UK PM May looking at second Brexit vote options if talks fail - Telegraph

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UK PM May looking at second Brexit vote options if talks fail - Telegraph

 

Britain's Prime Minister Theresa May leaves church, as Brexit turmoil continues, in Sonning, Britain, May 5, 2019. REUTERS/Simon Dawson

 

LONDON (Reuters) - British Prime Minister Theresa May has carried out "scenario planning" for a second Brexit referendum in case she is forced by parliament to hold one, the Daily Telegraph newspaper reported on Monday.

 

May is hoping to find a way to get parliament to approve a Brexit plan without another public vote, but talks with the opposition Labour Party on a compromise exit strategy have yet to reach an agreement.

 

The Telegraph reported that May had discussions with officials and ministers about holding a referendum that would give voters the choice between leaving the European Union with a deal, leaving without a deal, or not leaving at all.

 

The report cited unnamed government sources, who said the referendum plan would only become relevant if talks with Labour failed and a majority in parliament supported holding another public vote.

 

The Telegraph said a source in May's office denied there had been a meeting to discuss a second EU referendum.

 

Britain's 2016 vote to leave the EU, which was split 52 percent for Brexit and 48 percent against it, has continued to divide the country and paralyse the political system. May's minority government missed a March 29 exit date and there is huge uncertainty over how, when, and even if Britain will leave.

 

May has publicly opposed holding a second referendum. She has said that if talks with Labour fail, parliament will be asked to vote on series of options on how to break the impasse, but those options have not been decided yet.

 

Talks with Labour, which has pledged conditional support for a second referendum, are due to resume on Tuesday and May's ministers have spent recent days talking up the prospect of a swift deal.

 

However leaked details on a possible compromise have angered Labour's negotiators, and lawmakers from both sides have expressed their opposition to a cross-party deal.

 

(Reporting by William James; Editing by Alison Williams)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2019-05-07

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[Topdoc]

On the referendum leaflet handed out by David Cameron, the British people were promised that if we voted LEAVE, we would be out of the Customs Union & out of the Single Market. Now people who want that promise fulfilled are being branded as extremists. There is a deep and dark sickness in the heart of government although we can all be grateful that this episode has blown the lid off it.

[geoffbezoz]

5 minutes ago, Topdoc said:

On the referendum leaflet handed out by David Cameron, the British people were promised that if we voted LEAVE, we would be out of the Customs Union & out of the Single Market. Now people who want that promise fulfilled are being branded as extremists. There is a deep and dark sickness in the heart of government although we can all be grateful that this episode has blown the lid off it.

Perhaps you and others should read the leaflet again.  Attached fyi.

20160523_Leaflet_EASY_READ_FINAL_VERSION (1).pdf

[TopDeadSenter]

This has to be a joke. The best possible outcome for the establishment if they force a re-run of the referendum would be a vote to remain leaving the score 1 vote leave and 1 vote remain, which would leave a far greater impasse that the current situation, and would require a decider vote. A best of three. This would all waste years and leave the markets, business and house-owners in turmoil. No. We had a referendum. Against all odds Leave won. Now lets get on with it. Thanks.

[stevenl]

23 minutes ago, Topdoc said:

On the referendum leaflet handed out by David Cameron, the British people were promised that if we voted LEAVE, we would be out of the Customs Union & out of the Single Market. Now people who want that promise fulfilled are being branded as extremists. There is a deep and dark sickness in the heart of government although we can all be grateful that this episode has blown the lid off it.

Why do you make claims like that that are clearly lies?

Why do people like posts like this, why do they like lies?

[evadgib]

Another thread on the same subject?

"Get on with it!" ????

[malagateddy]

Why do you make claims like that that are clearly lies?
Why do people like posts like this, why do they like lies?

The claims are LIES..that's why!!!!

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[stevenl]

1 minute ago, malagateddy said:

The claims are LIES..that's why!!!!

Sent from my SM-G7102 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
 

Nothing to do with my comment, please refrain from using my posts as a vehicle for your perpetual claims.

[theoldgit]

"If the UK voted to leave the EU the value of the Pound could go down compared to other countries’ money"

 

Well that statement in the leaflet certainly came to pass.

[fishtank]

Asking the people to decide would be the only democratic way out of this disaster.

The people will now realise that they were being lied to all along. 

[NamH2O]

[connda]

1 hour ago, Topdoc said:

On the referendum leaflet handed out by David Cameron, the British people were promised that if we voted LEAVE, we would be out of the Customs Union & out of the Single Market. Now people who want that promise fulfilled are being branded as extremists. There is a deep and dark sickness in the heart of government although we can all be grateful that this episode has blown the lid off it.

It dilutes the referendum system and makes a mockery of 'Democracy.' It just says, "If the minority who lost the vote as well as monied interests and government official don't like the results of a referendum or election - then keep doing it over again until you get the results you want.  That's the hallmark of totalitarianism if not fascism: maintain the veneer of 'Democracy' while actively corrupting the institution from within while using the media and paid-for advertisement agencies as the propaganda mouthpieces to hammer the 'official accepted narrative' into the slow brains of the dumbed-down masses. 

[JoePai]

55 minutes ago, fishtank said:

Asking the people to decide would be the only democratic way out of this disaster.

The people will now realise that they were being lied to all along. 

Come along, catch up, the people did decide in a referendum

[connda]

48 minutes ago, fishtank said:

Asking the people to decide would be the only democratic way out of this disaster.

The people will now realise that they were being lied to all along. 

That will be the new model.  An outsider gets elected to a high office, the outsiders was not anointed and should not have won but populist grass-roots sentiment push the vote over the top, the opposition claims the candidate made claims that are not being fulfilled therefore the candidate lied, evidence will be uncovered by un-named sources that other foreign powers meddled in the election in favor of the elected candidate, the minority who lost the vote as well as monied interests and government officials who don't like the results will clamor for a re-vote, billions will be poured into propaganda to make sure the election 'comes out right' the next time.  

If the UK has a second referendum, it sets the precedence.  Once the flood-gates are open they will not be shut again. 

Be careful what you wish for.

[transam]

It's no wonder Cameron buggered off...????

Edited May 7, 2019 by transam

[Dionigi]

If politicians cannot come to an agreement on something voted for by the population, the wrong politicians have been voted into their jobs. I hope the public make this plain at the next election.

[evadgib]

2 hours ago, fishtank said:

Asking the people to decide would be the only democratic way out of this disaster.

The people will now realise that they were being lied to all along. 

The Govt now realize that the people did in fact know their own minds from the onset and haven't been swayed by the State-sponsored Parliamentary scullery that has followed.

 

Let's hope this case prevails.

Edited May 7, 2019 by evadgib

[nauseus]

May put her hand up to lead the Tories, then won the leadership and so took on responsibility for Brexit as PM. After that, due to either incompetence or design, she made a total dogs dinner out of it. What she needs to be doing is writing her resignation.

[transam]

2 hours ago, fishtank said:

Asking the people to decide would be the only democratic way out of this disaster.

The people will now realise that they were being lied to all along. 

Good grief man.....The people DID decide...????

 

The only thing that has gone wrong is the UK did not walk March 29.....Why, the two main parties are to worried about their interests...NOT what the people voted for..

[Spidey]

1 minute ago, transam said:

Good grief man.....The people DID decide...????

 

The only thing that has gone wrong is the UK did not walk March 29.....Why, the two main parties are to worried about their interests...NOT what the people voted for..

A lot of people (48%) voted remain and it's not what we voted for.

 

You talk as though all British citizens are desperate to leave the EU. Recent indicators suggest that that is now a minority. The only democratic way to settle this is to call another referendum. Let the people decide!

[JoePai]

4 minutes ago, Spidey said:

A lot of people (48%) voted remain and it's not what we voted for.

 

You talk as though all British citizens are desperate to leave the EU. Recent indicators suggest that that is now a minority. The only democratic way to settle this is to call another referendum. Let the people decide!

Maybe you prefer the best of 3   ????

[transam]

1 minute ago, Spidey said:

A lot of people (48%) voted remain and it's not what we voted for.

 

You talk as though all British citizens are desperate to leave the EU. Recent indicators suggest that that is now a minority. The only democratic way to settle this is to call another referendum. Let the people decide!

You are a clairvoyant.....?

 

Do you know what every individual would vote for if there was another vote..?

I don't fink so........????

[Spidey]

1 minute ago, JoePai said:

Maybe you prefer the best of 3   ????

Correct. We've had 2 referendums on leave or remain in Europe. 1975 and 2016. I voted in both. The score is 1-1. It calls for a decider.

[Mike Teavee]

1 minute ago, transam said:

You are a clairvoyant.....?

 

Do you know what every individual would vote for if there was another vote..?

I don't fink so........????

I think people made it clear at the recent local elections but there's only 1 way to find out for sure, ask them via a 2nd referendum... 

 

 

[Spidey]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

You are a clairvoyant.....?

 

Do you know what every individual would vote for if there was another vote..?

I don't fink so........????

Of course not. That's why we must have another referendum, then we would know.

 

What's your problem? Frightened of losing?

[luckyluke]

When democracy is not respected, pretty sure :

 

French people will come on the street. 

 

We Belgians, I presume, will whine about it. 

 

Don't know about U.K.,

 

not really see the people in the U.K. hitting the street,

more like we, whining. 

 

[transam]

3 minutes ago, Mike Teavee said:

I think people made it clear at the recent local elections but there's only 1 way to find out for sure, ask them via a 2nd referendum... 

 

 

The local elections showed how pissed off folk were with the Conservatives and Labour parties regarding the UK not walking on March 29, nothing else.....

Edited May 7, 2019 by transam

[Spidey]

1 minute ago, luckyluke said:

When democracy is not respected, pretty sure :

 

French people will come on the street. 

 

We Belgians, I presume, will whine about it. 

 

Don't know about U.K.,

 

not really see the people in the U.K. hitting the street,

more like we, whining. 

 

And people who aren't disgruntled, don't take to the streets and don't whine.

 

It's always the vocal minority who take to the streets and whine the most.

 

The recent street protests in Venezuela are a classic example.

[Mike Teavee]

4 minutes ago, transam said:

The local elections showed how pissed off folk were with the Conservatives and Labour parties regarding the UK walking on March 29, nothing else.....

If it was a protest vote then people would simply not bother voting or put NOTA, but instead they chose to actively support the parties that support having a 2nd referendum.

 

If it was purely the fact that UK didn't leave on March 29, UKIP would have done better, instead they also lost seats.

 

 

 

 

Edited May 7, 2019 by Mike Teavee

[luckyluke]

1 minute ago, transam said:

The local elections showed how pissed off folk were with the Conservatives and Labour parties regarding the UK not walking on March 29, nothing else.....

That's the issue with results, anyone can interpret them in his own way.