is an illusion as postulated by some physicists then nothing is real, not even the illusion exists, an illusion is not nothing it is mistaken identity of something. Alone our way of thinking stands in the way of knowing truth and I don't think we want to know it.

[mauGR1]

10 hours ago, Skeptic7 said:

I love wine too but there isn't enuff wine in France to make me believe a 600 yr old drunk dude built a boat with 1 window and herded all those species, from all over the world, inside and rode out a global flood, which never actually took place! ????

You can make fun of it if you like, but huge catastrophes happened in the past.

The Bible tale is surely inaccurate, and Noah and family were most probably not the only ones to survive, but there are other sources that you can find if you bother to have a look.

The history as we know will most probably be completely rewritten in the next few decades (that if an asteroid doesn't hit again )

[soalbundy]

Just now, mauGR1 said:

You can make fun of it if you like, but huge catastrophes happened in the past.

The Bible tale is surely inaccurate, and Noah and family were most probably not the only ones to survive, but there are other sources that you can find if you bother to have a look.

The history as we know will most probably be completely rewritten in the next few decades (that if an asteroid doesn't hit again )

I think all societies have a flood story, there is archeological proof of the flood in neolithic UK, doesn't mean it was God made due to the wickedness of mankind (what about all the newborn babies of the time or the animals who by nature can't be classed as wicked)

Then there were the volcanic eruptions in Siberia, the 'Siberian traps' around 250 million years ago and lasted for 2 million years, long before Homo sapiens but life in some forms or other survived although 95% of life then was wiped out, given half a chance life is resilient. During the time of Homo Sapiens There were great volcanic eruptions that almost put an end to mankind (the genetic bottleneck survives to this day). The ash record deep underground is particularly prominent in India, sharp glasslike residue which must have destroyed the lungs of anything breathing, the sky world wide must have been blanketed for years and yet a few of us survived praying no doubt to the God of that era.

[mauGR1]

8 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

I think all societies have a flood story, there is archeological proof of the flood in neolithic UK, doesn't mean it was God made due to the wickedness of mankind (what about all the newborn babies of the time or the animals who by nature can't be classed as wicked)

Then there were the volcanic eruptions in Siberia, the 'Siberian traps' around 250 million years ago and lasted for 2 million years, long before Homo sapiens but life in some forms or other survived although 95% of life then was wiped out, given half a chance life is resilient. During the time of Homo Sapiens There were great volcanic eruptions that almost put an end to mankind (the genetic bottleneck survives to this day). The ash record deep underground is particularly prominent in India, sharp glasslike residue which must have destroyed the lungs of anything breathing, the sky world wide must have been blanketed for years and yet a few of us survived praying no doubt to the God of that era.

Yes, lots to learn about the history of the planet, i find the frozen mammouth carcasses very interesting.

 Was it a sudden pole shift followed by mega tsunamis ?

[soalbundy]

2 hours ago, Sunmaster said:

Yes. They have "been there" and then pointed out the path they took so that others may follow in their footsteps. 
'experience it' but without any real knowledge of what is experienced.
That's why I think it's important to practice/experience under the supervision of a teacher, because they can help us make sense of what has been experienced.

How can you teach that which can't be taught, 'enlightenment' must include the death of 'me' and above all else the ego doesn't want to die. Clarity can be taught or the path to it but not enlightenment. My opinion is that the handful of people throughout history who could be called enlightened were born that way or at least the potential was always there as a genetic mutation of the brain and they usually didn't end well, the German christian theologian and mystic Meister Eckhart in the 1200's only survived being tried for heresy by dying before his trial. Speaking the truth about your religion no matter which one was usually repaid with torture and death.

[Sunmaster]

6 hours ago, soalbundy said:

How can you teach that which can't be taught, 'enlightenment' must include the death of 'me' and above all else the ego doesn't want to die. Clarity can be taught or the path to it but not enlightenment. My opinion is that the handful of people throughout history who could be called enlightened were born that way or at least the potential was always there as a genetic mutation of the brain and they usually didn't end well, the German christian theologian and mystic Meister Eckhart in the 1200's only survived being tried for heresy by dying before his trial. Speaking the truth about your religion no matter which one was usually repaid with torture and death.

Hmm, I guess you're right: enlightenment can't be taught, but the steps necessary to clear the path to reveal the state of enlightenment yes. That's why those who have reached that state claim that we are all already enlightened. We just haven't realized it yet.
I think enlightenment is not just a thing of the past, why would it be? There have been reports throughout all of history of such people and they exist up to this day.

 

A short list of the best known masters:
 

NAME	YEAR	COUNTRY	SPIRITUAL TRADITION
Adi Shankara	788-820	India	Advaita Vedanta
Adyashanti	1962-Present	United States	Zen
Amma	1953-Present	India	Vedas
Ashtavakra	Unknown	India	Vedas
Atisha	980-1054	Bangladesh	Buddhism
Baal Shem Tov	1704-1772	Poland	Judaism
Bahá'u'lláh	1817-1892	Iran	Bahá'í Faith
Bahaudin	1318-1389	Uzbekistan	Sufi
Basho	1644-1694	Japan	Zen
Bayazid Bastami	804-874	Iran	Sufi
Bernadette Roberts	1931-Present	United States	Christianity
Bodhidharma	5th Century CE	India	Zen
Buddha	483-400 BCE	Nepal	Buddhism;
Chandrakirti	600-650	India	Buddhism
Chuang Tzu	369-286 BCE	China	Taoism
Dadu Dayal	1544-1603	India	Advaita Vedanta
Dogen	1200-1253	Japan	Zen
Eckhart Tolle	1948-Present	Germany	Eclectic
Franklin Merrell-Wolff	1887-1985	United States	Advaita Vedanta
Gangaji	1942-Present	United States	Advaita Vedanta
Gendun Gyatso Palzangpo	1492-1552	Tibet	Buddhism
George Gurdjieff	1866-1949	Russia	Fourth Way
Gopi Krishna	1903-1984	India	Yoga
Hakim Sanai	1131-1141	Afghanistan	Sufi
Hakuin	1686-1769	Japan	Zen
Heraclitus	535-475 BCE	Greece	Philosopher
Huang-po	Unknown-850	China	Zen
Hui-Neng	638-713	China	Zen
Hyakujo	720-814	China	Zen
Ibn Arabi	1165-1240	Syria	Sufi
Jean Klein	1912-1998	France	Advaita Vedanta
Jesus Christ	4 BC - 33 CE	Israel	Christianity;
Jiddu Krishnamurti	1895-1986	India	Advaita Vedanta
Jnaneshvar	1275-1296	India	Yoga
Joshu Jushin	778-897	China	Zen
Kabir	1140-1518	India	Bhakti
Kapila	Unknown	India	Vedas
Krishna	Unknown	India	Vedas
Kyozan	1907-Current	Japan	Zen
Lao Tzu	5th Century BC	China	Taoism
Mahakashyapa	5th Century BC	India	Buddhism
Mahavira	540-468 BC	India	Jainism
Mansur Al-Hallaj	858-922	Iran	Sufi
Marpa Lotsawa	1012-1097	India	Buddhism
Marshall Vian Summers	1949-Present	United States	New Message from God;
Meera	1498-Unknown	India	Bhakti
Meher Baba	1894-1969	India	Advaita Vedanta
Meister Eckhart	1260-1327	Germany	Christianity
Milarepa	1052-1135	Tibet	Buddhism
Mooji	1969-Present	Jamaica	Advaita Vedanta
Moses	1393-1273 BCE	Egypt	Judaism
Mother Meera	1960-Present	India	Bhakti
Muhammad	570-632	Saudi Arabia	Islam;
Nagarjuna	150-250	India	Buddhism
Nanak	1469-1539	India	Sikhism
Nansen Fugan	749-835	China	Zen
Narada	Unknown	India	Vedas
Naropa	1016-1100	India	Buddhism
Nicholas of Cusa	1404-1461	German	Christianity
Nisargadatta	1897-1981	India	Advaita Vedanta
Omar Khayyam	1048-1131	Iran	Sufi
Osho	1931-1990	India	Eclectic
Paramahansa Yogananda	1893-1952	India	Advaita Vedanta
Philo Judaeus	20-50 BCE	Egypt	Judaism
Plotinus	204-270	Egypt	Philosopher
Pythagoras	570-495 BCE	Greece	Philosopher
Rabindranath Tagore	1861-1941	India	Advaita Vedanta
Rajneesh	1960-	India	Osho
Ramana Maharshi	1879-1950	India	Advaita Vedanta
Ramesh Balsekar	1917-2009	India	Advaita Vedanta
Rinzai	Unknown - 866	China	Zen
Robert Adams	1928-1997	United States	Advaita Vedanta
Rumi	1207-1273	Tajikistan	Sufi
Sadhguru	1957-Present	India	Yoga
Sahajo	Unknown	India	Hinduism
Sant Rasila Ram ji	1921-2011	India	Radha Swami
Shankara	788-820	India	Advaita Vedanta
Socrates	470-399 BCE	Greece	Philosopher
Sri Ramakrishna	1836-1886	India	Advaita Vedanta
St. Catherine of Siena	1347-1380	Italy	Christianity
St. John of the Cross	1542-1591	Spain	Christianity
Subhuti	5th Century BCE	India	Buddhism
Swami Ramdas	1884-1963	India	Advaita Vedanta
Swami Rama Tirtha	1873-1906	India	Advaita Vedanta
Thomas a Kempis	1380-1471	Germany	Christianity
Tilopa	988-1069	India	Buddhism
Tsong Khapa	1357-1419	Tibet	Buddhism
Yeshe Tsogyal	757-817	Tibet	Buddhism
Zeno of Citium	334-262 BCE	Greece	Philosopher

 

Another list with more contemporaries here:
https://www.poehm.com/en/list-of-enlightened-people/

 

Also consider that there are many many more who we don't know about, or who weren't interested in being known.

 

6 hours ago, soalbundy said:

Speaking the truth about your religion no matter which one was usually repaid with torture and death.

This is true if we talk about religions where the dogma has strayed far from their core truth or religions where the majority of believers have a very superficial understanding of the teachings....Christianity and Islam come to my mind. In fact, I just read yesterday that the Christian doctrine incorporated the notion of multiple lives/incarnation up to around 500 AD, but was than changed because the guys with the funny hats thought it would compromise their power.

From: https://www.ancient-origins.net/history/hidden-beliefs-covered-church-resurrection-and-reincarnation-early-christianity-006320

Major Medieval Alterations

In the early medieval period, the doctrines of pre-existence and reincarnation only existed as Jesus’ secret teachings. In 553 AD this information was declared heresy at the Second Council of Constantinople. The Roman Church decided to destroy all the teachings which talked about it. The Catholic doctrine and the priests’ source of wealth could have been in danger if people believed that they would come back to life many times. The old knowledge faced the same fate as many ancient books by pre-Christian writers. The bishops were afraid of the knowledge which could prove that the institution of the Church wasn't the only option to bring “eternal life” to people.

I don't think Hinduism or Buddhism would have any problems accepting the truths we're talking about. In fact, I'm pretty sure they have known them for a long time already. 

 

 

Edited December 30, 2019 by Sunmaster

[Tagged]

1 hour ago, mauGR1 said:

The history as we know will most probably be completely rewritten in the next few decades (that if an asteroid doesn't hit again )

We have a quite accurate timeline of big happenings, and for sure there will come new big chatastrophes in near future. 
 

for every chatastrophe we have as specie got better terms for survival, and new life have got a chance as well to develope. Im wondering how most part of humanity would manage next chatastrophe, since there have been a downfall in physics as brain for survivel. I read our brain was on top of the game 10 000 years ago, and from there we have lost basic knownledge and instincts as well and Iq refered to survivel. 
 

people do not have to do nothing in tidsys society to survive, just be a free passenger on the trip from start to end. And also genes that would have died of natural selection, also have a natural right to survive and reproduce for the better and worse. 
 

I think I have been extremely lucky to be born at exactly these time when the revolution of free thinking and freedom to travel and make choices earlier generation had only for very few priviliged and rich people! 
 

What would the world have been without relegion? Would it been better or worse? Looking back at especially Europe and the colonizing of the other parts of the world, it could not have been worse than it have been historical seen! The wars, the abuse, the stealing, the genocides, the slavery, ..... It is all written down in the History.

 

For my part of the world, we had the best last 70 years, but we see new clouds in the horizon building up, I hold my breath for the next decades

[mauGR1]

10 minutes ago, Tagged said:

We have a quite accurate timeline of big happenings

Well, this is the only part of your post which i disagree with.

Apparently carbon dating is not accurate at all, for example Stonehenge, or the Sphinx could be anywhere between 5000 or 20.000 years old.

The Bible mention human giants living on the planet at some time, other cultures and traditions all over the globe have similar stories about giants.. But if you ask any scientists, they'll probably say it's impossible.

I think we know very little about the past of humankind and the planet, considering that script is only 4/5000 years old.

[sirineou]

5 hours ago, Sunmaster said:

Ok. I'll try to answer this to the best of my knowledge.

 

"If you pose the question "I wonder what my next thought will be " wouldn't then that be your next thought? "

I would say, yes and no. It depends who is asking the question.

 

If you have a look at my drawing below, you'll see a 'cross section' of our inner world. It's like a cross section of the sea. On the surface you can see big waves that arise from the water, come to their apex and then disappear into the sea again. This thought forms (1,2,3,4....) are produced constantly and normally we get attracted and caught up by them.
Something like this:
I see a bottle of milk. I think I need to go buy some more. Probably will go to 7/11 around the corner. Will take the bike to go there. (TF 1)
Do I have enough gas? <deleted>, need to stop at the gas station first. Where's the money? (TF 2)
Gas has really gone up in price! When will this stop? It's very expensive as it is already. (TF3)
And my pension obviously hasn't gone up like the gas. Need to economize more. Gotta stop with the beer I guess... (TF 4).

 

We all get caught up in this sort of chatter, and if you ever tried to close your eyes and just witness these thought forms, you know how difficult it is not to get trapped by them and get carried away on those waves. For many, this level of consciousness is the only one there is, because it's where they spend most of the (waking) time in.

 

Through the practice of meditation, you learn to step back (or go deeper, under the surface) and reach levels where the waves are observable from a distance. 

This is where I think I can answer the question "I wonder what my next thought will be ".
If you can step back and become the witness of your thoughts, you don't identify with them but you identify with something else. As a witness, you can watch the thought forms arise, grow and dissipate without getting carried away by them. The witness can wonder what the next thought form will look like.
 

At all levels there is an "I", but what this "I" is, is different on every level. For us it is "John Snow, born 1977 in New York, doctor, husband, father...", for someone more advanced it might be "I am the witness", for a very few it might be "I am that I am".

Does this make sense to you?

 

 

 

No , I am sorry but it does not . 

" We all get caught up in this sort of chatter" not all "chatter" is this sort of transactional chatter, considering inane matters , some of it is considering that which matters, 

Thank you for taking the time to make these wonderful drawings.Meditation does clear your mind, and I know that it has beneficial influences on the mind,It certainly clears the mind from"inane Chatter" but meditation does not bring to the table that which did not already exist. It allows you to better access that which already exists.

Meditate all you want.

If you have not educated yourself the next thought will certainly be a very relaxed , clear of inane chatter, uneducated one. 

 Thinking is like solving an algebraic equation graphically , the more points you plot, the closer you get to the answer.

 

[sirineou]

6 hours ago, Mike Teavee said:

Surely that would be your current thought....

 

Your next thought may be something mundane or might completely change your whole life...

 

E.g. 2 months ago I had a thought that questioned why was I still working, it just didn't make any sense as I wasn't happy & I didn't really need the money (OK we can all do with a little more of that) so the thought came to me "Why not retire", before I had that thought I was just going through the routine day-by-day, meeting-by-meeting, meaningless bollax-by-meaningless bollax... After that 1 thought I took steps and 1 month later was retired. 

 

It only takes that one thought to spark you into changing your life... 

• Maybe you'll decide to quit your job or come up with a radical idea that gets you a huge promotion
• Maybe you'll decide to leave the wife or marry the girlfriend
• Maybe you'll invent the "Next Big Thing" or maybe you'll decide to top yourself
• ... Or just maybe you'll decide to have  a slap up tea at Mrs Miggins Pie shop [Blackadder]

Anyway you think about it, your next thought is just that... YOURS... and that's free will 

 

The next thought is certainly yours . but is it? if the next thought is yours why does madison avenue exist?

[thaibeachlovers]

15 hours ago, ericthai said:

I've read the bible, went to catholic school, was an alter boy etc.  I understand all that.

 

why are we / the universe here??   

According to atheists for no reason at all. According to atheists, all the matter that formed the universe just appeared out of nothing, and evolved into suns, planets etc.

 

If I said to any person that I could make something out of nothing, they'd rightly think I was demented, but atheists think that however many trillions of tons of matter that it took to make the universe just magically appeared, from nowhere, and life just magically started for no apparent reason at all. Life the universe and everything is just a cosmic accident, and the laws of nature that guide everything in life the universe and everything just magically happened, for no reason at all.

Also they believe that after they die, everything they were and did in their life just becomes nothing, as there is no after life. They lived and died and it was all for nothing, apparently.

 

 

[Sunmaster]

20 minutes ago, sirineou said:

not all "chatter" is this sort of transactional chatter, considering inane matters , some of it is considering that which matters

Sure, it's not all about matters without much importance. We use our thought processes to solve important issues or make life changes as well. How often though have you heard of people who were desperately trying to find a certain solution to a math problem for example, that hard thinking brought them to a wall, and only when they stepped back, did something else and relaxed, the answer kind of came by itself? Where did it come from?

 

What I want to say is, there's a difference between thoughts about trivial matters and life changing thoughts. It's the intention behind them. The first take you on a rollercoaster ride, you don't control them, they control you.

The second type of thoughts are consciously constructed and focused thought forms.

 

No matter, when you meditate you have to take a step back from both of them.

Edited December 30, 2019 by Sunmaster

[thaibeachlovers]

5 hours ago, canuckamuck said:

All of this is just brain candy for the intellectual atheist. There is no way they are modeling creatures with different levels of reality/ awareness, that anywhere compares to actual creatures. We don't even know what we are aware of, and how much of our knowledge is instinctual or pre-programmed. We certainly can't model types of reality for other creatures. We can't even model climate accurately.

But lets give them sometime to provide evidence. They will probably discover God along the way. It's happened before.

WE only use part of our brain. No one knows what the rest is for. I hypothesise that once humans evolve to be able to use all their brain, they will understand "God", life the universe and everything.

[Sunmaster]

17 minutes ago, sirineou said:

but meditation does not bring to the table that which did not already exist. It allows you to better access that which already exists

Absolutely right. Meditation uncovers that which already exists. 

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4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

According to atheists for no reason at all. According to atheists, all the matter that formed the universe just appeared out of nothing, and evolved into suns, planets etc.

 

 

 

You must be kidding me? Never heard a selfclaimed athiest say anything close to that! A big bang is just a restart of a new universe most likely from an old collapsed one! I say most likely, since I believe in proven facts not faith or theories. Just common sense! 

 

[sirineou]

1 minute ago, Sunmaster said:

Where did it come from?

I understand what you are saying, and appreciate it. I am all for clearing one's mind of trivial matters , allowing you to concentrate . I do it all the time. but I am also aware that it will not take me to  place that does not exist.You can vecer contemplate the number 12 , it has prerequisites, you can't do it before understanding the number 1 and the number 2.  

So : where did it come from"  It was already there. Meditation  simply cleared away the destructions. 

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36 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Well, this is the only part of your post which i disagree with.

Apparently carbon dating is not accurate at all, for example Stonehenge, or the Sphinx could be anywhere between 5000 or 20.000 years old.

The Bible mention human giants living on the planet at some time, other cultures and traditions all over the globe have similar stories about giants.. But if you ask any scientists, they'll probably say it's impossible.

I think we know very little about the past of humankind and the planet, considering that script is only 4/5000 years old.

Well we have found many traces of giants, but no humans or alike yet! 
 

And I believe among scientists, the carbon dating is overall accepted. The Sphinx was built for a purpose, and most likely easy to date uppon those times when the pyramids was built. But if you consume alternative science there is alot of interesting complex history and science to read as conspirecy theories. Overload for most if you ask me. 

[thaibeachlovers]

5 hours ago, Sunmaster said:

For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you”.

Thank you for pointing that out. I've been trying to say that but in a way that explains it, but it's pointless, really. If someone doesn't want to even consider spirituality, why bother trying to explain it? Leading, horses and water etc.

 

Someone tried to use a Bertrand Russel quote to explain why God does not exist. Perhaps they would find it hard to accept that while Russel was clever in some ways he knew nothing about spirituality to say what he did.

There is no one so foolish as the person that thinks they know everything.