Residents of luxury condo want action as foreigners allowed to stay on daily rent

[Wake Up]

8 hours ago, likewise said:

lol, it is called doing business.

Lol it is called illegally doing business. ????

[Wake Up]

8 hours ago, SpokaneAl said:

My wife and I rented a condo in Jomtien for two weeks in January. We have rented another in Hua Hin for two weeks next January. Certainly have no interest in staying longer nor buying. Does that make us bad people?

Does not make you bad people but makes the person renting to you conducting an illegal business and you should not be allowed to short term rent a long term residential community building. ????

[asiaexpat]

It is more than likely any family members coming to stay would have a modicum of respect compared to a day renter looking to party. They probably won't be bringing drunk hookers home at 3am to wake up real residents of the building.

You must not have Chinese and Singapore families in mind as my experience is the families are the worst. Noise, crowding the pool, trash everywhere. This adds to the cost of common area maintenance that all condo owners pay.


Sent from my iPad using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app

[Wake Up]

6 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

“luxury condo” lol. There are no luxury condos in Bangkok. Wireless 98 maybe, but all the rest is shoeboxes stuffed with IKEA furniture. They just think they can charge you luxury prices for it because it’s new and looks nice on the surface. 

 

At least I now understand why my condo installed a fingerprint reader (which fails to work 50% of the time, of course, and is driving everyone crazy). On top of my elevator keycard and my separate door keycard, that’s the third security measure now. Completely insane, especially after that door to the lifts was wide open for a year before they installed the fingerprint reader. And I’ll definitely not give them my fingerprints. 

FYI. There are lots of luxury condos in Bangkok. You just have not been invited to see them. You think all condos are shoe boxes with ikea furniture then you are way off from the truth. 

[Mavideol]

5 hours ago, Skallywag said:

And because of this, management does not want the laws to be enforced for the "majority of owners" 

correct, that's how it works here, don't upset the Thai owners even if they brake the law or they will make trouble for the  management, seen it happen many times

[ToddinChonburi]

I was told by office 90 day lease only. Building is advertised on all the hotel websites.

[atyclb]

so what if the sublease terms says 1 month but the renter leaves before that? 2 weeks, 3 , 1 week.

[newnative]

8 hours ago, SpokaneAl said:

My wife and I rented a condo in Jomtien for two weeks in January. We have rented another in Hua Hin for two weeks next January. Certainly have no interest in staying longer nor buying. Does that make us bad people?

  Bad people?  Debatable.  But, you are knowingly breaking the law and using a condominium residence, where people live and have made their home, as your hotel.  Condominiums are residences. Hotels are hotels.  There is a difference; hence the law.  

[TGIR]

8 hours ago, SpokaneAl said:

My wife and I rented a condo in Jomtien for two weeks in January. We have rented another in Hua Hin for two weeks next January. Certainly have no interest in staying longer nor buying. Does that make us bad people?

It doesn't make you bad people, but it does make your "landlord" a very bad neighbor.  We live in a 38 unit condo, when two or three of our neighbors were doing daily rentals until the law came down on them.   Imagine you are at home, in an apartment or condominium that was normally quiet and laid back.  Suddenly, every day it seems, people are coming into the common areas at all hours, not necessarily being   rude or noisy, but certainly being strangers.  A different bunch was around before you knew the last bunch   had gone.  Instead of going for your daily walk around or in the pool, you feel like a stranger in your own home, uncomfortable among the sudden throng of strangers in and around "your" pool.  So, instead of your usual routine you shy away from the new people....not knowing who they are and not wanting to   intrude on their good time.  Ordinarily you would go out and meet them, happy to have some new neighbors maybe.......but they are not neighbors, just strangers using your property for a few days, so you don't use the facilities you pay for......your favorite parking space is being used by someone you don't know, and your peace is disturbed, permanently.  Think about that the next time you choose to use the services of Air B&B.   Also think about the lost revenue your community's hotels, motels and restaurants are seeing......it could mean they won't be able to stay in business if their revenue is now going to your "good" neighbors.

 

 

[Genericnic]

1 hour ago, Date Masamune said:

 

BTW I have encountered mainland Chinese tourists in large numbers in 3 different countries, always the same screaming and slamming doors at 5AM in the morning it is some kind of innate tendency for them not what people want in a luxury condo.

 

 

In all fairness to the Chinese, I have been to China twice in the past year, mainly in Beijing, and I can state that they are no different at home than they are here. My ethnic Chinese friends from Malaysia and Singapore are so disgusted with their behaviour that they refer to them as PRCs (Peoples Republic of China) rather than Chinese.

 

David

[Caldera]

While I'm a fan of Airbnb myself, I must admit that I could do without the short-term renters at my condo building - they well and truly are a nuisance. Maybe that makes me a hypocrite.

[Monkeyrobot]

8 hours ago, SpokaneAl said:

My wife and I rented a condo in Jomtien for two weeks in January. We have rented another in Hua Hin for two weeks next January. Certainly have no interest in staying longer nor buying. Does that make us bad people?

Yes it’s all your fault.

[utalkin2me]

7 hours ago, Maverell said:

I used to live in a condo in On Nut where they  actually enforced the rule. See the image I posted above.  The juristic staff and security staff were applauded. We were fed up with groups of young westerners coming for a week at a time, partying all night, no respect for others, making a terrible mess in and around the pool etc. It stopped after one owner was dealt with (I have no idea how but can guess) and the message to other owners was clear.

You did not mention if the owner was personally escorting these people to the property or not. 

 

Point blank: do you think it should be illegal to meet someone then walk them back to your condo, and have them stay there? What about relatives? Relative, friend, person you meet, Airbnb... whatever, if you escort them to your own property how in the world can that no be kosher? It is YOUR property. You are there. There is a big distinction here between that and people renting say from overseas and having an assistant hand the renter the keys.  

[newnative]

6 hours ago, ricklev said:

Here is my understanding of the law regarding Airbnb::

 

1.  There is no law against renting a condo for less than a month.  The renter is doing nothing illegal.

 

2.  A lower court ruling defining the hotel act and applying it to Airbnb doesn't create a law against Airbnb in condos.  

 

3.  Airbnb violations by condo owners is a civil law issue about violating condo regulations.

   You're missing the point.  Rentals of less than a month are in violation of the Thai Hotel Act.  Airbnb is beside the point.  Airbnb is just a tool--like a gun is a tool to assist in robbing a bank.  The person robbing the bank is still breaking the law whether he uses a gun or a knife.  Someone renting a condo for less than a month is still breaking the law whether they use Airbnb or post a notice on a bulletin board.  In order to rent less than a month, you need to be registered as a hotel with a hotel business license.  Condominiums are registered at the Land Office as condominiums, not hotels; as residences, not businesses.   

     

[RawboneFunksta]

The problem is the owners who are absent and rent their condo on AirB&B

[owenm]

Last week I stayed in a family condo for 3 persons directly next to Central Festival in Pattaya for 4 nights.. Advertised as 4 star but lucky to be a 3 star.. Unreno about 20 Yr old, fittings showing their wear.. Was rented on Agoda through a company downstairs handling only rentals.

 

I also thought these weren't legal in Thailand unless min 1 mth. I didn't have many options for 3 adult persons in 1 room. Most hotels required renting 2 rooms so choices were limited.. Did have access to a large pool and only 150m from Beach Road.. 

[atyclb]

16 minutes ago, TGIR said:

sudden throng of strangers in and around "your" pool. 

 

how does one distinguish a sudden throng of strangers from family members or friends of owner occupants you don't see everyday?

[Benmart]

9 hours ago, likewise said:

lol, it is called doing business.

It's called breaking Thai law.

[Mavideol]

8 hours ago, Maverell said:

 

some problem with this poster, first it appears most renters coming from China, their English skills are very limited (or non existent) sign should have a Chinese translation...second the next on line for renters are Russians, same problem with language, some Russians have a little better skills (than the Chinese) for the English language but still a lot of limitations, thus sign should also have russian translation, that way, maybe and I say maybe they would understand living in owners concerns

[utalkin2me]

59 minutes ago, Ctkong said:

Juristic person can always check upon whether anybody is leasing out short stay on Airbnb by checking the website. Make a booking and nab the unit owner if unit is on rental in Airbnb. 

First off, I can't see many Thai employees ever doing that. But ok. But when you actually look at the listings, many do not list the building name (perhaps for this reason). The area is listed. 

 

This topic reminds me exactly of laws being broken in a person's home. Maybe it is not ok for me to copy a blue ray disc... but guess what, it does not matter because I am doing it on my own property, and enforcing it is a wild dream. Effectively we are left with no crime, and no way to enforce it. 

 

Similarly, how can a renter being escorted into a property by the owner be enforced? To me, on paper, it is impossible. It is the owner's property, you can't know what he is doing unless you invade his property. Maybe that is his brother who is staying there! Who the heck knows, and whos business would it be? (ie owner certainly does not have to answer any questions).

 

Anyway, I understand everyone's pov I am just making a point.

[Mavideol]

14 minutes ago, Genericnic said:

  1 hour ago, Date Masamune said:

 

BTW I have encountered mainland Chinese tourists in large numbers in 3 different countries, always the same screaming and slamming doors at 5AM in the morning it is some kind of innate tendency for them not what people want in a luxury condo.

disrespect of others well being is in Chinese peoples DNA, they behave like that wherever they go or wherever they are, no education and/or respect of others, I know too well as I live there for 12 years, young or old is same same

[Benmart]

3 minutes ago, newnative said:

   You're missing the point.  Rentals of less than a month are in violation of the Thai Hotel Act.  Airbnb is beside the point.  Airbnb is just a tool--like a gun is a tool to assist in robbing a bank.  The person robbing the bank is still breaking the law whether he uses a gun or a knife.  Someone renting a condo for less than a month is still breaking the law whether they use Airbnb or post a notice on a bulletin board.  In order to rent less than a month, you need to be registered as a hotel with a hotel business license.  Condominiums are registered at the Land Office as condominiums, not hotels; as residences, not businesses.   

     

Thank you for clarifying this. After a one-year lease I am moving from a Five-Star condo in Wongamat/Naklua-Pattaya because the place has turned into a Chinese-Russian short term "hotel". No hotel tax paid, no hotel license and no registration with immigration as required by Thai law. The loud, pushy and uncivil crowds have driven me to calmer waters.

[Benmart]

4 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

some problem with this poster, first it appears most renters coming from China, their English skills are very limited (or non existent) sign should have a Chinese translation...second the next on line for renters are Russians, same problem with language, some Russians have a little better skills (than the Chinese) for the English language but still a lot of limitations, thus sign should also have russian translation, that way, maybe and I say maybe they would understand living in owners concerns

The condo I am fleeing from after a years lease has a similar sign in English, Thai, Russian, Chinese and pictographs. All equally ignored it seems.

[Mavideol]

2 minutes ago, Benmart said:

The condo I am fleeing from after a years lease has a similar sign in English, Thai, Russian, Chinese and pictographs. All equally ignored it seems.

really feel sorry for you, I thought it could be a language barrier...wrong!!! hope you can find some quite place and enjoy it

[TGIR]

12 minutes ago, atyclb said:

 

how does one distinguish a sudden throng of strangers from family members or friends of owner occupants you don't see everyday?

In our condo we only have three full time residents, and a few more that come frequently.....pretty easy to tell who you know and who you don't.

[atyclb]

11 minutes ago, TGIR said:

24 minutes ago, atyclb said:

 

how does one distinguish a sudden throng of strangers from family members or friends of owner occupants you don't see everyday?

In our condo we only have three full time residents, and a few more that come frequently.....pretty easy to tell who you know and who you don't.

 

not every condo has but 3 full time residents.  my building has 8 floors and about 80 units and pool is shared with a second same size building.

[flbkk]

As in many countries, this is the hotel lobby. If renters are noisy they should have action taken. I would never live in a place with fingerprints scanners. You could not give a key to a friend or family on a short visit.

[SpokaneAl]

Already two condos in Hua Hin have been through the legal system and owners fined. Any rental period less than 1 month is illegal. So, it makes you a law breaker and you are disrupting the life of residents that actually live there and  you're lowering the property value of their homes by turning their building into a short time hotel. Get a real hotel room, nobody wants you moving in and out and disturbing them. You're probably not being registered at immigration (for owners do not want to pay taxes on their illegal/unreported income) which is also violating the law. You may not be bad people but you're basically telling Thailand that their laws don't apply to you, and the issue is that they do.  

Wow, so now my wife and I, who are pretty old and boring, by the way, are now breaking the law. I had no idea it was an issue until this thread showed up. We just wandered through the bazillion internet sites offering rentals, and tried to choose one that meets our short term needs, and actually is as nice as the photos, which can be a challenge. If this is such an important issue, and I can now understand from the other condo owners’ perspectives, perhaps the answer is to go after the people offering the actual short term rentals.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[Elkski]

i have used Air bnb exclusively my last 3 trips. much better value than a hotel.   a good condo for 1200-1500 baht in thonglor... compare to a small hotel room for 1700-1500.  ok so I need to make my own coffee and toast.  I'm sure there are a few owners who are pics and noisy.  I am sure I am a good tenant.  it is such a waste to have all these unused condo rooms.   I hardly see any regular owners come and go..  the pool is usually empty. the weight room same.  

[DavidFarrow]

This is a huge issue for the City of Toronto, the same issues for our condominium communities. The bottom line is that the condo community decides what is acceptable to them and not only those big dollar investors. 

For outsiders to decide what is best for a corporation or community is unacceptable since they don't have a shared interest only an armchair opinion.

if community leadership is not following the will of the people then the community need to make the change.

The manager is in desperate need of a change at the property to alleviate the excessive strain he has. 

I have been managing properties for over 12 years and i feel the managers pain...

 

Short term rentals are always discouraged as they usually attract unsavory characters, those communities that allow short term have should have a strong rule and by-law to ensure compliance. May be a different country but similar due to human nature.