EC party-list calculation opens a can of worms

[Denim]

5 hours ago, perthuniversity said:

what an absolute disgrace, how could it be possible for different proportions to be applied to different parties?

 

Welcome to Junta land where 1 + 1 can make 3 provided it is sanctioned by the hand picked Constitutional Court.

[trainman34014]

And they call this 'Democracy....Thai Style '.   Disgraceful but would expect nothing else in a country that is ruled by....well; WORMS !!

[BobBKK]

WHAT a disgrace and a farce!  they change the rules, decided before the election?  giving small Junta parties with a few thousand votes a seat??? I call on all International countries to boycott (but it won't happen). Sad for Thailand but the people do nothing. The only hope is FFP.

[spidermike007]

When they rewrote the constitution, they appointed all of those 250 crony senators, for just this occasion. Even though the army was soundly beaten, and the Thai people have made it known they are despised, disapproved of, and considered to be incompetent and phony, they end up with another five years. No surprise there. I cannot even begin to imagine what this nation will look like five years from now, but I virtually guarantee it will be a shadow of it's former self. The army is only going to get more incompetent, as that is all they know.

Edited May 9, 2019 by spidermike007

[trainman34014]

13 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

When they rewrote the constitution, they appointed all of those 250 crony senators, for just this occasion. Even though the army was soundly beaten, and the Thai people have made it known they are despised, disapproved of, and considered to be incompetent and phony, they end up with another five years. No surprise there. I cannot even begin to imagine what this nation will look like five years from now, but I virtually guarantee it will be a shadow of it's former self. The army is only going to get more incompetent, as that is all they know.

You forgot to mention that the Generals will be a lot richer than the filthy rich they already are in five years time !

[spidermike007]

2 minutes ago, trainman34014 said:

You forgot to mention that the Generals will be a lot richer than the filthy rich they already are in five years time !

Nobody really talks about that. For fear or reprisal from either the mods, or anyone else. But, it is a glaring reality. Nobody knows how much, but it is bound to be in the billions.

[Odysseus123]

3 hours ago, Eligius said:

I'm sorry, I have to say this again, as quite a number of Thaivisa posters pooh-pooed my (and others') insistence a number of months back that the 'election' would be rigged. 'Oh no,' people said, 'they cannot do that. That is basically impossible in this day and age. No, they cannot fix the election result'.

 

Well, was that naive or what?! Also, how naive do the anti-junta politicians have to be STILL to believe that they will have any effective 'legal' redress? Don't they realise by now that the ruling Thai powers and adjudicators are rotten to the core?!

 

Some of us KNEW (it was not difficult to know, after all) that the militarists would ride back into town (or rather, would never leave it) as the dominant rulers of the land. Some of us were not born yesterday!

 

Err..the powers that be never left town- hence no reason to ride back into it..

 

They were in the saloon with Curly Joe (comedy only)

 

 

Edited May 9, 2019 by Odysseus123

[hotchilli]

6 hours ago, Spidey said:

A right stitch up! Anyone surprised?

Saw it coming even before the election!

[neeray]

How the general population can live with this sh^t is beyond me.

 

I wonder what country leaders will congratulate them. (I can guess one)

[Odysseus123]

15 minutes ago, neeray said:

How the general population can live with this sh^t is beyond me.

 

I wonder what country leaders will congratulate them. (I can guess one)

Myanmar,Cambodia and Laos with big brother to the north giving hearty congratulations as well.

[JAG]

1 hour ago, Xaos said:

When coup? 

I think that one is inevitable, because the lower house has been rendered impotent (or perhaps one could say irrelevant)  by the EC managing to arrange that the party which actually lost the election becomes the party in government. This in turns means that the appointed Senate will be needed to ensure that the government can get it's legislation through.

 

 

There are two factions in the military, one (the current junta) controls the Senate, the other faction will only put up for that for so (not very) long.

 

And that hastens the bloody endgame.

 

And for those of you who wonder why the Thais put up with it, may I suggest that they realise how it is going to end up, (lots and lots of killing) don't want to play any part in it, and will stay clear.

 

I'm glad that my Stepson has completed his national service...

[Eric Loh]

34 minutes ago, neeray said:

How the general population can live with this sh^t is beyond me.

 

I wonder what country leaders will congratulate them. (I can guess one)

The general population did rose up in 1973, 1992 and 2010 and was mercilessly put down by the military. The anti junta activists and UDD are also protest fatigue and know too well that they never win against the military and the establishment. I don't see much hope for democracy looking forward. Hopefully the youth of today and party like FFP will be able to generate a movement peacefully to erode the military dominance in politics. 

[klauskunkel]

8 hours ago, webfact said:

EC party-list calculation opens a can of worms

yup, the worms are in the open and squirming

 

[billd766]

1 hour ago, neeray said:

How the general population can live with this sh^t is beyond me.

 

I wonder what country leaders will congratulate them. (I can guess one)

The general don't have the guns, the leadership or the willingness to stand against those that do. I cannot blame them either.

 

Unfortunately IMO, that is what is needed.

[Spidey]

1 minute ago, billd766 said:

The general don't have the guns, the leadership or the willingness to stand against those that do. I cannot blame them either.

 

Unfortunately IMO, that is what is needed.

It's the only solution unfortunately. The people are Thai so it ain't going to happen.

 

They are not a race of complainers. They are not a race of fighters. They are a race that has subservience and respect for their elders and, more importantly, betters ingrained in their psyche.

 

Also, any dissent shown is firmly and sometimes brutally stamped on.

[Spidey]

2 hours ago, hotchilli said:

Saw it coming even before the election!

Was patently obvious as soon as the new constitution was forced on them.

[Krataiboy]

9 hours ago, Spidey said:

A right stitch up! Anyone surprised?

Your so right. The Thai version of Brexit.

[Spidey]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Nobody really talks about that. For fear or reprisal from either the mods, or anyone else. But, it is a glaring reality. Nobody knows how much, but it is bound to be in the billions.

One person has just taken 30 billion plus (USD) from the state coffers and put it in his back pocket.

[Donutz]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

The general population did rose up in 1973, 1992 and 2010 and was mercilessly put down by the military. The anti junta activists and UDD are also protest fatigue and know too well that they never win against the military and the establishment. I don't see much hope for democracy looking forward. Hopefully the youth of today and party like FFP will be able to generate a movement peacefully to erode the military dominance in politics. 

There were more uprisings, but it seems none of them were big enough. I hear some Thai talking about the need for much more massive uprisings nation wife. Though the fear would be that with 10-100 times the size of any protest we have seen before, the number of casualties could also increase exponentialy. Where is the breaking point that the army can no longer kill off it's people and be ousted from politics and civilian affairs once and for all?

[batata]

9 hours ago, webfact said:

 

The results are likely to set up a period of coalition building, since neither the pro-military bloc of parties nor a "democratic front" opposition alliance so far has enough votes to elect a prime minister under rules written by the junta.

that means the country has no PM ???

[batata]

9 hours ago, Spidey said:

A right stitch up! Anyone surprised?

not a slightly bit, the contrary would have been a BIG surprise

Edited May 9, 2019 by batata

[DrTuner]

Yes it's rigged, however, a lot of Thais did vote to keep a military junta in place. Tells you what kind of country Thailand and it's inhabitants are. Zero votes for usurpers would have been the only just result. Up to you if you want to stay here.

[chuang]

By hook or by crook...

[Eric Loh]

40 minutes ago, Donutz said:

There were more uprisings, but it seems none of them were big enough. I hear some Thai talking about the need for much more massive uprisings nation wife. Though the fear would be that with 10-100 times the size of any protest we have seen before, the number of casualties could also increase exponentialy. Where is the breaking point that the army can no longer kill off it's people and be ousted from politics and civilian affairs once and for all?

They may not be big uprising but were instrumental in removing the government. The 1973 TU massacre resulted in the removal of Field Marshall Kittikachorn, the 1992 caused Gen Suchinda’s government to fall and the 2010 forced a fresh election. Now with social media, the uprising can be on the form of social condemnation and civil disobedience that can rock the government.  I dont wish to see mass uprising that played into the hands of the military and cause loss of lives. 

[hansnl]

7 hours ago, Oziex1 said:

What a mess, a predictable mess. 

Now Just try to Imagine the PT led mess.....

[Reigntax]

4 hours ago, neeray said:

How the general population can live with this sh^t is beyond me.

 

I wonder what country leaders will congratulate them. (I can guess one)

Because they have the democracy they allowed to happen and voted for with the constitution. that's if the voting also wasn't fudged by the junta.

[justin case]

they could always declare outlawed all the other political parties, they call that ... north korea style

[happy chappie]

It's about time the EU/US delivered some good old sanctions.dictators don't resign,they are either assassinated or die on a life support machine.chan o cha is here to stay until the sheit hits the fan.

[Chongalulu]

8 hours ago, Spidey said:

YMMV. Can't see how it could affect me any time soon.

If you cannot envisage how a lack of democracy and thus government accountability might impact the circumstances surrounding where you live that says more about your lack of vision than anything else. You haven’t  noticed the recent issues surrounding visa extensions that have impacted many....or maybe you simply think because they don’t your circumstances now that will never change? 

[malibukid]

6 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

When they rewrote the constitution, they appointed all of those 250 crony senators, for just this occasion. Even though the army was soundly beaten, and the Thai people have made it known they are despised, disapproved of, and considered to be incompetent and phony, they end up with another five years. No surprise there. I cannot even begin to imagine what this nation will look like five years from now, but I virtually guarantee it will be a shadow of it's former self. The army is only going to get more incompetent, as that is all they know.

will  they freeze our bank accounts? yikes!

Edited May 9, 2019 by malibukid