Luxury Bangkok condo is like Beijing - Chinese treating it as a hotel

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Luxury Bangkok condo is like Beijing - Chinese treating it as a hotel

 

Picture: Thai Rath

 

Yet more evidence is coming to light of people illegally renting rooms on a daily basis to tourists. 

 

And this one is damning of the Chinese - both owners and visitors. 

 

Thai Rath reported that an owners' group on Facebook from "Condo C Ekkamai" (Sukhumvit Soi 63) had reached the end of their tether. 

 

Chinese owners of rooms in the luxury condo were renting to hoards of their compatriots.

 

Rentals were daily - illegal under Thai law. 

 

At Songkran the condo resembled Beijing, they said. 

 

The owners had set up check-in and check-out facilities and baggage storage. There was a team of maids on hand to do the cleaning in between guests.

 

The ongoing problem had been the subject of many complaints to the juristic person who said they were powerless to stop it. 

 

The issue is becoming more and more prevalent in Thailand. Only rentals of 30 days plus are allowed to outsiders at condos. 

 

Daily rent is against the law. 

 

Source: Thai Rath

 

 

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[geoffbezoz]

Chinese doing it  - OK,  Farangs doing it - A no no.

[keith101]

Why else would the Chinese buy up so many Condos if they weren't going to make money from them .

[Maverell]

As normal the Chinese think they are superior beings and can do what they like. Look at Cambodia, it will be the same here in time unless Government policy towards them changes. Which of course is highly unlikely.

 

People warned about the condo fiasco when Thai property developers started aggressively marketing them in China as investment opportunities.  There are far too many sold empty condo units and not enough longer term renters around to fill them, so this short term fiasco is the result....and the developers are still building new condos. Crazy.

 

Thailand is doomed if they start to allow Casinos.

[from the home of CC]

not a luxury condo no more with day renters, value just dropped big time..

[robblok]

  On 5/20/2019 at 4:28 AM, geoffbezoz said:

Chinese doing it  - OK,  Farangs doing it - A no no.

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Can you tell me where exactly you read its ok for Chinese to do it and farangs not. The article i read said it was not allowed and this time it was Chinese breaking the law. So please explain to me what i read wrong. 

[shady86]

Easy. Just build condos only for Chinese.

[Power of life yoga]

  On 5/20/2019 at 4:52 AM, robblok said:

Can you tell me where exactly you read its ok for Chinese to do it and farangs not. The article i read said it was not allowed and this time it was Chinese breaking the law. So please explain to me what i read wrong. 

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???? Get out and enjoy the sunshine????

[robblok]

  On 5/20/2019 at 4:57 AM, Power of life yoga said:

???? Get out and enjoy the sunshine????

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Nah pointing out that some foreigners have a chip on their shoulder and moan for everything is far more fun. Its not allowed for Thais, Chinese, even white foreigners. Enforcement is lacking unfortunately. 

[GeorgeCross]

in fairness not just the chinese, they just have a bigger slice of the pie due to the volume of their compatriots arriving.

 

a showdown is coming, thai voices are louder

 

 

[GeorgeCross]

setting up a check in desk.. hahaha gotta love the balls on these guys

[Orton Rd]

 

'The ongoing problem had been the subject of many complaints to the juristic person who said they were powerless to stop it. '

 

As it is illegal maybe arresting and charging the owners might be a start?

 

[geoffbezoz]

  On 5/20/2019 at 5:09 AM, Orton Rd said:

 

'The ongoing problem had been the subject of many complaints to the juristic person who said they were powerless to stop it. '

 

As it is illegal maybe arresting and charging the owners might be a start?

 

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Well perhaps that process may be dependent on understanding who the ultimate owners of the condo property complex are are  !!!!!!

[Just Weird]

  On 5/20/2019 at 5:09 AM, Orton Rd said:

 

'The ongoing problem had been the subject of many complaints to the juristic person who said they were powerless to stop it. '

 

As it is illegal maybe arresting and charging the owners might be a start?

 

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Since when can a Juristic Person arrest and charge anyone with anything? 

[Snow Leopard]

  On 5/20/2019 at 5:09 AM, Orton Rd said:

 

'The ongoing problem had been the subject of many complaints to the juristic person who said they were powerless to stop it. '

 

As it is illegal maybe arresting and charging the owners might be a start?

 

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Big fines. Then the money should go into the maintenance fund of the jurisdiction.  

[JonnyF]

  On 5/20/2019 at 5:18 AM, Snow Leopard said:

Big fines. Then the money should go into the maintenance fund of the jurisdiction.  

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The juristic people are probably taking a cut to turn a blind eye.

[KittenKong]

  On 5/20/2019 at 5:17 AM, Just Weird said:

Since when can a Juristic Person arrest and charge anyone with anything? 

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They cant, of course.

But if the condo building's by-laws have a rule about minimum rental durations then it would be easy for the building to impose fines. The trouble is that very few buildings have such rules. They could be introduced if most co-owners are against such rentals.

The other possibility is to consider short-term rentals as a business which they undoubtedly are. Business activities are prohibited outside of designated non-residential areas of the building by the condo act and usually by building by-laws too. So in that case it might also be possible to impose fines or cut off access to common services like the pool and elevators.

[ThaiBunny]

  On 5/20/2019 at 5:32 AM, KittenKong said:

ut if the condo building's by-laws have a rule about minimum rental durations then it would be easy for the building to impose fines. The trouble is that very few buildings have such rules. They could be introduced if most co-owners are against such rentals.

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I'm aware of at least two condos in Bangkok where the lobby and the lifts are littered with signs in English, Thai and Chinese warning against short-term lets and threatening legal or even police action.  Tourists struggle by them with their large suitcases almost hourly ????

[KittenKong]

  On 5/20/2019 at 5:36 AM, ThaiBunny said:

I'm aware of at least two condos in Bangkok where the lobby and the lifts are littered with signs in English, Thai and Chinese warning against short-term lets and threatening legal or even police action.  Tourists struggle by them with their large suitcases almost hourly

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Surely, but those are probably buildings that dont have any internal rules to enforce. If they had the rules they could stop these short-term renters quite quickly, without needing signs.

[smedly]

  On 5/20/2019 at 5:23 AM, JonnyF said:

The juristic people are probably taking a cut to turn a blind eye.

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Turn a blind eye !!!!!!!!!

 

They are running it

 

Money Number 1 

 

This is happening in Pattaya as well

 

The only people that have the power to change it our hotel owners who are losing the business 

[phetphet]

I had a visit by the authorities two weeks ago here in Samui looking for just this sort of thing. Answered the door to immigration, army, military police Ministry of Internal affair etc etc.

 

Checked my passport and visa, asked me lots of questions, and left "apparently" satisfied.

 

I live full time in my apartment with my girlfriend, and have never rented out.

 

I expect there will be more of these types of visits as the Thai hotel and resort owners try to stop their business being undercut.

[Brigand]

The Thais and other countries so eager to embrace Beijing are going to pay a high price for jumping in bed with the Devil so wantonly and things like this are just the start. The western countries and trading blocks can be annoying and self-righteous but at least you know where you stand with them generally. With China, no strings attached bearing cheap loans and smooth words with big promises but all also with a massive dash of opaqueness. You want to trust them ... good luck with that as they only ever do anything that benefits themselves. In 20 years SEA will effectively have been annexed by China without a shot being fired ... maybe the Viets will resist as they don't really like or get along with the Chinese too well. 

[legend49]

  On 5/20/2019 at 6:30 AM, Brigand said:

The Thais and other countries so eager to embrace Beijing are going to pay a high price for jumping in bed with the Devil so wantonly and things like this are just the start. The western countries and trading blocks can be annoying and self-righteous but at least you know where you stand with them generally. With China, no strings attached bearing cheap loans and smooth words with big promises but all also with a massive dash of opaqueness. You want to trust them ... good luck with that as they only ever do anything that benefits themselves. In 20 years SEA will effectively have been annexed by China without a shot being fired ... maybe the Viets will resist as they don't really like or get along with the Chinese too well. 

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So happy Thais are hurting pay back for the way they treat aliens.

[peter14]

again Thailand should grow up... the law is archaic. the whole world can rent daily but Thailand... oh no we Thai!  well, Hotel should lower their rate that's it!. 

[scorecard]

  On 5/20/2019 at 4:57 AM, Power of life yoga said:

???? Get out and enjoy the sunshine????

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No, you should answer his legitimate question.

[bubba]

  On 5/20/2019 at 6:38 AM, peter14 said:

again Thailand should grow up... the law is archaic. the whole world can rent daily but Thailand... oh no we Thai!  well, Hotel should lower their rate that's it!. 

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No, the whole world cannot rent out condos on a daily basis. There are many municipalities that prohibit this unless you are duly licensed and those licenses are limited to prevent exactly what is happening in this story. As an example, Honolulu prohibits daily rentals (< 30 days) without a license. The city stopped issuing those in 1989 and there are less than 1000 legally licensed daily rental condos there now.  If they are caught, violators face a fine of $10,000/day. But that hasn't stopped the Chinese there. Now they are buying up houses, demolishing them and constructing what are called "monster houses" with as many as 29 bedrooms on a relatively small lot, and then renting those rooms short term to their countrymen. That is illegal as well, but much easier to fly under the radar than a condo.

[HuaHinHim]

The Chinese are invading all corners of the globe, just watched a 60 minutes program where they Have destroyed part of a reef in Fiji for a casino and condos and have blocked legitimate owners from their land. 

[The Deerhunter]

  On 5/20/2019 at 4:28 AM, geoffbezoz said:

Chinese doing it  - OK,  Farangs doing it - A no no.

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Yes. They are powerless to do anything about the submarine and Railway merchants. How many European or farang owners in that complex are doing daily rentals?

[DLock]

  On 5/20/2019 at 6:38 AM, peter14 said:

again Thailand should grow up... the law is archaic. the whole world can rent daily but Thailand... oh no we Thai!  well, Hotel should lower their rate that's it!. 

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When/if you can ever afford to buy a condo, this will all make perfect sense...

 

...until then, your 3000 baht fan room will probably have nothing to worry about.

[Juan B Tong]

Having laws on the books is meaningless without enforcement.

That's why I love it here.

 

This is just another example of the anarchy that is Thailand.

 

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