Two women injured in UK homophobic attack 'for refusing to kiss'

[RJRS1301]

I do not see the term “toxic masculinity” as having a skin colour or ethnicity.

I see it as behaviour by males which dominates others and can cause harm to society including males.

Perhaps I need to use the term Hegemonic masculinity, if others see it as a Caucasian issue only.

 

There is no escaping that this attack was committed males, as are the majority of physical assaults.

I use Majority deliberately 

Edited June 9, 2019 by RJRS1301

[RJRS1301]

1 minute ago, simple1 said:

You must be well aware the trump administration has endeavoured to put in-place ant gay and 'others' policies. No surprise those who are centre right / left / far left etc are calling out the trump admin, right wing populists and so on.

Let’s leave the Orange narcissist out of this, his LGBTI record is appalling, but I doubt these males give a rats about politics of any type

[thaibeachlovers]

22 hours ago, possum1931 said:

Reasonable force?? If I caught someone breaking into my house, I would attack him with everything I had and would make sure he was not able to use any weapon he may have, a knife, gun.

If he is unconscious or dead, he would not be able to use them, reasonable force?? aye right.

Applies only in your place of residence and only if one can convince the judge that one was in fear for one's life.

Of course I agree with you, but I'm not PC.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

8 hours ago, jspill said:

They are terms almost exclusively used when discussing whites. Toxic masculinity was coined by a white progressive in the 80s in the wake of the women's liberation movement to criticize 'institutions designed for men, such as sporting clubs and boys’ schools, that define a strongly-marked, even exaggerated, masculinity in their organizational culture'. And fascism, of course, originated in white countries. 

 

Using those terms doesn't bring non whites to the mind in the reader, it implies whites as heavily as possible without directly saying it. That after 'austerity, pro leave propaganda and Tory rule'. If you don't see how that paragraph heavily implies blame on white men, particularly straight white conservative males, there's no helping you. Using a incident where the perpetrators are unknown to do this is anti-white.

 

Same story with the Covington kids, which was held up as an example of toxic masculinity (and MAGA hat wearers as fascist) - https://longreads.com/2019/01/25/origins-of-toxic-masculinity/ Quietly memory holed once that whole incident was debunked after all the facts came out. 

 

The famous Gillette ad was also held up as an example of toxic masculinity, in which all almost of the bullies are white males and compassionate men who stop them are depicted by minorities.

 

But fine if you reject that, another example then.

 

The UK Gay police association were found guilty of making false claims that Christians were responsible for a sharp rise in 'hate crime' attacks on homosexuals. They produced an ad using images of blood and the Bible as the background to claims of a 74 per cent increase in attacks. The Advertising Standards Authority said the GPA failed to back-up its figures and unfairly implied that Christians are driven by religious motives to hate and abuse homosexuals. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/gay-police-association-banned-from-using-christian-hate-crime-advert-7176705.html

 

Again, implying whites as heavily as possible without directly saying it, as most UK Christians are white.

You’ve not helped your argument one jot.

 

You’ve just dug the hole you’re in deeper

[stevenl]

8 hours ago, jspill said:

They are terms almost exclusively used when discussing whites. Toxic masculinity was coined by a white progressive in the 80s in the wake of the women's liberation movement to criticize 'institutions designed for men, such as sporting clubs and boys’ schools, that define a strongly-marked, even exaggerated, masculinity in their organizational culture'. And fascism, of course, originated in white countries. 

 

Using those terms doesn't bring non whites to the mind in the reader, it implies whites as heavily as possible without directly saying it. That after 'austerity, pro leave propaganda and Tory rule'. If you don't see how that paragraph heavily implies blame on white men, particularly straight white conservative males, there's no helping you. Using a incident where the perpetrators are unknown to do this is anti-white.

 

Same story with the Covington kids, which was held up as an example of toxic masculinity (and MAGA hat wearers as fascist) - https://longreads.com/2019/01/25/origins-of-toxic-masculinity/ Quietly memory holed once that whole incident was debunked after all the facts came out. 

 

The famous Gillette ad was also held up as an example of toxic masculinity, in which all almost of the bullies are white males and compassionate men who stop them are depicted by minorities.

 

But fine if you reject that, another example then.

 

The UK Gay police association were found guilty of making false claims that Christians were responsible for a sharp rise in 'hate crime' attacks on homosexuals. They produced an ad using images of blood and the Bible as the background to claims of a 74 per cent increase in attacks. The Advertising Standards Authority said the GPA failed to back-up its figures and unfairly implied that Christians are driven by religious motives to hate and abuse homosexuals. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/gay-police-association-banned-from-using-christian-hate-crime-advert-7176705.html

 

Again, implying whites as heavily as possible without directly saying it, as most UK Christians are white.

 

8 hours ago, jspill said:

Is support for the death penalty for homosexuality the same everywhere? Is rape of women committed at the same rates on different continents? No. Saying 'it happens everywhere' is a deflection from higher rates of male violence in certain ethnicities, religions and cultures.

 

P.S. Also forgot to mention Jussie Smollett of course. We've seen lately the tendency for the media to manufacture hate crime hoaxes that vilify whites, because whites aren't committing them enough on their own. Smollett was a media-connected gay celebrity, who accused white conservative males of a homophobic and racist attack. Full support of the anti-white media before any suspects were even apprehended. Later revealed to be a complete fabrication, and he escapes any charges.

With the way world demographics are developing your problems will get bigger and bigger.

[Chomper Higgot]

8 hours ago, jspill said:

Is support for the death penalty for homosexuality the same everywhere? Is rape of women committed at the same rates on different continents? No. Saying 'it happens everywhere' is a deflection from higher rates of male violence in certain ethnicities, religions and cultures.

 

P.S. Also forgot to mention Jussie Smollett of course. We've seen lately the tendency for the media to manufacture hate crime hoaxes that vilify whites, because whites aren't committing them enough on their own. Smollett was a media-connected gay celebrity, who accused white conservative males of a homophobic and racist attack. Full support of the anti-white media before any suspects were even apprehended. Later revealed to be a complete fabrication, and he escapes any charges.

Like I say, deflection.

 

Look it’s worse over there, so let’s not look at what’s happening in the UK (where the subject attack took place).

 

In the UK an average of 2 women per week are murdered by male partners/ex partners:

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/compendium/focusonviolentcrimeandsexualoffences/yearendingmarch2015/chapter2homicide#summary

 

 

Edited June 10, 2019 by Chomper Higgot

[RJRS1301]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Applies only in your place of residence and only if one can convince the judge that one was in fear for one's life.

Of course I agree with you, but I'm not PC.

 

There was recently a case of a bloke died in Australia during a home invasion, ( the perpetrator), the home owner was charged with manslaughter and I think still awaiting trial.

 

One explanation I was given by a senior counsel was that  if my home is invaded by a knife wielding person and I used a blunt instrument to defend myself and the person was seriously injured or died , it could be claimed I used reasonable force, and would not be held responsible, but the case would still go to DPP for opinion, and possible prosecution. 

How ever should you go armed in public, that is an entirely different matter, depending on the state country rules you reside in

[bert bloggs]

15 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

Yes that is true, but the number of attacks on same sex attracted people in some South American countries, including Brazil have increased in recent years. Attacks on and LGBTI hate crimes have increased by 17% in the past few years, s in the USA, Those are the reported crimes. Disappearances in Russia, Ukraine and Chechen cities reported

 

Despite what some posters will say ,i do not care one iota if someone is gay ,wants to be a woman /or a man or cant make up their mind ,so changes day by day ,but i am sick to the back teeth of having it pushed down my throat at every bloody opertunity , do what you want but stop shouting about it ,marching about it ,waving flags about it and on every bloomin tv show i seem to watch these days they are pushing diversity , just get on with your life in bloody private .

sorry about the rant .

ps i spent my time in London in the late 60s and 70s going to gay clubs ,straight clubs , the roundhouse ,and mixing with actors ,pop singers and other "diverse" people ,but they did not keep shouting from the rooftops that "they dont mind being seen as queer"

Edited June 10, 2019 by bert bloggs

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, bert bloggs said:

Despite what some posters will say ,i do not care one iota if someone is gay ,wants to be a woman /or a man or cant make up their mind ,so changes day by day ,but i am sick to the back teeth of having it pushed down my throat at every bloody opertunity , do what you want but stop shouting about it ,marching about it ,waving flags about it and on every bloomin tv show i seem to watch these days they are pushing diversity , just get on with your life in bloody private .

sorry about the rant .

‘I’m as woke as the next guy......,but..!’

[Rimmer]

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[bert bloggs]

12 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

‘I’m as woke as the next guy......,but..!’

Keep on trying ,

[RJRS1301]

2 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

Despite what some posters will say ,i do not care one iota if someone is gay ,wants to be a woman /or a man or cant make up their mind ,so changes day by day ,but i am sick to the back teeth of having it pushed down my throat at every bloody opertunity , do what you want but stop shouting about it ,marching about it ,waving flags about it and on every bloomin tv show i seem to watch these days they are pushing diversity , just get on with your life in bloody private .

sorry about the rant .

Oh. very accepting, flagrant heteronormative behaviours everywhere.

Years of institutionalised violence, bullying, murder but , not in my back yard. 

 

 

[RJRS1301]

9 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Thereis no evidence Muslims carried out this attack. Even if there are Muslim heritage sounds as though the attackers are just criminals, not religious motivation. 

 

Plenty of gays have been attacked / murdered in "Christian' countries by non Muslims. e.g.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LGBT_people_in_the_United_Kingdom

 

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/jun/27/twenty-seven-sydney-men-were-probably-murdered-because-they-were-gay-police-say

 

You those interested link below a graphic for countries with death penalty for gay sex; total 10.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/13/here-are-the-10-countries-where-homosexuality-may-be-punished-by-death-2/?utm_term=.26dcbd857aba

72 countries where it carries possible prison sentences

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/27/gay-relationships-still-criminalised-countries-report

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, RJRS1301 said:

There was recently a case of a bloke died in Australia during a home invasion, ( the perpetrator), the home owner was charged with manslaughter and I think still awaiting trial.

 

One explanation I was given by a senior counsel was that  if my home is invaded by a knife wielding person and I used a blunt instrument to defend myself and the person was seriously injured or died , it could be claimed I used reasonable force, and would not be held responsible, but the case would still go to DPP for opinion, and possible prosecution. 

How ever should you go armed in public, that is an entirely different matter, depending on the state country rules you reside in

Yeah, the PC lunatics have taken over the asylum for sure.

[Rimmer]

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[jak2002003]

19 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Tell me an ethnicity, religion or culture that does not have a disgusting record and an going problem of male violence against women, and male violence against LGBT people?

 

The violence perpetrated on these women is common in all societies and is committed by men of all ethnicities.

 

Pointing at violence against women and or LGBT people by men of other  ethnicities, religion or from other cultures is nothing more than a deflection from male violence in all ethnicities, religions and cultures.

 

The common factor across the lot is violent men.

Buddhism 

Wiccans,

Voodooism

Epicureanism, (seen as perfectly normal in ancient Greece). 

Hinduism 

Most of the ancient 'pagan' religion and spiritual worshipping religions.

 

Really, it is the Abrahamic religions (which are all basically versions of the same thing) that have the most problem with women / homosexuality and transsexuality.  

6 hours ago, bert bloggs said:

,but i am sick to the back teeth of having it pushed down my throat at every bloody opertunity ,

You are having homosexuality pushed down your throat often?  Where are you socialising?

 

You also don't think if a person is attacked for being gay they should mention it was a factor in their attack?!  

 

You clearly DO care about if someone is gay or not... otherwise you would not be making such ignorant rants about it on this thread.  

 

 

Edited June 10, 2019 by jak2002003

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, jak2002003 said:

Buddhism 

Wiccans,

Voodooism

Epicureanism, (seen as perfectly normal in ancient Greece). 

Hinduism 

Most of the ancient 'pagan' religion and spiritual worshipping religions.

 

Really, it is the Abrahamic religions (which are all basically versions of the same thing) that have the most problem with women / homosexuality and transsexuality.  

 

I wasn't expecting such a glaring display of naivety, but thanks anyway for trying. 

Edited June 10, 2019 by Chomper Higgot

[jak2002003]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I wasn't expecting such a glaring display of naivety, but thanks anyway for trying. 

?  You did ask a question about which religions did not have an appalling record of violence and hatred against homosexuals right?  I just gave you an answer.      

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, jak2002003 said:

?  You did ask a question about which religions did not have an appalling record of violence and hatred against homosexuals right?  I just gave you an answer.      

You did and it was deliciously naive.

 

I especially like the references to ancient religions for which we have no documented evidence and the inclusion of the philosophy of Epicurus as a religion. 

[jak2002003]

13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You did and it was deliciously naive.

 

I especially like the references to ancient religions for which we have no documented evidence and the inclusion of the philosophy of Epicurus as a religion. 

OK, we have plenty of evidence of ancient religions... as many are still practiced today.. even here in Thailand the Animism and spirit worship is going strong.  This is all off topic now and we have no need for arguing about it as it's got little to do with the OP.

 

I am sure we both agree that this was a disgusting homophobic attack on 2 women, and hope the youths that did it will face some real punishment.  I am also disgusted with many poster on here with their less then hidden anti gay agenda... and even blaming the victims!  

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

8 minutes ago, jak2002003 said:

I am sure we both agree that this was a disgusting homophobic attack on 2 women, and hope the youths that did it will face some real punishment.  I am also disgusted with many poster on here with their less then hidden anti gay agenda... and even blaming the victims!  

 

 

On that I agree entirely and thank you for joining your voice against the ignorance and worse displayed by some in this thread.