Pheu Thai-led alliance vows to fight on to end junta’s pursuit for power

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Pheu Thai-led alliance vows to fight on to end junta’s pursuit for power

 

 

The Pheu Thai-led coalition of seven parties today reaffirmed their determination to stop the junta and Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha in their efforts to retain power.

 

Core members of the seven parties met today to discuss their political stance and to assess the latest political developments.

 

Speaking on behalf of its alliance, Pheu Thai secretary-general Phumtham Wechayachai said that the grouping maintains its stance of restoring real democracy to Thailand, ending the junta’s pursuit of power and rewriting the Constitution to return normalcy to the country.

 

Full story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/pheu-thai-led-alliance-vows-to-fight-on-to-end-juntas-pursuit-for-power/

 

 

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[Thaiwrath]

 "honest politicians must keep their promises to the people and must not betray their supporters."

 

 

Honest politicians are a rarity worldwide, so, who, in their right minds, expected the Democrats not to betray their supporters ? 

[leeneeds]

I always thought stories of wizards and witches was a fantasy,

yet here we have a real witches brew 

in the making, 7 magical potions that will fail in breaking

the juntas spell.

[Thailand]

The junta have lied cheated and bought their way to retain power.

 

It does not matter what PTP, FP and allies do, a sad day for Thailand.

[Small Joke]

It will get to the point where they'll end up with their own version of the Red Brigade or IRA here, and they'll only have their own elitist pig-headedness to blame.

[lvr181]

The "Junta's" power was already enshrined in law BEFORE the shamlection. 

[CLW]

I am wondering how they (the anti junta coalition) are going to do anything now since the two biggest whores of the country (Democrats and BJT) have joined the great dictator.
Don't their party members and voters not have any kind of protest in mind since the decision is clearly opposite to what they promised before the election?

[geoffbezoz]

4 hours ago, Thailand said:

The junta have lied cheated and bought their way to retain power.

 

It does not matter what PTP, FP and allies do, a sad day for Thailand.

Lied and cheated is being rather polite with no mention of more serious tactics. The real world outside of Thailand fully understand exactly what the Junta has, and is continuing to do, in order to maintain their corrupt organisation and feeding those who support them.

[scorecard]

5 hours ago, leeneeds said:

I always thought stories of wizards and witches was a fantasy,

yet here we have a real witches brew 

in the making, 7 magical potions that will fail in breaking

the juntas spell.

Well said, but lets' hope that:

 

1). Thanathorn returns to the fold quickly.

2). Thanathorn leads the opposition in continuous attempts to introduce new laws and regulations aimed at reducing the gap, equal justice  and more. No they won't get passed but they do at least help to educate the public. 

3). Thanathorn continuously provides strong opposition to many of the juntas group policies etc., along with solid detailed argument, again to educate the public. 

[Eric Loh]

What a hypocrite the Dem are. It is less than a month since Jurin became party leader when he and his key supporters including Ahbisit, Chuan and Banyat made clear that the party should not support the PPRP to set up a proxy Army government. Now their stance is clear and that leave PTP and FFP to lead the fight for the people against a corrupt regime. 

[CLW]

What a hypocrite the Dem are. It is less than a month since Jurin became party leader when he and his key supporters including Ahbisit, Chuan and Banyat made clear that the party should not support the PPRP to set up a proxy Army government. Now their stance is clear and that leave PTP and FFP to lead the fight for the people against a corrupt regime. 

Unbelievable tactic. One must not understand. Despite PTP and FFW offering them all ministries they want even as PM they declined.

[Baerboxer]

PTP "vowing" again! Just like they "vowed" to pay the farmers - and didn't; vowed not to dissolve parliament - then did; vowed to "stay and fight on the field of democracy"; vowed to be here, shoulder to shoulder with the Red Shirt expendables etc etc etc.

 

The only thing really upsetting them is they've failed to get control of the trough back and to get another chance at whitewashing the boss.

[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

What a hypocrite the Dem are. It is less than a month since Jurin became party leader when he and his key supporters including Ahbisit, Chuan and Banyat made clear that the party should not support the PPRP to set up a proxy Army government. Now their stance is clear and that leave PTP and FFP to lead the fight for the people against a corrupt regime. 

 

Politicians do more u-turns than the roads have in Bangkok!

 

But you don't seriously expect anyone to be naive enough to believe PTP are fighting for the people? One of the most corrupt parties ever, leading the fight against corruption - 555! Yeah, out of jealousy not morals.

[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, CLW said:

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

What a hypocrite the Dem are. It is less than a month since Jurin became party leader when he and his key supporters including Ahbisit, Chuan and Banyat made clear that the party should not support the PPRP to set up a proxy Army government. Now their stance is clear and that leave PTP and FFP to lead the fight for the people against a corrupt regime. 

Unbelievable tactic. One must not understand. Despite PTP and FFW offering them all ministries they want even as PM they declined.

 

Even the Dems ain't dumb enough to believe one word PTP "promise"!

[Eric Loh]

8 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Politicians do more u-turns than the roads have in Bangkok!

 

But you don't seriously expect anyone to be naive enough to believe PTP are fighting for the people? One of the most corrupt parties ever, leading the fight against corruption - 555! Yeah, out of jealousy not morals.

Apples and oranges but credit you for trying to pull one over. Give you an analogy. Suppose you at a bar and have intention to bring a hooker back home for a night of joyful lust. You agreed on the price and she went with you. If you then realized that you don’t want to risk catching herpes or worse, you make an u-turn and tell her the deal off. If you did the act and refuse to pay, that’s a reversal of your promise. Dem did a reversal not a u-turn. Not same same. 

 

By the way, the best way to judge whether the party is fighting for the people are the election results. They won all the time. The people subscribed to them for fighting on their behalf. 

[Roadman]

3 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Apples and oranges but credit you for trying to pull one over. Give you an analogy. Suppose you at a bar and have intention to bring a hooker back home for a night of joyful lust. You agreed on the price and she went with you. If you then realized that you don’t want to risk catching herpes or worse, you make an u-turn and tell her the deal off. If you did the act and refuse to pay, that’s a reversal of your promise. Dem did a reversal not a u-turn. Not same same. 

 

By the way, the best way to judge whether the party is fighting for the people are the election results. They won all the time. The people subscribed to them for fighting on their behalf. 

The people voted for them to fight for them...pull the other leg. The mass uneducated in Issarn voted for a few Baht tossed them to keep the Shinawatra patronage brand going while the Shinawatra elite cream Thailand like their own cash cow. And that is the sad reality of Issaan and Thailand and the uneducated class forced vote they bestow on scum like the Shinawtra's...interesting that the bargirl analogy is what you chose as it is obvious reality for the Issaan daughters as it is for their rice farmer parents feasting on their rice and fish sauce. And that is never changing under idiotic Junta rule or thieving Shinawtra rule. The biggest joke I am seeing on this forum in the last few days is Pheu Thai leading the democracy charge...seriously people have very short memories of Pheu Thai and their lack of democratic behaviour for the absent puppet master. But that does not suprise on here. 

And if you bothered to read the election result then the result didnt belong to PTP with the mass purchased uneductaed Issan vote that was always going to be large but has collasped, but to Future Forward where at least peole with the ability to assess what they wanted for Thailand's future have voted for a party that might actually get of their backsides and put Thailand and the peoiple first...still to be seen thou. 

[Eric Loh]

7 minutes ago, Roadman said:

still to be seen thou. 

So you really don’t know after expanding so much energy with your bigoted views. The topic is about PTP not FFP. Try not to confuse yourself. 

[from the home of CC]

56 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Apples and oranges but credit you for trying to pull one over. Give you an analogy. Suppose you at a bar and have intention to bring a hooker back home for a night of joyful lust. You agreed on the price and she went with you. If you then realized that you don’t want to risk catching herpes or worse, you make an u-turn and tell her the deal off. If you did the act and refuse to pay, that’s a reversal of your promise. Dem did a reversal not a u-turn. Not same same. 

 

By the way, the best way to judge whether the party is fighting for the people are the election results. They won all the time. The people subscribed to them for fighting on their behalf. 

you're right, it is the best way to judge IF corruption is not subscribed to in the process which unfortunately is not the case here (or in many other countries)

[leeneeds]

4 hours ago, scorecard said:

Well said, but lets' hope that:

 

1). Thanathorn returns to the fold quickly.

2). Thanathorn leads the opposition in continuous attempts to introduce new laws and regulations aimed at reducing the gap, equal justice  and more. No they won't get passed but they do at least help to educate the public. 

3). Thanathorn continuously provides strong opposition to many of the juntas group policies etc., along with solid detailed argument, again to educate the public. 

Agree, with your post, waiting for the next election will be Khun Thanathorn's personal burden to get through, 

[Eligius]

4 hours ago, CLW said:

5 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

What a hypocrite the Dem are. It is less than a month since Jurin became party leader when he and his key supporters including Ahbisit, Chuan and Banyat made clear that the party should not support the PPRP to set up a proxy Army government. Now their stance is clear and that leave PTP and FFP to lead the fight for the people against a corrupt regime. 

Unbelievable tactic. One must not understand. Despite PTP and FFW offering them all ministries they want even as PM they declined.

When unprincipled 'politicians' can be offered unbelievable levels of wealth - drawn, without hindrance, from the national coffers - they simply cannot help themselves. Ethical principle nowhere enters into it (indeed, such a remote and foreign concept as 'ethical principle' would be as incomprehensible and ungraspable to such types as would be differential calculus to an ant!).

 

Edited May 28, 2019 by Eligius

[GarryP]

2 hours ago, Roadman said:

The people voted for them to fight for them...pull the other leg. The mass uneducated in Issarn voted for a few Baht tossed them to keep the Shinawatra patronage brand going while the Shinawatra elite cream Thailand like their own cash cow. And that is the sad reality of Issaan and Thailand and the uneducated class forced vote they bestow on scum like the Shinawtra's...interesting that the bargirl analogy is what you chose as it is obvious reality for the Issaan daughters as it is for their rice farmer parents feasting on their rice and fish sauce. And that is never changing under idiotic Junta rule or thieving Shinawtra rule. The biggest joke I am seeing on this forum in the last few days is Pheu Thai leading the democracy charge...seriously people have very short memories of Pheu Thai and their lack of democratic behaviour for the absent puppet master. But that does not suprise on here. 

And if you bothered to read the election result then the result didnt belong to PTP with the mass purchased uneductaed Issan vote that was always going to be large but has collasped, but to Future Forward where at least peole with the ability to assess what they wanted for Thailand's future have voted for a party that might actually get of their backsides and put Thailand and the peoiple first...still to be seen thou. 

PTP did not collapse. Because of the way the constitution is written and seats apportioned, it was thought in PTP's best interests to split into 2 parties, the other being Thai Raksa Chart, so as to gain more party list seats. The parties did not field competing candidates in the same districts, so when TRC was barred/dissolved by the Constitutional Court, many districts went without a candidate from the PTP/TRC partnership. Without a PTP/TRC candidate to vote for, the voters went for Future Forward Party instead. 

 

As has been proven time and time again, vote buying has very little impact anymore. And inferring that the Issan people are ignorant is wrong on so many levels. They have not been voting for PTP because they were bought. They voted for this party and its pre-incarnations because it gave them a voice, it showed them that their voice did matter and made improvements to infrastructure, health care, etc. which benefited them, something that had not happened before. I am not saying that PTP was not corrupt. It was, exceedingly so, and on a level with Chatchai Choonhavan's Buffet Cabinet perhaps.  But it did improve the lives of many, who up until Thai Rak Thai came along had been ignored by the central government.  I am sure they realize the party is corrupt and self serving (most of them are), but at least they get a stab at the crumbs, something which prior to PTP/TRT would not have happened. 

 

And please, the junta is actually even worse in terms of corruption than PTP.  

 

What will be interesting is the next elections when PTP and its twin (if it tries this route again) have candidates in all those districts they lost through dissolution this time. I think you will find that the numbers rise to near former levels to the detriment of FFP, particularly in the North East. I really hope I am wrong as I like FFP. This new party is a breath of fresh air as, like you say, they seem to put the people first, but I would not hold my breath waiting. 

[Eligius]

28 minutes ago, GarryP said:

PTP did not collapse. Because of the way the constitution is written and seats apportioned, it was thought in PTP's best interests to split into 2 parties, the other being Thai Raksa Chart, so as to gain more party list seats. The parties did not field competing candidates in the same districts, so when TRC was barred/dissolved by the Constitutional Court, many districts went without a candidate from the PTP/TRC partnership. Without a PTP/TRC candidate to vote for, the voters went for Future Forward Party instead. 

 

As has been proven time and time again, vote buying has very little impact anymore. And inferring that the Issan people are ignorant is wrong on so many levels. They have not been voting for PTP because they were bought. They voted for this party and its pre-incarnations because it gave them a voice, it showed them that their voice did matter and made improvements to infrastructure, health care, etc. which benefited them, something that had not happened before. I am not saying that PTP was not corrupt. It was, exceedingly so, and on a level with Chatchai Choonhavan's Buffet Cabinet perhaps.  But it did improve the lives of many, who up until Thai Rak Thai came along had been ignored by the central government.  I am sure they realize the party is corrupt and self serving (most of them are), but at least they get a stab at the crumbs, something which prior to PTP/TRT would not have happened. 

 

And please, the junta is actually even worse in terms of corruption than PTP.  

 

What will be interesting is the next elections when PTP and its twin (if it tries this route again) have candidates in all those districts they lost through dissolution this time. I think you will find that the numbers rise to near former levels to the detriment of FFP, particularly in the North East. I really hope I am wrong as I like FFP. This new party is a breath of fresh air as, like you say, they seem to put the people first, but I would not hold my breath waiting. 

Great post, GarryP (above).

Unfortunately, I fear that the militarists will make sure (by foul means or foul) that they do NOT just scrape into power next time round (if there is no resistance by the Thai People before then): they will not make the same mistake twice and allow themselves to get into a neck-and-neck finishing result. 

They will 'win' by a large margin. They will see to that. And who will oppose them? Who is truly opposing them now (in a nation of nearly 70 million people)?

It is so, so sad - almost hopeless ...

 

Edited May 28, 2019 by Eligius

[scorecard]

4 hours ago, leeneeds said:

Agree, with your post, waiting for the next election will be Khun Thanathorn's personal burden to get through, 

Good point, but let's hope it helps to build an even more solid party / team behind him and with solid ethics, morals, and credibility, and brings more talented folks in their party, smart, credible, to the forefront . From what we've seen so far I think they can do it. But they will need to remind themselves to keep focus.

[CLW]

Great post, GarryP (above).
Unfortunately, I fear that the militarists will make sure (by foul means or foul) that they do NOT just scrape into power next time round (if there is no resistance by the Thai People before then): they will not make the same mistake twice and allow themselves to get into a neck-and-neck finishing result. 
They will 'win' by a large margin. They will see to that. And who will oppose them? Who is truly opposing them now (in a nation of nearly 70 million people)?
It is so, so sad - almost hopeless ...
 

Everything staged from beginning to end to make sure the Junta stays in power.
Dissolution of Thai Raksa party, amending the Constitution and implement a fake senate.
And no protest of the masses that they have been cheated through and through.
The party (PTP) with the majority of votes can't nominate a PM.
A sad and hopeless time for Thailand has begun.

[Sunderland]

As loathsome as Thai politicians are, local voters have to to take their share of the blame for Thailand's woes, too. They have been just as greedy in taking handouts of money over the years and it's too much effort for people to take a real interest in what is promised, discussed or lied about. So many lies that could and should have been picked up on and made into big media stories, but Thai media outlets have rarely followed up on stories in great detail, even before the junta was in power.

Edited May 28, 2019 by Sunderland

[baboon]

16 hours ago, Thailand said:

The junta have lied cheated and bought their way to retain power.

 

It does not matter what PTP, FP and allies do, a sad day for Thailand.

Nothing wrong with your post, but you did exclude 'Threatened', 'Manhandled', 'Trying dissenters in military courts' and 'Jailing them' on their way to retaining power.

Does anyone else remember the way they treat their dissidents? Here's a reminder:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/12037592/Thai-junta-detains-student-activists-amid-deepening-corruption-scandal.html

Putting suits on the junta changes nothing. They are wicked to the core.