TM30 Required for 90-Days Notification?

[billsmart]

I have a Type-O visa based on Retirement. I extended in last December and it is good until December 2019.

I have a Thai "Yellow Book' showing my residency at my (wife's) home where I have lived for over 15 years. I have a pink "Thai ID" and a driver's license. 

 

My wife has never filed a TM30 in all my time in Thailand. I haven't traveled outside the country for 4 years, and the last time I stayed overnight anywhere else but my own (wife's) house was last December when I stayed in a hotel in Bangkok when I visited my embassy (US) to pick up my (last) letter verifying my income.

 

One other piece of information: Since my trip to Bangkok in December for one night, I did go in both later in December to extend my Type-O visa and again in February to do a 90-Day report, and neither of those times was anything mentioned about a TM30.

My question is, does my file have to have a current TM30 from my wife for me to complete my 90-Days application, and will it have to have a current TM30 in December for me to extend my Type-O visa?

 

Thanks for any help figuring this out.

Edited May 2, 2019 by billsmart
Added some information...

[ubonjoe]

If they have not asked for a TM30 form before I doubt very much they will ask for one when you do your 90 day report.

What you see posted on this forum only pertains to certain offices not all of them.

I have never been asked for a TM30 form either.

[briansbiology]

they are asking for them now. Nobody was asked previously as it is a new thing. Several teachers here were charged for lack of TM30

[ubonjoe]

Just now, briansbiology said:

they are asking for them now. Nobody was asked previously as it is a new thing. Several teachers here were charged for lack of TM30

Where?

[briansbiology]

bangkok

[Thailand]

Not required when doing 90 day by mail or online-yet!

Chances are yo will need it when renewing extension of stay.

[ubonjoe]

1 minute ago, briansbiology said:

bangkok

The OP is evidently not in Bangkok. There is a ongoing topic about Bangkok wanting them.

[zyphodb]

They asked for the first time here in Mukdahan...

[edwardflory]

If you are hosting a foreigner ( any Thai wife / husband / person or "" foreign dwelling possessor (renter)""  on your property, you need to inform immigration ( reference YOUR local IO for ""THEIR"" policy  ) of their presence BY FILING A TM-30.  Any private home owner ( loosely used ) who failed to report a foreigner staying with them "within 24 hours of their arrival" could be fined 1,600 to 10,000 baht for EACH unreported person per regulations. I have heard stories of 800THB fines.

 

So good old 'Joe', the friendly foreign drunk, comes for a visit, gets totally wasted, sleeps on the floor 'over night', and you are supposed to do a TM-30 on him according to regulations!

 

Check YOUR local IO for ""THEIR"" policy!!

 

Related info for renters...

IF your landlord does not or will not file a TM-30 and you have TM-30 PROBLEMS, try this:

I did a TM-30 signing as "POSSESSOR". Look at the SIGNATURE line on the form, strike out the 2 other titles.  Say to the IO something like;  my landlord is traveling, or why landlord is unavailable, and I can't contact him, I have signed the TM-30 as "POSSESSOR" because I just moved to the property, and am here to comply with the regulations - DON'T LIE about anything!!!!! ) Do within 24 hours.

If you plan your move in advance ( I try to do 30 days in advance ), you can get utility bills / deposit receipts / instillation paperwork to add proof to your legal "POSSESSION" of the property.

Have ORIGINAL Lease and 2 copies, complete a TM-28 ( some offices use a TM-47 instead ), complete a 90 day report ( TM-47 ), copy of PP photo page, copy of extension stamp page, copy of Departure Card ( TM-6 ), copy of entry stamp ( and re-entry stamps if you have ) page. Hand the " package" to the IO within 24 hours ( open IO days - best to move after 6PM on a Friday ) of moving ......

Its overkill, but I was done in  7 minutes at "MY" local IO" in BKK, the IO looked at me and said "Good" when I filed.

This was suggested by a IO neighbor of mine.

 

NOTE: "YES, Its the landlords responsibility to do a TM-30", But, YOU ARE responsible keeping YOUR necessary paperwork to stay in the Kingdom UP TO DATE, If missing paperwork, YOU pay the fine, and the infraction is ADDED to YOUR immigration computer file. QUIT bit¢¢ing about paperwork, I hate doing it also.

 

 

Edited May 3, 2019 by edwardflory
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[mtls2005]

Obviously, this is office dependent.

 

Online and mail submittal success also might be variable.

 

I've seen reports (on other sites) from Div 1/CW that in-person 90-days reports remain viable (as of Tuesday of this week) without a qualifying TM-30 associated with the record. That could change in a day, obviously.

 

I plan to try an online 90-day report on/about 10 May. I do not have a qualifying or current TM-30, AFAIK one hasn't been filed for me since a hotel stay in Hia Hin last year.

 

For the OP, I'd go prepared (documentation, potential fine) to file a TM-30 in person prior to the 90-day report. Once filed then that would cover you for your Dec extension, barring an int'l departure and arrival, and/or potentially a hotel stay where you get registered.

 

I did see this report on FB this morning, guessing that "today" means yesterday, Thu. YMMV.

 

 

 

Edited May 3, 2019 by mtls2005

[Griffo63]

39 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

Obviously, this is office dependent.

 

Online and mail submittal success also might be variable.

 

I've seen reports (on other sites) from Div 1/CW that in-person 90-days reports remain viable (as of Tuesday of this week) without a qualifying TM-30 associated with the record. That could change in a day, obviously.

 

I plan to try an online 90-day report on/about 10 May. I do not have a qualifying or current TM-30, AFAIK one hasn't been filed for me since a hotel stay in Hia Hin last year.

 

For the OP, I'd go prepared (documentation, potential fine) to file a TM-30 in person prior to the 90-day report. Once filed then that would cover you for your Dec extension, barring an int'l departure and arrival, and/or potentially a hotel stay where you get registered.

 

I did see this report on FB this morning, guessing that "today" means yesterday, Thu. YMMV.

 

 

 

This is all very confusing  - I did my 90 day report online a few days ago with no mention of TM30. My local office is CW

[Thailand]

19 minutes ago, Griffo63 said:

This is all very confusing  - I did my 90 day report online a few days ago with no mention of TM30. My local office is CW

I don't think they are competent enough to link TM30 and 90 online  reports.

A likely scenario is they wil do away with online 90 day reports. Leaving in person/proxy and by post with each requiring TM30 as an additional piece of tree.

Everything seems to be designed to make life more complicated here for some reason, ah, the good old days!

[norbra]

In Jan 2019 I submitted 90 day report online ,CW denied and added I must visit IM office and submit a TM30.

I had never in 10 years submitted a TM30 before so a couple of days later I submitted TM30 with my landlord in attendance this was accepted without penalty.

Have since done a 90 day report on line succesfully

Edited May 3, 2019 by norbra

[mtls2005]

45 minutes ago, Griffo63 said:

This is all very confusing  - I did my 90 day report online a few days ago with no mention of TM30. My local office is CW

 

Perhaps someone filed a TM-30 unbeknownst to you? Landlord? Hotel? Wife?

 

Again, I heard a first-hand report from Tue (Div 1/CW) no TM-30 issue with a 90-day report, but then I did see a comment elsewhere (FB) indicating an issue as of yesterday.

 

Imagine it will be confusing for a long time.

 

9 minutes ago, norbra said:

In Jan 2019 I submitted 90 day report online ,CW denied and added I must visit IM office and submit a TM30.

 

How did they notify you of the TM-30 issue? Was this in a return email? Or in the online status?

 

 

I do know someone who was rejected - no reason provided, at least that I was told - for an online 90-day report a few weeks ago. He visited CW, was told his current TM-30 status was Bumrungrad (based on a recent overnight stay in that hospital). He had to file a new TM-30, no fine, then he completed a 90-day report in person.

 

 

 

 

[norbra]

13 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

 

Perhaps someone filed a TM-30 unbeknownst to you? Landlord? Hotel? Wife?

 

Again, I heard a first-hand report from Tue (Div 1/CW) no TM-30 issue with a 90-day report, but then I did see a comment elsewhere (FB) indicating an issue as of yesterday.

 

Imagine it will be confusing for a long time.

 

 

How did they notify you of the TM-30 issue? Was this in a return email? Or in the online status?

 

 

I do know someone who was rejected - no reason provided, at least that I was told - for an online 90-day report a few weeks ago. He visited CW, was told his current TM-30 status was Bumrungrad (based on a recent overnight stay in that hospital). He had to file a new TM-30, no fine, then he completed a 90-day report in person.

 

 

 

 

The request to visit IM was shown in the lower portion of the "denied" area of the online application

[mtls2005]

Just now, norbra said:

The request to visit IM was shown in the lower portion of the "denied" area of the online application

 

Did it mention the TM-30 specifically?

 

 

[norbra]

5 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

 

Did it mention the TM-30 specifically?

 

 

Yes it did and a reminder to bring housemaster too

[brewsterbudgen]

Seems CW are arbitrarily enforcing TM30 reporting. Plenty posting that they are continuing to extend and do 90 day reports with no TM30 required; while some are being turned away if they haven't got a TM30 receipt.

Seems about normal!!

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[TigerandDog]

I don't believe this is new. When I first moved to the district I live in, in CM almost 3 years ago, a TM30 was done at the local Imm Office ( 90 day reports only at this office ).  However, when I went to do a 90 day report the IO asked me why I didn't have the bottom section of the TM30 stapled in my passport? Told her I wasn't advised that it needed to be. Fortunately my girlfriend was with me, and as it turned out she needed to submit a new TM30 as her mother had recently passed and the previous one was submitted by her mother as the property owner. My GF inherited the property and that is why it was necessary for her to submit a new TM30 at that time ( early 2017 ).  I've had the bottom section of the TM30 in my passport ever since, and I know it always gets checked, but I've never been asked for another one since.

Edited May 3, 2019 by TigerandDog

[mtls2005]

2 hours ago, norbra said:

Yes it did and a reminder to bring housemaster too

 

Thanks.

 

BTW, there is a PoA which can be used, along with all the other documentation, by the house-master delegating the reporting authority to you, or another third-party. 

 

 

Power-of-Attorney-Form (1).pdf

[NotYourBusiness]

5 hours ago, edwardflory said:

.....cut for clarity.....

Related info for renters...

IF your landlord does not or will not file a TM-30 and you have TM-30 PROBLEMS, try this:

I did a TM-30 signing as "POSSESSOR". Look at the SIGNATURE line on the form, strike out the 2 other titles.  Say to the IO something like;  my landlord is traveling, or why landlord is unavailable, and I can't contact him, I have signed the TM-30 as "POSSESSOR" because I just moved to the property, and am here to comply with the regulations - DON'T LIE about anything!!!!! ) Do within 24 hours.

If you plan your move in advance ( I try to do 30 days in advance ), you can get utility bills / deposit receipts / instillation paperwork to add proof to your legal "POSSESSION" of the property.

Have ORIGINAL Lease and 2 copies, complete a TM-28 ( some offices use a TM-47 instead ), complete a 90 day report ( TM-47 ), copy of PP photo page, copy of extension stamp page, copy of Departure Card ( TM-6 ), copy of entry stamp ( and re-entry stamps if you have ) page. Hand the " package" to the IO within 24 hours ( open IO days - best to move after 6PM on a Friday ) of moving ......

...cut......

 

 

Good info thanks. Will this work if the lease is not in my name?

 

[SPREX]

 Hi !

https://www.immigration.go.th/content/%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%A3%E0%B9%81%E0%B8%88%E0%B9%89%E0%B8%87%E0%B8%97%E0%B8%B5%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%9E%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%84%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%95%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%87%E0%B8%94%E0%B9%89%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%A7

 

The TM30 procedure has nothing to do with the 90 Days TM47 notification that concerns you
The TM30 is an obligation to be made by the host whether it is a hotel or an individual Owner of the residence includes the condominium
This Act, which appears in section 47 of Act B.E 2522 Section 37 1 & 2 Immigration, had not really been activated for years. For 2 years the countless offenses of aliens remaining illegally in the kingdom has forced its activation
a circular from the Ministry of the Interior noting to all offices to implement this legal procedure
Many people like you have never had their TM30 notified by their spouse because this procedure concerns them and they can be loaded up to 2,000 baht refer section 38 
When you go make your TM47 90 bring your TM30 pre-filled and signed by your wife because with an OA its presence is not necessary unlike with a Thaiwife family visa
Note that you can notify by mail also

Note that If tou go oversea you have to report too in Office immigration 

[Maestro]

2 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

 

Thanks.

 

BTW, there is a PoA which can be used, along with all the other documentation, by the house-master delegating the reporting authority to you, or another third-party. 

 

 

Power-of-Attorney-Form (1).pdf 310.18 kB · 1 download

That does not look like an official form issued by the Immigration Bureau. At what immigration office were you made to use it?

[mtls2005]

4 minutes ago, Maestro said:

That does not look like an official form issued by the Immigration Bureau. At what immigration office were you made to use it?

 

I haven't used it, yet.

 

It's been posted here dozens, maybe hundreds, of times. You can search TM-30 and POA if you want. 

 

TM-30 POA site:forum.thaivisa.com

 

 

[Maestro]

17 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

I haven't used it, yet...

Thank you for this information.